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This season I even lost interest to fully play early bird. Oh well. Doing RE only until the bigger changes come.

It should be half year later for isk or a year later for persistent (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Sorry to say it's a worthless leg, the practical cotton is Cotton XXX of the Elementalist/Heaven-sent/Demon-fiend (much worthy with charged).

Usually people are looking for Primary Attributes and Peerless Voucher for isk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

This is my first complete season, just curious is that you meant lv300 is strong enough to reach tower 50? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I used to think it should be way higher.

I think I will clear school girl arena only as daily mission after lv300, but i'm afraid it will be too lazy and not strong enough to reach tower 50 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

It should be half year later for isk or a year later for persistent (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Please, don't post when you have the last post already. Instead, edit your post. You can use the [quote+] button to create multiple quotes. Thank you!

I have near-maxed drop trainings in persistent. Isekai arenas during the "early bird" period take about 2x as long as persistent arenas because I'm forced to play melee with relatively gimpy equipment. So the 2x early bird bonus cancels out, and it's no better than playing persistent. With the drops being temporary unless you soulfuse, it's actually worse. When you consider that you also don't get crystals, artifacts, or chaos tokens, it's definitely worse.

The early bird drop rate is 5x, not 2x. Still, I'm not sure how this interacts with stamina drain also being double (?) and your early character likely being further double gimped. The problem is that, depending on your luck and how you play, much of the early bird period isn't done at PFUDOR, except the latter half (or less) for me.

In my opinion, increasing the drop rate (and/or reducing stamina consumption) does not solve the problem. Even if the rate was 10x, it means we will gain even more useless equipment.

The solution would be that, in PFUDOR, the minimum quality of equipment should be Exquisite. Removing the Superior equipment, you redistribute the chances, increasing the amount of Exquisite, Magnificent and Legendary.

I know Exquisite is also unlikely, but at least provides Mid-Grade material, and an increase in drops of this equipment would help in the upgrades issue.

I think I will clear school girl arena only as daily mission after lv300, but i'm afraid it will be too lazy and not strong enough to reach tower 50 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

From what I played in the last two seasons, if you get to Level 350, reaching the floor 50 will be more or less smooth.

The solution would be that, in PFUDOR, the minimum quality of equipment should be Exquisite. Removing the Superior equipment, you redistribute the chances, increasing the amount of Exquisite, Magnificent and Legendary.

I agree. Would be fine with higher difficulty levels to accommodate that, even.

This is my first complete season, just curious is that you meant lv300 is strong enough to reach tower 50? I used to think it should be way higher.

Yes, level 300 is enough to do it smoothly in my opinion as long as you use Weaken (if you don't use Weaken, it won't be smooth even at quite a bit higher levels probably). This was true even in the very first season of Isekai when the Tower was supposedly much harder (in actuality, the original Tower took longer because of more rounds, but it wasn't really harder than it is now...probably until you start getting past floor 60 or 70+).

Don't wait until level 300 to start your final push to Floor 50. You can start around level 250~270. By the time you finish, the experience gain from the Tower itself will push you past level 300~320, even if you don't play any arenas or do anything else.

And in my opinion forging is a waste of your credits if you are only aiming for Floor 50. Although you will waste a ton of credits per floor buying draughts and potions, especially if you are only around level 300. Forging just a tiny bit might be worth it with Exquisite and Magnificent gears only, because the materials and catalysts are cheaper enough that it's comparable to potions cost.

In my opinion, increasing the drop rate (and/or reducing stamina consumption) does not solve the problem. Even if the rate was 10x, it means we will gain even more useless equipment.

The solution would be that, in PFUDOR, the minimum quality of equipment should be Exquisite. Removing the Superior equipment, you redistribute the chances, increasing the amount of Exquisite, Magnificent and Legendary.

I know Exquisite is also unlikely, but at least provides Mid-Grade material, and an increase in drops of this equipment would help in the upgrades issue.
From what I played in the last two seasons, if you get to Level 350, reaching the floor 50 will be more or less smooth.

Yes, level 300 is enough to do it smoothly in my opinion as long as you use Weaken (if you don't use Weaken, it won't be smooth even at quite a bit higher levels probably). This was true even in the very first season of Isekai when the Tower was supposedly much harder (in actuality, the original Tower took longer because of more rounds, but it wasn't really harder than it is now...probably until you start getting past floor 60 or 70+).

Don't wait until level 300 to start your final push to Floor 50. You can start around level 250~270. By the time you finish, the experience gain from the Tower itself will push you past level 300~320, even if you don't play any arenas or do anything else.

