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No this isn't their value. That's just two extremely frustrated players who are probably fighting over the last piece that is missing in ther collction.

I had already thought of it; I just didn't think they would take it that far. The problem is that, when the piece I want to appear in the auction, they will surely do the same thing again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

You can faily obtain them through the lottery with some patience and a bit of luck.

Did you say luck? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Just the only thing I don't have. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Usually you'd rather see them arounc 10-20MC, but 35MC is just getting ridiculous.

I don't remember such high values. I myself bought two pieces for 5m each (in my WTB, between 1 and 2 years ago), and another for just 2m (in one WTS, many years ago). And the first I got as a gift. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The last piece missing I'm offering 10m, and I think it's a lot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I'm back to playing HV arenas somewhat consistently. I'm more or less close to being able to fully forge my EDB. After that it's just a matter of reaching a decent prof to swap to slightly better slots.

Honestly, the reason keeping me from playing more is seeing the incredibly diminishing returns on everything I do. Number one being the low sale price on trophies. If I don't sell trophies ever, all I get for playing is the tiny credit rewards for completion and sale of equipments. And the hope that someday, maybe, I'll get a bunch of trillion credits because people are gambling again.

Which gets my to my point. How do really late game players keep any daily interest in the game? If they barely, if ever, get closer to their goals at all.

btw good staff on auction today. GL to all dark mages x)

edit: is that my former robe, KitsuneAbby? I'd be happy if it got to be used. Good IW guide btw, it kinda motivates me to give GF a try again (famous last words)

This post has been edited by Byza: Feb 12 2024, 10:37

I'm back to playing HV arenas somewhat consistently. I'm more or less close to being able to fully forge my EDB. After that it's just a matter of reaching a decent prof to swap to slightly better slots.

Honestly, the reason keeping me from playing more is seeing the incredibly diminishing returns on everything I do. Number one being the low sale price on trophies. If I don't sell trophies ever, all I get for playing is the tiny credit rewards for completion and sale of equipments. And the hope that someday, maybe, I'll get a bunch of trillion credits because people are gambling again.

Which gets my to my point. How do really late game players keep any daily interest in the game? If they barely, if ever, get closer to their goals at all.

btw good staff on auction today. GL to all dark mages x)

edit: is that my former robe, KitsuneAbby? I'd be happy if it got to be used. Good IW guide btw, it kinda motivates me to give GF a try again (famous last words)

Welcome to the bane of endgame players, where everything we drop is shit and all we can do is pray with a Follower of Snowflake for the tiny hope of getting anything interesting.
Most heavy spenders either do spend a shitload of IRL money to get their credits or their build, or spend their entire days farming like mad.

It's difficult to keep being interested when your daily arenas barely nets you 200kC a day and never any half-decent drop, which is quite disheartening. All for around one hour a day spent playing, which is quite a lot and quite exhausting.

This post has been edited by KitsuneAbby: Feb 12 2024, 10:50

Oh wow, the lad who got the PHOH from the lotto not too long ago also won the PDWD, both lottos being over 1m tickets. Now that's true luck.

Which gets my to my point. How do really late game players keep any daily interest in the game? If they barely, if ever, get closer to their goals at all.

Slow progress is still progress I guess, and it also depends on what goals you have. Expecting full usable peerless sets composed of rare prefix and suffix combos with only arena luck and income seems a bit farfetched and can kill your desire to go on given how impossible it seems to be, but maybe max forging a stat or two of an equip via salvaging magnificents for mats and MonLab gifts might be within the realm of possibility for anybody with enough patience, which is where the slow but steady play and gains come into play.

Of course there's also cases of people with outlandish goals like getting all monsters maxed with all Chaos Tokens or max profs for everything with low exp multipliers or having 100b credits on hand who give it their all to achieve those, effort which might enter into obsession teritory but that still counts as motivation I suppose.

