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Power Flux arena (25 rounds) with Magnificent Axe of Slaughter - 1482 turns
Killzone arena (30 rounds) with Magnificent Arctic Rapier of the Nimble - 1378 turns

ok, actually Axe is mush faster in bigger arenas, because i just die with it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Power Flux arena (25 rounds):
Lvl359, Shortsword of Balance, full Plate except one power of protection (on the gloves).
613 turns 0:03:47 (2,7 t/s)

And that's a defensive build, it's not optimized for raw damage output or clear speed. Heck I'd still be nearly as fast with a Wakizashi of the Nimble.
With a full Mag Power set, perhaps I'd be under 500 turns? Considering the better accuracy, higher ADB and crit chance.
Alright, perhaps I'm "cheating" with a full Legendary set, with everything Forge 5. But at that level, everything has a large PMit and a lot of HP already.

This post has been edited by KitsuneAbby: Apr 22 2024, 01:53

ok, tell me the best build for the next isekai
no kidding, i will do as you say

Finally cleared Floor 100.
Power 1H (Wakizashi/Buckler) with all the enhancements. Took ~4 hours.
No idea how you guys manage with Phase 1H. I tried, damage is nice, but he can't take hits for shit on higher floors. I just get my ass kicked.
Think next time I'll try Power with Sword/Axe and Force Shield.

No idea how you guys manage with Phase 1H. I tried, damage is nice, but he can't take hits for shit on higher floors. I just get my ass kicked.

Assuming you mean 1h mage, as in using spells rather than physical attacks:

Tons of debuffs. Everything except confuse and drain, and maybe sleep. Magnet (+ Sleep if needed) -> Weaken all -> Silence, Slow, Blind, Magnet -> imperil all (+ Silence, Slow, Blind again if needed) -> offensive spell rotation until Magnet cools down (+ a third round of Silence, Slow, Blind if needed) -> Magnet one last time -> offensive spell rotation.

With absurdly high forging and level 400+, you don't need to spam as many debuffs.

ok, tell me the best build for the next isekai
no kidding, i will do as you say

I've heard wonders about Shade 1H, though the classic power build still works very well, albeit with a lot of consumables. What I have done myself requirs a bit of credits in forging Legendary Plate, but then you can sell bacxk all exliris and most potions.
Any weapon goes, except Axe and Club. Those two weapons are indeed mostly fit for either DW or Lvl500 1H.

The real key for both speed and survival is spamming Deprecating spells. Imperil, Weaken, Silence, Sleep, mostly. I was using and abusing Drain for my part to recover my spirit out of monsters while depriving them of their spirit attack.

This post has been edited by KitsuneAbby: Apr 22 2024, 08:52

I've heard wonders about Shade 1H, though the classic power build still works very well, albeit with a lot of consumables. What I have done myself requirs a bit of credits in forging Legendary Plate, but then you can sell bacxk all exliris and most potions.
Any weapon goes, except Axe and Club. Those two weapons are indeed mostly fit for either DW or Lvl500 1H.

The real key for both speed and survival is spamming Deprecating spells. Imperil, Weaken, Silence, Sleep, mostly. I was using and abusing Drain for my part to recover my spirit out of monsters while depriving them of their spirit attack.

so, full plate + shortsword + force shield, spamming weaken and imperil. right?

so, full plate + shortsword + force shield, spamming weaken and imperil. right?

personally, for floor 50, I recommend Dual Wield (more fun) or 1h mage (more speed)
Dual wield, I've played shortsword of slaughter + rapier of nimble, and club + rapier, and rapier + waki of nimble. All work. Balance works as well for the rapier. Just go with what you can get and optimize while you level up.
1h mage: shield is so important. Buckler or force shield, both work fine for reaching floor 50. Force shield does need feathers of course. Waki with elemental suffix + 5 phases of same element. Spam weaken, silence, slow and imperil. Near floor 50 magnet begins to get useful.

But for floor 50, 1h heavy works as well:For floor 50, heavy armor works fine, but light armor works as well and is safer near floor 100. Any good shield will get you to floor 50. For floor 100, you need to be able to keep your concentration for > 2 hrs (1h heavy or 1h light), or > 1.5 hrs for 1h mage. For 1h mage, you need to clear the arenas every day to get enough income to buy elixirs and potions. So both are a chore. Not worh it, floor 100.

