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I have a few of both and tried Niten but, the Wakisazhi vastly inferior Bleed overwrites the Katana's superior Bleed, and if you are counting on HP damage via Bleed, I have found it better to use the Katana without the Wakisazhi. Watching 6 turns of 334 HP Bleed suddenly become 3 turns of 87 HP Bleed when the Waki processes and cancels/supplants the Katana's Bleed is no fun. Now, if they could both cause (separate) Bleed on the same mob at the same time, then using Niten would make more since.

Amusingly, pre-nerf wakis with no bleed - the few that exist - are better because they have no bleed. I assume that making all weapons have proce was intended to improve them; well, in case of wakis, it misfired.

It would be nice if Niten style would a) give you proficiency and (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) turn off off-hand bleed.

Or if you could have multiple instances of bleed stack.

Or if wakis were converted into Penetrated Armor... but I know where to stop with unrealistic wishes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You say that because you already have a monster.
I want a monster named after me.

Incidentally, I do think we could use 7ish new monster. 5 normal. 2 mini-bosses.
3 of the normal should be resistant to Elec.

We can use more monsters... I want to see the Forum Troll back.

Monster idea:

Vigilante

Magic attack: Expunge

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And more monsters named after regulars would be nice :> Lol.
(Somebody should probably add the player references to the wiki)

(Somebody should probably add the player references to the wiki)

I think they are there somewhere, but I'm not sure where.

And more monsters named after regulars would be nice :> Lol.

I haven't been here long enough to have a monster named after me, a king or wolf monster would be cool (preferably wolf). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

More monsters would be nice though. In higher rounds I get almost all the normal monsters per round, not much variety. When was the last time a new monster was added anyway?

Also, someone mentioned combining gear. How would that work? (Although I doubt that would be added)

They should make one for me...

Oh wai-

Also, someone mentioned combining gear. How would that work? (Although I doubt that would be added)

maybe pick a specific stat to be added to another equip? (or a part of said stat, along with a fail rate, so it'd be harder to increase the strength of a piece of equip)
increase proc durations/damage/chance by combining with an equip with the same proc
or combine multiple equipment of the same kind (same name) for a higher quality version of it (2 avg = fine, 3 fine = superior, ect)

different ways of doing it
could also add in a fee (obvious), along with certain needed materials for the process

there also needs to be a monster designed after tens

Normal attack is Bakusaiga. It does heavy bleed damage.
Magic attack is Tensaiga - resurrection of all monsters.
Spirit attack is something youkaiìsh. I already forgot what Sesshoumaru can do.

Why should Wakisazhi have bleed in the first place? If they are made to be used with a weapon that has bleed in the first place. If they had PA wouldn't that help make melee much better and more fun. Battlecaster katana + Battlecaster Wakisazhi + bleed + PA + spells. but no ET

Lewl, battlecaster katana/waka set good luck with that one buddy.

Also, those of us who aren't japfags use axes and rapiers for our DW needs.

This post has been edited by bladejtr: Oct 30 2010, 13:16

Why should Wakisazhi have bleed in the first place? If they are made to be used with a weapon that has bleed in the first place. If they had PA wouldn't that help make melee much better and more fun. Battlecaster katana + Battlecaster Wakisazhi + bleed + PA + spells. but no ET

As much as I would love PA from my Niten offhand..
It's a friggin wakizashi. Like a shorter katana. Both are mainly used for slashing.
Also the image of using the shorter sword (wakizashi) for thrusting.. is so silly.

On the contrary sir the Katana and it's smaller cousin were specifically designed to both slash and stab effectively and were commonly used for both.
You see while slashing is favored against unarmored or lightly armored foes, a well aimed stabbing blow would allow you to get around armor or deliver a more precisely targeted blow.
Not to mention that due to the structure of the rib cage a stab will be significantly more likely to fatally wound than a slash across the ribs.

All that being said, I still say go with an axe/rapier combo.

Atleast until we get dual weapon types, which daggers ought to be...

Actually I was fooled by what others were saying, but did someone actually try it and see how bleeding work on niten?
I just tried, and the off-hand bleed doesn't overwrite the katanas bleed, despite the log shows the proc:

3 6 Bleeding Wound hits Manthra for 564 damage.
3 5 Manthra misses the attack against you.
3 4 Giant Panda crits you for 145 slashing damage.
3 3 Bleeding Wound hits Fire Fox for 564 damage.
3 2 You evade the attack from Fire Fox.
3 1 You gain the effect Defending.
2 8 Bleeding Wound hits Manthra for 564 damage.
2 7 You evade the attack from Manthra.
2 6 Fire Fox gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
2 5 Your offhand hits Fire Fox for 441 slashing damage.
2 4 Manthra gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
2 3 You hit Manthra for 352 slashing damage.
2 2 You hit Giant Panda for 615 slashing damage.
2 1 You hit Fire Fox for 802 slashing damage.

