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Nov 15 2010, 06:12
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grumpymal
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I'm just going through my crap and auctioning off whatever looks like people would buy. Once or twice a week, I'll post something new. Apparently, [Auction] means IT MUST BE GOOD. If it doesn't sell, its getting fed to the Bazaar and I still make money.
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Nov 15 2010, 06:16
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Honeycat
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Nov 14 2010, 19:43)  There there now. *pats tens head*
Oh, my big Axe of the Ox, I'd rather have you stroke my head if you know what I mean and I think you do~(he totally wants me)
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Nov 15 2010, 18:33
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Conquest101
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Ok, I'm starting to build up way too much stuff to level again. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I wonder how much it'd cost me per level to outsource the leveling now. I wonder if it'd be wise to outsource my pre-nerf stuff.
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Nov 15 2010, 19:16
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bladejtr
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So, does anyone actually use stun procs, they seem pretty useless...
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Nov 15 2010, 19:21
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Red of EHCOVE
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I killed Konata with 2 stun clubs (20% 2 and 15% 2), but that was before I really knew better (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Hopefully Ten will fix stun somehow, because currently there is little reason to use it. Although if I get 2 25% 3 turns clubs, maybe I will test this strat again.. This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: Nov 15 2010, 19:22
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Nov 15 2010, 19:51
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bladejtr
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Only thing that would fix it is significantly higher durations or proc chances, even then I dunno, because it doesn't help kill them faster, it just slows the damage you take.
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Nov 15 2010, 20:17
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Ichy
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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Since EoD is coming soon I put on my Robe and my Wizard hat.And this pair of Second Hand Pants.For raping schoolgirls EoD the only stats I want are evade and divine prof? I started looking for mage stuff today and this 3 pieces popped out of the shrine. I personally think the pants are Bazaar food... but I know shit about mageing. And the most important question: How do I play mage? AoE nuke everything then hit the Legendary with my stick? I Need a staff too! Nice Ether theft prof, Magic damage and divine prof are the only important stats for that arena?
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Nov 15 2010, 20:19
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Hairs Fan
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QUOTE(bladejtr @ Nov 15 2010, 18:51)  [...] it just slows the damage you take.
Which is useful, no ? Especially when you can stun multiple monsters in one hit thanks to domino strike. Also, I believe having less monsters being able to hit you the next turn make it easier to decide which monster to hit this turn. Somehow, it's a proc for lazy people (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 15 2010, 20:32
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bladejtr
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QUOTE(Hairs' Fan @ Nov 15 2010, 13:19)  Which is useful, no ? Especially when you can stun multiple monsters in one hit thanks to domino strike. Also, I believe having less monsters being able to hit you the next turn make it easier to decide which monster to hit this turn. Somehow, it's a proc for lazy people (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Uhh, or use a proc that kills them faster, then they're dead, which is better than stunned...
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Nov 15 2010, 20:39
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hitokiri84
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Stun sucks. You won't find anyone above level 200 using a club or mace.
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Nov 15 2010, 20:43
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Nov 15 2010, 10:17)  Since EoD is coming soon I put on my Robe and my Wizard hat.And this pair of Second Hand Pants.For raping schoolgirls EoD the only stats I want are evade and divine prof? I started looking for mage stuff today and this 3 pieces popped out of the shrine. I personally think the pants are Bazaar food... but I know shit about mageing. And the most important question: How do I play mage? AoE nuke everything then hit the Legendary with my stick? I Need a staff too! Nice Ether theft prof, Magic damage and divine prof are the only important stats for that arena? The cap is more likely bazaar food. I don't know what kind of equipment you have though. The pants are actually a pretty decent pair of Fox pants. As far as dealing with the legendary rounds, I can kill all the extraneous monsters with Banish anyways, so that's all I use. If your Banish isn't that strong (or you don't have much in the way of Heaven-sent gear) you could open with a meteor or something. You'll have to play around with that yourself. As far as killing the legendaries go. If you want to be cheap (minimal item usage), proc CM with magic missle, proc ether theft -> cast banish. Renew buffs with channeling or hit with more banish as needed. Rinse and repeat. If your mana gets low, Konata is the best target to use to replenish for obvious reasons. If you're going for speed just keep casting banish, procing ET only when CM happens to catch. I do it the latter way usually and can clear EoD in like <30 minutes now, though I have to burn a number of mana elixirs. Use weaken/bewilder/etc. as necessary depending on if regen can keep up properly. Damage rate > evade > everything else
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Nov 15 2010, 20:46
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Conquest101
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Also, you could theoretically use demon-fiend gear, now that it's slightly more readily available and clear it using Forbidden spells. I wonder if that'd actually be faster. It'd probably be less mana efficient though. I should test that.
This post has been edited by Conquest101: Nov 15 2010, 20:46
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Nov 15 2010, 22:13
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Ichy
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Nov 15 2010, 21:43)  The cap is more likely bazaar food. I don't know what kind of equipment you have though. The pants are actually a pretty decent pair of Fox pants.
