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I'm actually earning more money from dropped credits and selling junk equipment on Normal difficulty, compared to Hard and above. I've been trying out Hard, Nightmare, and Hell, and while the increased EXP is welcome, the mobs don't seem to drop as many credits and equipment.

Already mentioned, but the problem is that they can force the price down and pressure people into selling at lower prices (to them).

1: They start off putting a ton of Buy Orders at low prices.
2: They then place tens of thousands of sell orders at a higher price.
3: People see that to get their item sold on the Sell Order, they would either have to undercut the 40k+ sell orders for a lower price and wait for the item to sell, or they have to sell to the crappy Buy Order price.

You can see it play out here (Guess who is selling most of those items at 2520 and constantly altering their prices):

Why is this a problem? Because low level players don't have many ways to make money and are desperate for gear to clear arenas in a reasonable amount of time. I know many people that take 40+ minutes to do DWD, it is not fun to do this daily and can greatly increase the burn out of players. People that are desperate for better gear are thus pressured to sell for crap prices to afford better gear. This is a predatory tactic, because players (Especially those without stars) earn very little money without trophy selling and really have no alternative due to the other money making methods requiring specialized hath perks. As I mentioned before too, I think a lot of players straight up don't know that Sell Orders merge at the same price, you'll often see people undercut eachother to sell like a dozen or less items, which doesn't help.

Rich folks or those that are already strong and can clear things quick enough to not be an obnoxious chore every day can afford to wait and just not sell their trophies at low prices, newer players don't have that same luxury. I recently passed that milestone and am at the point where I can afford to wait now that my DWD runs are under 25 minutes. If I got stuck at 40+ minutes like when I first started, I probably would have quit by now. I won't forget how much it sucked just because it's not a problem for me anymore, lol.

Basically TLDR: People controlling the trophy market can control the price and basically guarantee profits because the people they're preying on are desperate and have no other options due to the lack of income methods of the game. New players and those with outdated gear (Level 200-350ish and returning players without stars are most impacted) are pressured to upgrade gear to not burn out and quit. It's not reselling itself that's the problem, it's people controlling a market filled with vulnerable people that don't have other options to make money if they want to be able to actually play the game without it sucking.

PS: There are even times when reselling can be beneficial, like buying up gear on a temporary auction and reselling it in a permanent location. In this case, people can put a minimum price on their gear to avoid this if they want, there are ways to counter resellers. This is a balanced/fair system. Trophy reselling, not so much, lol.

Yeah but how is that a problem? If prices are forced down across the board, that means that you're able to buy more items for the relatively less money you get from selling.

Really this whole complaint just reeks of jealousy. I suspect you'd like to be one of these people gaming the market, but the people with giant established stockpiles already rule the market, making it difficult for new people to enter the market as a speculator.
For a regular player not interested in gaming the market the effect is negligible. Hell, it's probably beneficial as so many things are cheap to buy for upgrading gear etc.

I haven't paid a cent, not hosted H@H, spent minimal time trading, yet have unlocked all the relevant hath perks and have upgraded magnificient/legendary/peerless gear in all slots with millions upon millions of credits sunk into the character upgrades, and can clear DWD on PFUDOR with ease despite only starting to play HV like 2 years ago and playing very off-and-on. The few hath perks I wanted I unlocked in a matter of months. I can download even the largest galleries without ever worrying about GP. New players are not "desperate for gear".
Why do you need to clear DWD in 25 minutes instead of 40? Who's requiring you to do it daily? What purpose does that serve, except jealousy of other people able to do so?

the main problem with his reasoning is that it is based on a bullshit statement "pressured to sell for crap prices". if 2520 is a crap price, then where does 40k stock come from, they would all be sold out. or by "pressure of crap prices" he means 20c undercut to sell out of main stock? it's incredible 20k loss per 1k of trophies

I'm actually earning more money from dropped credits and selling junk equipment on Normal difficulty, compared to Hard and above. I've been trying out Hard, Nightmare, and Hell, and while the increased EXP is welcome, the mobs don't seem to drop as many credits and equipment.

dude, sorry for bad news, but drop difference is astronomical
on difficulties below hell, legendaries basically can't drop

This post has been edited by ikki.: Nov 8 2024, 16:33

Yeah but how is that a problem? If prices are forced down across the board, that means that you're able to buy more items for the relatively less money you get from selling.

Buying items on the market isn't the only use for credits. Training costs credits, hath perks can cost credits, catalysts cost credits. For somebody who has apparently played for years, you sure don't seem to understand the value of credits.

I haven't paid a cent, not hosted H@H, spent minimal time trading, yet have unlocked all the relevant hath perks and have upgraded magnificient/legendary/peerless gear in all slots with millions upon millions of credits sunk into the character upgrades, and can clear DWD on PFUDOR with ease despite only starting to play HV like 2 years ago and playing very off-and-on. The few hath perks I wanted I unlocked in a matter of months. I can download even the largest galleries without ever worrying about GP.

Oh, you're in the "It doesn't affect me, so fuck everybody else" crowd, lol. You should start with that. Playing for years unsurprisingly bypasses the issue that I mentioned mostly impacts new and returning players, what a shocker.