This post has been edited by Noni: Apr 22 2024, 16:36

@ikki.

It is also not true that you need lv 500 and perfect gear and high DD levels for shortsword. Just not true. All you need is fully upgraded imperil. So level 310. That's when shortsword starts to become great. And that's when most players switch to mage which is of course much much faster than either weapon.

and who said that?

I think I was the one who said something in this regard, but not exactly as Noni wrote (and he ended up directing the answer to you).

What I said was based on my Persistent experience over the years, because I always played with 1H (I also did some tests with DW; I never did anything very serious with 2H; and never used a mage set).

When I was an average level player (over 300) I used both Rapier and Shortsword Slaughter from nearby qualities (soulfused and with same upgrades). At that time I had no DD levels and my power set was improvised (without soulfuse and a few upgrades). In this situation, and the way I played, Shortsword was always slower than Rapier. But this difference was not so big that it concludes that a Shortsword was not useful. Just one observation: at that time I didn't use scripts, so I was based on real-time results (using a timer). Obviously it was not very accurate, but it already gave a good idea of the general situation.

As I climbed on level and got stronger (using better equipment, making more upgrades and buying Hath Perks), I realized that the difference between Rapier and Shortsword diminished progressively. When I started using scripts (right after I reached the level 500), the results showed that my observations were correct. At that time, with full forged equipment and DD5, there was a technical draw between the swords, with a light advantage for Rapier (few turns and seconds of difference in time).

Today, with DD9, this relationship has reversed, with a small advantage for Shortsword, as shown in the images below.

Test: IW 100 rounds

Peerless Shocking Shortsword of Slaughter + Infusion of Divinity + Aether Shard

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/2UVWVoZ.jpeg)

Legendary Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter + Infusion of Lightning + Aether Shard

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/v2K7383.jpeg)

And just out of curiosity, I decided to test with Club. And as it can be seen, the result was pretty bad.

Peerless Hallowed Club of Slaughter + Infusion of Lightning + Aether Shard

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/5SyC4Nl.jpeg)

Basara Nekki, my statement was not based on numbers, because performance difference between axe, shortsword and rapier was so noticeable that there was no need to count anything. it was a level 200-300 isekai

Basara Nekki, my statement was not based on numbers, because performance difference between axe, shortsword and rapier was so noticeable that there was no need to count anything. it was a level 200-300 isekai

As I had said, the un-survivable setup is not in discussion. If you insist to believe your lv200-300 play data, then I would say the waki is the best of all weapon, I don't even need to run another test, the waki can clear the rounds that rapier can't survive for sure, is that means the bleed wound better than stun and penetrated armor? no, it just means you'r too week

if i'm faster with rapier than with axe, that means i'm too weak, ok got it

IW100 with axe, shortsword and rapier. Wanted to try it as well (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

no ofc or frd, just imperil
Axe: 1459 turns; Shortsword: 1467 turns; Rapier: 1539 turns (tried without recasting imperil too, but got the same result)


imperil + frd
Axe: 1224 turns; Shortsword: 1248 turns; Rapier: 1258 turns


Things might be different on Grindfest, though, since you barely have to heal on IW

I'm not sure Basara did enough trials either with DD5 or with DD9 to truly be sure, but presuming so, I guess that is an interesting result. So then a higher damage level would favor shortsword very very minimally over rapier. I guess that does make sense, but I would not have expected that until we reach damage levels higher than what I think we are at (basically killing a significant amount of monsters in one hit).

Could it be that anything else is responsible for the change? I think Basara has a full Peerless Power set now whereas he did not before. I don't know whether this would benefit rapier or shortsword more, though.

Even post level 500 your proficiencies will continue to increase. I don't think the damage increase would be too significant, but the deprecating proficiency might make your Imperil stick better. That's my best guess, actually. Possibly more important than the DD increase.

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Nah, 600 Depr prof does, at best, 16% counter-resist for a Lvl500 melee player. That doesn't make that much difference, even though it's better than nothing.

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