Oh wow, the lad who got the PHOH from the lotto not too long ago also won the PDWD, both lottos being over 1m tickets. Now that's true luck.
Slow progress is still progress I guess, and it also depends on what goals you have. Expecting full usable peerless sets composed of rare prefix and suffix combos with only arena luck and income seems a bit farfetched and can kill your desire to go on given how impossible it seems to be

I think this expectation can kill your desire to go on even with lots of awards/toplists/etc.

Slow progress is still progress I guess, and it also depends on what goals you have. Expecting full usable peerless sets composed of rare prefix and suffix combos with only arena luck and income seems a bit farfetched and can kill your desire to go on given how impossible it seems to be, but maybe max forging a stat or two of an equip via salvaging magnificents for mats and MonLab gifts might be within the realm of possibility for anybody with enough patience, which is where the slow but steady play and gains come into play.

To the average player, there is just a huge difference between earning ~180k a day and the full income of a decent trophy sale. Prices haven't touched the current yearly average since november or so, generally being 30 to 50% lower. At my stage, that's still "a phazon a day", which is kinda nice and gets me interested in playing. Once I finish paying for my reasonable priced damage improvements, idk how I'm going to stay motivated to do arenas. My comment was directed precisely at how little the income from "playing the game" seems to advances any objective past beginner ones. People still grinding after years have my blessing.

Talking about it, I'm wondering if I should just buy trophies and FoS like a pig instead of trying to win lotteries to get cores. That would be way more expensive, sure, but I'd still get cores nontheless and I could maybe get a truly cool thing like a PHOH or a PFWD (yeah I'd like to blast as Fire mage too).

Talking about it, I'm wondering if I should just buy trophies and FoS like a pig instead of trying to win lotteries to get cores. That would be way more expensive, sure, but I'd still get cores nontheless and I could maybe get a truly cool thing like a PHOH or a PFWD (yeah I'd like to blast as Fire mage too).

Both looks better than buying Tenbora's Box.

To the average player, there is just a huge difference between earning ~180k a day and the full income of a decent trophy sale. Prices haven't touched the current yearly average since november or so, generally being 30 to 50% lower. At my stage, that's still "a phazon a day", which is kinda nice and gets me interested in playing. Once I finish paying for my reasonable priced damage improvements, idk how I'm going to stay motivated to do arenas. My comment was directed precisely at how little the income from "playing the game" seems to advances any objective past beginner ones. People still grinding after years have my blessing.

I think as people go on in this game some experience a shift from achievement-oriented (stat gain, mod power, GP, credits, hath perks, lvl 500, PFUDOR clears) into treating it more as a "bonsai game", so players take their time watering and trimming the character slowly into something beautiful that fits their vision of how it should look and play and enjoy the zen process in doing so while not being their main activity or a thing they dedicate their every waking moment to, just a little tree growing in their garden they tend to every once in a while or something like that.
The closest some of us will get to playing a g*cha "game"

But there's nothing wrong with losing motivation and never making it past beginner objectives either since most of us have little income and it can become a pain tending to the garden (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I know I removed a few goals off the list because they will take longer than the motivation will last.
And as kamio said, even with lots of income and awards it's just as easy to crash and burn for different reasons. So yeah, blessed game elves, wonder how many of us they have seen being born and die over certain periods of time.

Talking about it, I'm wondering if I should just buy trophies and FoS like a pig instead of trying to win lotteries to get cores. That would be way more expensive, sure, but I'd still get cores nontheless and I could maybe get a truly cool thing like a PHOH or a PFWD (yeah I'd like to blast as Fire mage too).

Yes please, you could even end up helping indirectly some users like Byza-chan up there unless you're a lucker and end up your FoS career early on.

Honestly, the reason keeping me from playing more is seeing the incredibly diminishing returns on everything I do. Number one being the low sale price on trophies. If I don't sell trophies ever, all I get for playing is the tiny credit rewards for completion and sale of equipments. And the hope that someday, maybe, I'll get a bunch of trillion credits because people are gambling again.