New players are not "desperate for gear".

I hang out in Ask the Experts a lot, and I've seen a lot of people struggle with their long clear times due to outdated/poor gear. So that's where my perspective comes from.

Why do you need to clear DWD in 25 minutes instead of 40? Who's requiring you to do it daily? What purpose does that serve, except jealousy of other people able to do so?

Props for making me question your sanity at this point though. I don't even know where to start with this, lol. "Why even play the game?", "Why live?" Wtf are you on. haha. It's a game, people want to advance/improve in it. If the game is more of a chore than a game, it increases the chance people leave. Getting stuck with slow clear speeds for whatever reason will scare off some players, not great if you'd like the game to you know, not die. I didn't think that could possibly be a difficult concept for anybody to understand, but wow, here you are.

Really this whole complaint just reeks of jealousy. I suspect you'd like to be one of these people gaming the market, but the people with giant established stockpiles already rule the market, making it difficult for new people to enter the market as a speculator.
For a regular player not interested in gaming the market the effect is negligible. Hell, it's probably beneficial as so many things are cheap to buy for upgrading gear etc.

This some projection or something? Already mentioned I'm not impacted by the market issues. I was going to make a joke about how I'm only jealous of X kind of people in the game, but I can't even come up with anything even as a joke, rip. Like, I want a gold star but I'm not jealous of people who have them, it's just a goal for me to reach. Once I reach it, I'd either lose the desire to play or have to come up with new goals. Wtf is there to be jealous of in this game? If there was some limited time thing that only old players had that was awesome, maybe that'd bother me, but there's really nothing like that here. You get items/hath perks/gear sooner for messing with the market, then what do you do? I don't have some compulsion to amass text money, it's not why I'm here. I'm interested in the journey to the destination, not the destination itself, lmao. If I had everything I wanted in this game, I'd quit. Not really an endgame here. Surprised anybody sticks around at that point, I think the only thing I might still be interested in is trying to give back to the community at that point, but the forums are kind of dead (So dead that people bring up conversations from a week or more ago like they just happened (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)).

This post has been edited by FruitSmoothie: Nov 8 2024, 20:03

Didn't realise I was missing the reselling drama. The usual people that don't live in the real world think it's some kind of issue?

Didn't realise I was missing the reselling drama. The usual people that don't live in the real world think it's some kind of issue?

Whole thing started specifically about trophies, and a bunch of people thought it was about reselling as a whole. This is what happens when people don't read before they get defensive lol. Hey, at least there's some discussion happening here. I just wish people would you know, read and try to comprehend what is being talked about before posting. Everybody's gotta throw in their 2 cents, even if they don't add anything new to the conversation eh?

This post has been edited by FruitSmoothie: Nov 8 2024, 19:40

Whole thing started specifically about trophies, and a bunch of people thought it was about reselling as a whole. This is what happens when people don't read before they get defensive lol. Hey, at least there's some discussion happening here. I just wish people would you know, read and try to comprehend what is being talked about before posting. Everybody's gotta throw in their 2 cents, even if they don't add anything new to the conversation eh?

my 2 cents: enough has been said on this subject. Let's end this discussion (and I mean: don't be surprised if it becomes virtually impossible to continue this discussion here). The concern has been raised with tenboro before. As a result, he introduced minimal bid increments. It's unlikely that more measures will be taken.

It's unlikely that more measures will be taken.

To say the least. People acting as market makers is working as intended and will not be discouraged.

i have better question, about isekai auction
where did you get it all that legendaries?
all i got this season: a couple of mag leather, a couple of mag plate, two mag phase, one mag cotton, one mag shade. and mag club from shrine.

upd
i also like dudes who bet on 5+ one-handed weapons at the same time
ok, one in each hand, the third in the ass, but where do you put the rest?

This post has been edited by ikki.: Nov 8 2024, 22:15

I also noticed some people had a large amount of legendaries, but I didn't think too much of it. Some cases were explained as could have built up over a "long time" (if the level spread is a lot). Other cases, maybe just luck? Or maybe they have some method of playing.

Maybe they drain their stamina and play more grindfest and item worlds than other players? Someone playing at normal stamina would get 1.5x or more legendaries than me.

Anyway, no more early bird and my isekai equipment isn't that great this season, either. Oh well. I wasn't able to fully take advantage of early bird as much as I wanted, because my real life schedule was too busy in the final two days (which are the most critical since that is probably when you are strong enough to play the most and drop legendaries).

You could put weapons in your mouth and feet, that's 5 weapons, and 6 weapons from the ass. Maybe you can also stick a 7th one into your pants to protrude out from the front.

If you are a girl you have 2 holes that you can put another weapon inside.

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Stamina

Oh, maybe my isekai approach has been suboptimal. Maybe you aren't supposed to do any grindfests (I usually do them the first day only). Losing that 1 stamina for entering is too much.

Maybe what you should do is collect and treasure your crappiest Crude and Fair weapons, and do PFUDOR item world on them all for no reason. The rounds should be low and you could clear them over and over, like arenas, without draining your stamina.

