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The best bet would be asking him to lower the amount of PL the monster needed for it to be able to drop high-grade material. This will make it cheaper / easier for lowbie to get some high-grade and increase the % of high-grade as gift for current high PL monster. Everyone benefits.

This might work since PL 250 is rather high IMO, and it still barely bring high-grade stuff (I have 1 PL ~285 monster for a while now and I only got 1 so far... Tenb said something like ~1% at 250 I think) ... So it might sound reasonable enough to request.

Still, Tenb can always argue that high-grade are meant to be rare and you should make high PL monster more instead of whining... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Maybe if someone volunteer to be his sex slave for a week, he might feel generous enough to do it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


BTW, how much high-grade stuff you need to upgrade exquisite+ stuff anyway? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I'm scare, though, seeing that even superior stuff need high-grade mat to upgrade too, I'm afraid what the answer will be... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Jan 14 2012, 02:02

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inb4 Materials Hath perk.

This'll probably come back to bite me X(

This might work since PL 250 is rather high IMO, and it still barely bring high-grade stuff (I have 1 PL ~285 monster for a while now and I only got 1 so far... Tenb said something like ~1% at 250 I think) ... So it might sound reasonable enough to request.

I believe it's 0.10% @ PL250 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

BTW, how much high-grade stuff you need to upgrade exquisite+ stuff anyway? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I'm scare, though, seeing that even superior stuff need high-grade mat to upgrade too, I'm afraid what the answer will be... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Not 100% verified (no +50 staff upgrade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)), but from what I've seen:

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Are the data came from your own statistic / research or with some information from Tenb? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ... Just asking, since the chart is pretty darn interesting. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

The former (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Looks pretty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and helpful

in hath exchange at the moment some guy wants

1 hath for 4,294,967,295 C buyout (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Too bad thats not his starting bid (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by skillchip: Jan 14 2012, 07:17

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This looks pretty interesting. Can you elaborate what the first 3 columns are? Any idea what leads a piece to be classified in these Ranks (the first column?) I checked a whole bunch of my equipment, and everything I have falls into the Rank 0 row. That's new stuff, as well as pre 0.4.0 stuff (pre-pre-nerf... I guess.) The only thing I have that's not in the Rank 0 row is the pre-legendary staff.

This looks pretty interesting. Can you elaborate what the first 3 columns are? Any idea what leads a piece to be classified in these Ranks (the first column?) I checked a whole bunch of my equipment, and everything I have falls into the Rank 0 row. That's new stuff, as well as pre 0.4.0 stuff (pre-pre-nerf... I guess.) The only thing I have that's not in the Rank 0 row is the pre-legendary staff.

If I interpret correctly...
rank is some kind of separation among different upgrade tiers. Can be ignored.
Limit should tell you the maximum upgrade before jumping into the next upgrade tier.
Current should tell you the number of possible upgrades in a tier.
The upper line shows those with 20 upgrades, the lower line shows those with 50 upgrades.

For example, if you have a staff which already have 19 upgrades in a certain stat, it will fall into rank 2.
If you upgrade that stat 1 more time, it will reach rank 2's limit.
And for the next 8 upgrades, you'll need to refer to rank 3's data.

Hito (or anyone else), since I believe you got one of the witch with PL ~700, could you help confirm that they bring high-grade material as often as the chart suggest? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Thanks in advance! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Jan 14 2012, 08:11

If I interpret correctly...
rank is some kind of separation among different upgrade tiers. Can be ignored.
Limit should tell you the maximum upgrade before jumping into the next upgrade tier.
Current should tell you the number of possible upgrades in a tier.
The upper line shows those with 20 upgrades, the lower line shows those with 50 upgrades.

For example, if you have a staff which already have 19 upgrades in a certain stat, it will fall into rank 2.
If you upgrade that stat 1 more time, it will reach rank 2's limit.
And for the next 8 upgrades, you'll need to refer to rank 3's data.