Which gets my to my point. How do really late game players keep any daily interest in the game? If they barely, if ever, get closer to their goals at all.

I wouldn't mind buying trophies at the old prices. I used to buy them at 5.5k each. However you have to deal with re sellers that want to profit of you. Once resellers sell thier trophies they have more ammo to buy and re sell again. Its an endless cycle that has driven the price of trophies down. They compete with one another see. I like to skim off the top to avoid resellers and to avoid giving them more resources for thier shenanigans.

I keep an interest in the game beacuse I think its very unique. I like collecting Peerless armor sets, making different personas, leveling my monsters and playing in isekai. There are a lot of long term goals you can have if you like the game. I wouldn't try to rush anything thou beacuse its easy to burn yourself out that way. I burned myself out after leveling to 500, creating and foraging my first mage set. I took a break for about a yearish or two and then came back with vigor. A complete monster lab is probably going to be the hardest and most time consuming process there is in HV. So I wouldn't worry so much about it.

I'm glad people are finally getting the idea about resellers. A year ago, if I'd told people don't buy blindly from the sell side because you'll be making a reseller rich, I think they would've said "Who cares" or just ignored me. The only reason I do it is to block certain other resellers from making money. If everybody but one drops out, the last one can get fat without effort. At this point it doesn't make significant money and all the major players are only doing it out of spite for other resellers.

In order for reselling to drive down the price of trophies, it would have to either increase supply or reduce demand. It obviously doesn't do the first, and I don't see why it should do the second either, since you can always avoid the resellers if you're patient.

Reselling is not really worth it for most items right now: everything crashes slowly but steadily.
I don't think that I am the only one who thinks that "enough is enough" and who wants to just buy materials at an affordable price that doesn't take months of saving. I will consider buying trophies when it gets mildly competitive compared to the lotteries.

And as I always say: if staring at the market to try and minmax your income doesn't net you (way) more than just playing the fucken game, then stop the bullshit and play the game instead. I can convert 1 hour into 100kC from the Grindfest, I'll let you imagine how many millions of credits you have to move around (and risk) to net a profit of only 100kC.

Reselling is not really worth it for most items right now: everything crashes slowly but steadily.
I don't think that I am the only one who thinks that "enough is enough" and who wants to just buy materials at an affordable price that doesn't take months of saving. I will consider buying trophies when it gets mildly competitive compared to the lotteries.

And as I always say: if staring at the market to try and minmax your income doesn't net you (way) more than just playing the fucken game, then stop the bullshit and play the game instead. I can convert 1 hour into 100kC from the Grindfest, I'll let you imagine how many millions of credits you have to move around (and risk) to net a profit of only 100kC.

Well, playing PFFEST or something like Isekai Tower is not interesting at all.

Peerless radiant phase robe of Mjolnir in Isekai-auction right now!

for lend borrow

Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Nimble

free just return it to me when EVENT end.

for lend borrow

Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Nimble

free just return it to me when EVENT end.

Can I have it? I have none tradable at the moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I'll send back after the event results.

This post has been edited by zizizi: Mar 1 2024, 04:32

for lend borrow for who level lower than 350 only.

Legendary Agile Kite Shield of Dampening

free just return it to me when EVENT end.

This post has been edited by fatepain: Mar 6 2024, 18:44

I saw in a dream last night that Tenboro will be adding the Silly Mage playstyle as a reroll of Chaos Mage, and the first confirmed Silly Mage ability will be the Silly Walk.

not sure if it was because my level is lower this season, the Tower seems a bit harder for me this season, wondering if I should rush to floor 50 with easier way or continuing burning my ISK to test the rest, lacking the motivation to further go (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

oh no now i have to answer 10 questions about crosswalks and bicycle pictures to login to here

those same crosswalk and fire hydrant pictures are all over the internet. i hate them

they are so hard and take so long to answer. sometimes i just cant get it right and have to give up