Oh, plus you'll get the final round weapon drop bonus a lot, if you keep doing IW on Crude weapons, right? Hmm...

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Stamina

Oh, maybe my isekai approach has been suboptimal. Maybe you aren't supposed to do any grindfests (I usually do them the first day only). Losing that 1 stamina for entering is too much.

Maybe what you should do is collect and treasure your crappiest Crude and Fair weapons, and do PFUDOR item world on them all for no reason. The rounds should be low and you could clear them over and over, like arenas, without draining your stamina.

Oh, plus you'll get the final round weapon drop bonus a lot, if you keep doing IW on Crude weapons, right? Hmm...

Arena's give you final round weapon drop bonus, as do RoB. Tower as well. But: Not IW, not Fest.

i have better question, about isekai auction
where did you get it all that legendaries?
all i got this season: a couple of mag leather, a couple of mag plate, two mag phase, one mag cotton, one mag shade. and mag club from shrine.

upd
i also like dudes who bet on 5+ one-handed weapons at the same time
ok, one in each hand, the third in the ass, but where do you put the rest?

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This post has been edited by 495pygly: Nov 10 2024, 15:12

i have better question, about isekai auction
where did you get it all that legendaries?
all i got this season: a couple of mag leather, a couple of mag plate, two mag phase, one mag cotton, one mag shade. and mag club from shrine.

upd
i also like dudes who bet on 5+ one-handed weapons at the same time
ok, one in each hand, the third in the ass, but where do you put the rest?

i believe it's just bad luck.
i played less than ideally in the first 2 days before i got my isekai run on track and i'm behind you in terms of progression.
i've dropped two legendaries from arenas, got one from the shrine and bought one from the equipment shop (lol).

shrine (noodly appendage):
Legendary Fiery Shortsword of Slaughter

arena:
Legendary Ruby Phase Shoes of Niflheim
Legendary Cobalt Cotton Gloves of the Elementalist

equipment shop (was not tradeable before i soulfused it):
Legendary Cobalt Power Helmet of Protection

...

You get the buff, restoration & that readout message for any answer now: to limit the ability of AI solutions to gather correctly labelled training data.

i have better question, about isekai auction
where did you get it all that legendaries?
all i got this season: a couple of mag leather, a couple of mag plate, two mag phase, one mag cotton, one mag shade. and mag club from shrine.

upd
i also like dudes who bet on 5+ one-handed weapons at the same time
ok, one in each hand, the third in the ass, but where do you put the rest?

That is some bad RNG.

My Isekai start (for the first time) was not optimal. I changed my password the previous day locking myself out of MM, shop, shrine etc. for 24 hours, then I died twice in a tower on a first day. No really good equips either (or patience), so I've been able to play in PFUDOR only in the very last day of the early bird event.

My lego drops/shrines were:

Legendary Demonic Rapier of the Nimble (shrine)
Legendary Shocking Shortsword of Swiftness (shrine)
Legendary Jade Force Shield of Stoneskin (shrine)
Legendary Jade Power Gauntlets of Warding (drop)
Legendary Jade Cotton Robe of the Elementalist (drop, sold)

This post has been edited by folwaR...: Nov 11 2024, 12:01

My equipment this isekai season is so junk again, but unlike last season:

where I was stuck with a Mag Tempestuous Rapier lacking Str which I refused to IW and made me suffer with Piercing damage until I fainted in the Tower...and wait until Last Spurt to revive, wearing the various peerless armors and magnificent barrier buckler and legendary rapier graciously thrown onto my dead body as the season's months passed...then IW'ed all my equipment to the max getting mostly all juggernauts and stuff...

this season I'm stuck with mostly Exquisite crap and almost just poop Superior Rapier, but I'm already almost as strong as the end of last season, due to my level being higher, and having the right kind of Superior Rapier (prefix, suffix) that has an excellent IW and level 5 forging

I've sold several magnificent weapons this season and sold the most expensive 1H weapon in last week's isekai auction (Legendary Shortsword, now the third I've gotten since I started getting all juggernauts and shortswords in final days of last season)...to keep my poopy level 200 Superior Rapier (actually Exquisite with bottom roll like Superior).

I think I could clear Tower 50 and finish the season like this but I feel dumb. Please can I have something better. Last season I asked for a PHOH by the power of grayskull and when I asked I got a Legendary Hallowed Shortsword (the second one that appeared immediately after I asked).

So I think I will ask again. I don't know what I will ask for though. Some guy already got PDWD. Okay, I will ask for PAWD. Give me a PAWD today and I will try to clear Tower 50 by bonking enemies on the head with it. Does that count as 1H style?

(I already got a LAOF this season but I sold it, and it's not good enough to whop enemies on the head with).

I remember that there was an ancient player cleared DwD with staff + physical attack, but I doubt it's possible to clear tower 50 with that.

speaking about LAOF, I was planned to make a test with it at last season, but I endup too lazy and stop playing few weeks before the season end

This post has been edited by what_is_name: Nov 14 2024, 14:07