As far as dealing with the legendary rounds, I can kill all the extraneous monsters with Banish anyways, so that's all I use. If your Banish isn't that strong (or you don't have much in the way of Heaven-sent gear) you could open with a meteor or something. You'll have to play around with that yourself.
As far as killing the legendaries go. If you want to be cheap (minimal item usage), proc CM with magic missle, proc ether theft -> cast banish. Renew buffs with channeling or hit with more banish as needed. Rinse and repeat. If your mana gets low, Konata is the best target to use to replenish for obvious reasons. If you're going for speed just keep casting banish, procing ET only when CM happens to catch. I do it the latter way usually and can clear EoD in like <30 minutes now, though I have to burn a number of mana elixirs.
Use weaken/bewilder/etc. as necessary depending on if regen can keep up properly.
Damage rate > evade > everything else
Thats all mage gear I currently have. Im planning to find better gear while looking for upgrade for my evade gear. My Banish will be very weak (my divine prof is 0 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) but this will level up given some time. If it is not TOO boring it will become a daily arena. I think the cheap method will be better for now. My equipment will be not that great ... maybe I get lucky and find some more acceptable Heaven Sent gears. I also have to get the spells first which will take some time...
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Nov 15 2010, 22:29
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Hairs' Fan @ Nov 15 2010, 18:19)  Which is useful, no ? Especially when you can stun multiple monsters in one hit thanks to domino strike. Also, I believe having less monsters being able to hit you the next turn make it easier to decide which monster to hit this turn. Somehow, it's a proc for lazy people (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Nope because you need more turns to kill monsters, and that means more recasts of Deprecating/Supportive and regen spells, so you lost more MP. About the lazy part, killing faster is more lazier. QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Nov 15 2010, 18:39)  Stun sucks. You won't find anyone above level 200 using a club or mace.
Agreed with the first part. About the second: QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 10 2010, 23:26)  I lost EoD, I'm so pissed (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Fighting style: Club+ sword chucks Round 122 MP:1376/1416 No items usedGot only 6 trophies (46 legendaries beaten) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) My biggest enemy? Distraction, like you see just below, how I miserable forgot to cast silence: Being able to beat EoD without staff or infusions/scrolls, possible without any items (That depends on getting Konata in the last round), it's only possible with a club at level 220.
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Nov 15 2010, 22:34
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Ichy
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 15 2010, 23:29)  Nope because you need more turns to kill monsters, and that means more recasts of Deprecating/Supportive and regen spells, so you lost more MP. About the lazy part, killing faster is more lazier. Agreed with the first part. About the second: Being able to beat EoD without staff or infusions/scrolls, possible without any items (That depends on getting Konata in the last round), it's only possible with a club at level 220.
God what? Stunlock, Silence and bleed only? This will take forever (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Nov 15 2010, 22:43
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Nov 15 2010, 20:34)  God what? Stunlock, Silence and bleed only? This will take forever (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Lol yes, that's why I won't do it again. But if in the future stun is capped to 4 turns, oh yes I'll do it again. Heartseeker instead of silence, and hit,hit,hit (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Nov 15 2010, 22:44
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 15 2010, 14:29)  Nope because you need more turns to kill monsters, and that means more recasts of Deprecating/Supportive and regen spells, so you lost more MP. About the lazy part, killing faster is more lazier. Agreed with the first part. About the second: Being able to beat EoD without staff or infusions/scrolls, possible without any items (That depends on getting Konata in the last round), it's only possible with a club at level 220.
Horrible strategy. Why would you use stun and bleed when you can beat it in 45 minutes with a staff?
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Nov 15 2010, 22:53
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Ichy
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Wouldn't it be faster with club/rapier and use silence/poison/spirit? Or maybe with DW clubs you could AoE nuke the mobs then put something on the attack button and check back later (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Nov 15 2010, 23:05
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Nov 15 2010, 20:44)  Horrible strategy. Why would you use stun and bleed when you can beat it in 45 minutes with a staff?
Lol and I beat it later with a staff. The reason was because no one beaten EoD without a staff, except cmal, but he only did at +250 levels with the 250 level tier. The same way you beat the new challenges first, I wanted to be the first to do it. QUOTE(Ichy @ Nov 15 2010, 20:53)  Wouldn't it be faster with club/rapier and use silence/poison/spirit?
No because you'll be dead. The reason of the sword chucks is to give me crits, because crits always proc. In theory the legendary would be stunned 100% time, but that's not what happens, I still get rolls of 7 enemy turns without proc'ing stun. With the extra 18% crit from HS, the worse roll is 4 enemy turns, pff maybe every 300 turns? Anyway the ideal is 100% stunned, and I think it's possible because my club and sword-chucks aren't that great in terms of crit bonus, I could easily get another 5% more crit.
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Nov 15 2010, 23:41
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Nov 15 2010, 15:05)  Lol and I beat it later with a staff. The reason was because no one beaten EoD without a staff, except cmal, but he only did at +250 levels with the 250 level tier. The same way you beat the new challenges first, I wanted to be the first to do it. 250 level tieri.e. the Lifestream bug, which is gone now.
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