Yikes. Well no wonder I couldn't understand it. My staff started at the Rank 3 costs for some reason. I sure hope it doesn't increase in cost beyond this chart's values at the upper levels.

Hito (or anyone else), since I believe you got one of the witch with PL ~700, could you help confirm that they bring high-grade material as often as the chart suggest? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Thanks in advance! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well that would take a long time to collect data and verify, but I can tell you it's more or less accurate. I probably get about 50% high grade from Eila, who is PL751.

but I can tell you it's more or less accurate. I probably get about 50% high grade from Eila, who is PL751.

I only want to know the crude estimate, so that would be enough. You don't have to bother collecting data or anything. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ... Anyway, Thanks.

Hmm... Interesting indeed! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Jan 14 2012, 08:50

The exact chances should be something like this:

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Power Level            Low (%)          Mid (%)           High (%)
PL < 249             (749-PL)/10      (PL+251)/10            0
249 ≤ PL < 749       (749-PL)/10          50            (PL-249)/10
749 ≤ PL < 1249          0           (1249-PL)/10       (PL-249)/10
PL ≥ 1249                0                  0               100

Yikes. Well no wonder I couldn't understand it. My staff started at the Rank 3 costs for some reason. I sure hope it doesn't increase in cost beyond this chart's values at the upper levels.
Well that would take a long time to collect data and verify, but I can tell you it's more or less accurate. I probably get about 50% high grade from Eila, who is PL751.

with a monster that is so high in level and is in every other round it seems, cant she bring you a gift just about every hour if you were to check that often?

with a monster that is so high in level and is in every other round it seems, cant she bring you a gift just about every hour if you were to check that often?

At least 4 times a day is possible but I hardly have the time to check that oft. I only do twice a day where it is at least a 99,9999% chance to get something.
It was the same when she was Pl 7xx so upgrading her another 100 levels was pretty worthless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Yikes. Well no wonder I couldn't understand it. My staff started at the Rank 3 costs for some reason. I sure hope it doesn't increase in cost beyond this chart's values at the upper levels.

Well, your staff has the quality multiplier over 1, so that would be a special case.
Of course there's some possibility that Ballistic9's data is incomplete, though I doubt that possibility.

Varst is correct~

It started at 2 Mid-Grade + 3 Hi-Grade? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Good god.

Edit: Should probably mention that the reason the table looks weird is because it's part of an upgrade cost calculator.

This post has been edited by Ballistic9: Jan 14 2012, 10:31

Tried to recalculate on that binding matter.

At upgrade level 0 it seems to be something like

Qulaity_bonus -> binidngs required (low+mid)

Below 0.5 -> 5 + 0
0.5 - 0.6 -> 4 + 1
0.6 - 0.7 -> 3 + 2
0.7 - 0.8 -> 2 + 3
0.8 - 0.85 -> 1 + 4
Above 0.85 -> 0 + 5

Note that this is only my rough estimate and may require further data-polishing.

Quoting some observations from me a few weeks ago.
The amount of graded materials required should actually depend on the quality multiplier instead of the quality suffix.

For example:
Exquisite cotton shoes of the thrice-blessed Quality~0.74
Exquisite cotton shoes of the spirit-ward Quality~0.84

Both of them are exquisite, yet for the first upgrade, the former one needs 2 low+3 mid, while the latter one needs 1 low + 4 mid

I hope this can clear some ambiguity on what quality means in Ballistic9's table.

Back to hito's staff, I think it should have quality multiplier of around 1.22 right now, so if I'm correct...
0.8 - 0.9 -> 1 + 4 + 0
0.9 - 1.0 -> 0 + 5 + 0
1.0 - 1.1 -> 0 + 4 + 1
1.1 - 1.2 -> 0 + 3 + 2
1.2 - 1.3 -> 0 + 2 + 3
Some kind of prediction, but it fits into the observations.
Anyway, we only have a handful of pre-nerf equipments with quality multiplier over 1, so that's shouldn't be a great problem. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by varst: Jan 14 2012, 10:21