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post Dec 24 2011, 19:51
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So... have melees been fucked over?
I'm not noticing any particular difference as a mage.
If anything, Spirit Mode makes things easier.
And it's basically the same thing as FFIX's Trance, now that I think about it.
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post Dec 24 2011, 19:54
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Dec 24 2011, 21:51) *

So... have melees been fucked over?
I'm not noticing any particular difference as a mage.
If anything, Spirit Mode makes things easier.
And it's basically the same thing as FFIX's Trance, now that I think about it.

Melees have been fucked over...and over...and over. With every new patch. This one is not an exception. Looks like Rainboro have a soft spot for mages. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

P.S.: special thanks for no HP/MP restore after arenas, that's just fuckin' great... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

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post Dec 24 2011, 20:23
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Tried to recalculate on that binding matter.

At upgrade level 0 it seems to be something like

Qulaity_bonus -> binidngs required (low+mid)

Below 0.5 -> 5 + 0
0.5 - 0.6 -> 4 + 1
0.6 - 0.7 -> 3 + 2
0.7 - 0.8 -> 2 + 3
0.8 - 0.85 -> 1 + 4
Above 0.85 -> 0 + 5

Note that this is only my rough estimate and may require further data-polishing.
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post Dec 24 2011, 20:28
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You guys must be doing it wrong. I have no problems meleeing. It is slower than before but not by that much if you use the correct set-up.
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post Dec 24 2011, 21:04
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QUOTE(Sushilicious @ Dec 24 2011, 05:59) *

Mid Grade Mat's certainly the bottleneck to getting anything decently high. I'm surprised Low-Grades aren't getting more action in the forging process. I got a fuckton of L-G's that I don't even know what to do with.

Well my staff requires 3 high grade and 2 mid grade per upgrade, so mid grade is not necessarily a bottleneck depending on what you upgrade and how easily you can obtain the two materials.
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post Dec 24 2011, 21:06
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Man, I just realized now I can't even farm for spell proficiencies anymore without having to spend potions/tokens after the arena. I suppose it's a good thing I did most of it during the last month...
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post Dec 24 2011, 21:20
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You guys must be doing it wrong. I have no problems meleeing. It is slower than before but not by that much if you use the correct set-up.


You can melee even before Tenb begin to buff them with the correct set-up, too. But the fact remains that it still sucks...

QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Dec 25 2011, 00:54) *

Melees have been fucked over...and over...and over. With every new patch. This one is not an exception. Looks like Rainboro have a soft spot for mages. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


IMO, this is the first patch ever that absolutely nerfed melee since Tenb began to buff them about a year ago. ... Yes, there was a patch that reduce stun dmg bonus, but it was too OP and after the nerfed, you still get a dmg bonus anyway so it still a plus for melee as a whole.

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post Dec 24 2011, 21:35
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QUOTE(Sushilicious @ Dec 24 2011, 19:28) *

You guys must be doing it wrong. I have no problems meleeing. It is slower than before but not by that much if you use the correct set-up.

Let me guess. Evade Shade and a Banshee Mace?
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post Dec 24 2011, 21:40
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Hmmm, looks like I came back just in time for The Forge. Let's see what's up with that. I will cry about what Tenboro did to melee later. =_=

Edit: Still no way to use the extra chaos tokens huh?

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post Dec 24 2011, 22:05
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/edit: reposting in Forge thread

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post Dec 24 2011, 22:31
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Do I even want to upgrade this?
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post Dec 24 2011, 22:36
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damn that *is* tough... honestly though, i wouldn't up it.
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post Dec 24 2011, 22:40
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QUOTE(derpymal @ Dec 24 2011, 21:31) *

Do I even want to upgrade this?

Nah. Not Ethereal.
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post Dec 24 2011, 22:55
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well to be fair. if the forging applies after everything else, the magni makes that mace a pretty nice candidate... but yeah... non eth... and it's not like slaughter bindings fall from the sky =\
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post Dec 24 2011, 23:02
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Concussive Strike damages Smaug for 904 crushing damage.

Lol, this skill blows.
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post Dec 24 2011, 23:32
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The only thing I have worth upgrading is this, but I'd rather wait for a max Robe or Pants.
Or a Legendary Destruction, I'm not too picky.
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post Dec 24 2011, 23:36
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Yeah I'm just going to wait for robes. 50k phazons are on the line here!!

e: might have to start throwing noodles at snowflake and hope for some LEGENDARY phase robes. probably just get shitton of exq cottons instead tho

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post Dec 25 2011, 00:25
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Dec 24 2011, 13:04) *

Well my staff requires 3 high grade and 2 mid grade per upgrade, so mid grade is not necessarily a bottleneck depending on what you upgrade and how easily you can obtain the two materials.

Considering your staff is only +3, those high grade costs seem pretty ridiculous. Not sure if want.

QUOTE(Ichy @ Dec 24 2011, 13:35) *

Let me guess. Evade Shade and a Banshee Mace?

Nah, I obliterate everything without a mace. Maces = slow. Speaking of which, here's a tip to all the aspiring melee-ers. What type of weapon doesn't get affected by damage bonuses, ignores enemy defense, and isn't affected by stamina statuses, Spirit Mode, or the obsolete OC?
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post Dec 25 2011, 00:33
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post Dec 25 2011, 01:00
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QUOTE(Sushilicious @ Dec 24 2011, 16:25) *

Considering your staff is only +3, those high grade costs seem pretty ridiculous. Not sure if want.

Actually, the problem is I only have 5 monsters and never bothered to acquire bindings of destruction. I only had 3. Also have almost no phazons either, not that I have anything worth using them on. I still have dozens of high grade wood, despite not collecting materials for almost 2 months.

And Spirit Beast Mode is making mage pretty OP against legendaries on BT DwD. It makes maging a reasonable alternative to bleeding everything. ~35 turns to kill per activation. This will go pretty fast after all.

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