Edit: Yeah, I tested with 2 katanas with different bleeding.

Edit 2: I bet cmal was laughing at us the whole time.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Oct 30 2010, 13:46

Actually I was fooled by what others were saying, but did someone actually try it and see how bleeding work on niten?
I just tried, and the off-hand bleed doesn't overwrite the katanas bleed, despite the log shows the proc:
Edit: Yeah, I tested with 2 katanas with different bleeding.

Edit 2: I bet cmal was laughing at us the whole time.

I think that example might be because your mainhand and offhand proc'd bleed at the same time, and in that case mainhand bleed wins out. (boggyb has previously noted this) Have you tested it where the offhand wakizashi procs bleed on the turn after the mainhand does?

This post has been edited by PsychoticSoul: Oct 30 2010, 14:01

On the contrary sir the Katana and it's smaller cousin were specifically designed to both slash and stab effectively and were commonly used for both.
You see while slashing is favored against unarmored or lightly armored foes, a well aimed stabbing blow would allow you to get around armor or deliver a more precisely targeted blow.
Not to mention that due to the structure of the rib cage a stab will be significantly more likely to fatally wound than a slash across the ribs.

All that being said, I still say go with an axe/rapier combo.

Atleast until we get dual weapon types, which daggers ought to be...

I know that. That's why I said they were mainly used for slashing.
But as for thrusting or stabbing, wouldn't you use the long katana instead? That was my line of thought.

As for axe/rapier.. I prefer Niten in IW. It's a lot faster.
Otherwise it's axe/rapier.

-- The clear bonus for previously cleared arenas is set to 1/10th of the bonus for the first clear, up to a maximum of 1000C.
-- The clear bonus also applies to the Ring of Blood, but you still need tokens to enter.

I noticed that the clear bonus for Konata, Mikuru, and Ryouko for beating them 2nd time and up is listed at 1000 credits. If the bonus should be 1/10th of the first clear, shouldn't it be a 2500C clear bonus?

Edit: Oops nvm... my bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by PsychoticSoul: Oct 30 2010, 14:18

I noticed that the clear bonus for Konata, Mikuru, and Ryouko for beating them 2nd time and up is listed at 1000 credits. If the bonus should be 1/10th of the first clear, shouldn't it be a 2500C clear bonus?

-- The clear bonus for previously cleared arenas is set to 1/10th of the bonus for the first clear, up to a maximum of 1000C.
-- The clear bonus also applies to the Ring of Blood, but you still need tokens to enter.

Actually I was fooled by what others were saying, but did someone actually try it and see how bleeding work on niten?
I just tried, and the off-hand bleed doesn't overwrite the katanas bleed, despite the log shows the proc:
Edit: Yeah, I tested with 2 katanas with different bleeding.

That short sample only shows the Katana re-processing Bleed. It doesn't show the Waki processing.

Trust me, I tried Niten in the Ring of Blood, and clearly saw (too) many times a 6 turn high bleed become a 3 turn low bleed.

I know that. That's why I said they were mainly used for slashing.
But as for thrusting or stabbing, wouldn't you use the long katana instead? That was my line of thought.

As for axe/rapier.. I prefer Niten in IW. It's a lot faster.
Otherwise it's axe/rapier.

Well that would depend on the situation, while the longer reach would certainly lend itself to stabbing with the katana, a block/stab maneuver could easily make the waka just as useful for stabbing purposes.

Also, I understood that you knew it was possibly, but the word mainly implies a significant majority, which just isn't the case, while slashing might be a majority use for the weapons in question it isn't so large of a margin as you might think.

Edit: As an aside:

Daggers may be differentiated from knives on the basis that daggers are intended primarily for stabbing whereas knives are usually single-edged and intended mostly for cutting. However, many knives and daggers are capable of either stabbing or cutting.

So, technically the current weapons would be knives, and daggers ought to do piercing damage.
Just saying.

This post has been edited by bladejtr: Oct 30 2010, 14:48

@ Alpha 7

The chance of that would still be slim since offhand wakizashi must proc bleed while the katana does not in the same turn.

It's just Human psyche.. the thing you don't want to see seem to appear all the time...