And in my opinion forging is a waste of your credits if you are only aiming for Floor 50. Although you will waste a ton of credits per floor buying draughts and potions, especially if you are only around level 300. Forging just a tiny bit might be worth it with Exquisite and Magnificent gears only, because the materials and catalysts are cheaper enough that it's comparable to potions cost.

Thanks for your information, since I'm 292lv now and I plan to clear school girls arena every day, it should not be a big problem to reach 350lv. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Never use weaken even in persistent, I'll try it then.(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

to Noni:
never used quote+, I'll use it next time

This post has been edited by BA-ZA-HEI: Jul 2 2022, 02:27

You know what else can prevent you being burnt out? Hold an event and gib free moni (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Holding events can boost your luck. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I was gonna say I have some doubts about that but I remember you got some rare peerly fenrir stuff at some point (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/282155538/36c6ecca23

this equipment practical?
I don't want sell
just ask

my first legendary

Warding stuff looks like that?! In any case yeah sadly only worth it's value as salvage item aka High-Grade Cloth + Legendary Armor Core.

I was gonna say I have some doubts about that but I remember you got some rare peerly fenrir stuff at some point (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Warding stuff looks like that?! In any case yeah sadly only worth it's value as salvage item aka High-Grade Cloth + Legendary Armor Core.

I just trying to make it more interesting
grateful
its my first legendary
so I still save it

I was gonna say I have some doubts about that but I remember you got some rare peerly fenrir stuff at some point (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I got a peerless power balance for my isk run last season and it saved my ass tremendously

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/282155538/36c6ecca23

this equipment practical?
I don't want sell
just ask

my first legendary

I just trying to make it more interesting
grateful
its my first legendary
so I still save it

Are you two the same person?

There's only one account allowed per person, so you'll need to pick one & retire the other if you don't want to get permabanned.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Jul 2 2022, 09:50

For dailies, okamai naku.

After feeding my monsters because 100% starvation didn't appear to cause any desired (morale loss accelerated) short-term effect, and left alone too long would have had a really bad effect, I've decided from now one I will let them starve completely before feeding them.
This is based on the theory that rounding may cause over-consumption of food otherwise, and since there's no visible bad short term effect of starving, may as well do that.

After feeding my monsters because 100% starvation didn't appear to cause any desired (morale loss accelerated) short-term effect, and left alone too long would have had a really bad effect, I've decided from now one I will let them starve completely before feeding them.
This is based on the theory that rounding may cause over-consumption of food otherwise, and since there's no visible bad short term effect of starving, may as well do that.

from HV0.85 release notes:

Monster Lab

- The "Feed" button on the monster stats page and the "Feed All" button on the monster slots page now operate in the exact same way, and neither will waste food. The feed quantity is always rounded down, and monsters will not be fed if they cannot eat at least one food. The single-food option was removed.

- Added a "Drug All Monsters" button to automatically use happy pills on all monsters with yellow or worse morale. This will not waste pills, but it will use more than one if it can do so without wasting any. This specifically avoids using pills on monsters that are currently on green morale, in case you want to boost them with upgrades.

No over-consumption.

This post has been edited by Noni: Jul 2 2022, 17:05

I got a peerless power balance for my isk run last season and it saved my ass tremendously

Do you mean from a normal drop? That's very lucky indeed. I've had luck getting peerls from shrining on isekai but from actual drops don't really think so.

After feeding my monsters because 100% starvation didn't appear to cause any desired (morale loss accelerated) short-term effect, and left alone too long would have had a really bad effect, I've decided from now one I will let them starve completely before feeding them.
This is based on the theory that rounding may cause over-consumption of food otherwise, and since there's no visible bad short term effect of starving, may as well do that.

Can confirm you can't overfeed. I give some chow to my monsters every day, several times per day and there's always a few hunger bars that never get to max because the system doesn't allow you to. I like that it works this way.

After seeing an equipment that I bought just to salvage it in the equipment shop, I wondered: why aren't we swimming in even the highest grade materials in the materials shop?
Aren't there TRULY ULTRA MEGA PREMIUM DELUXE RICH people out there, that could salvage and rebuy an equipment over and over again, and flood the market?

After seeing an equipment that I bought just to salvage it in the equipment shop, I wondered: why aren't we swimming in even the highest grade materials in the materials shop?
Aren't there TRULY ULTRA MEGA PREMIUM DELUXE RICH people out there, that could salvage and rebuy an equipment over and over again, and flood the market?

You only get the base salvage material once.

But even if that weren't the case, there's not really any benefit to doing it, with the increasing costs for salvaging - they'd soon stop being TRULY ULTRA MEGA PREMIUM DELUXE RICH doing that kind of thing.

After seeing an equipment that I bought just to salvage it in the equipment shop, I wondered: why aren't we swimming in even the highest grade materials in the materials shop?
Aren't there TRULY ULTRA MEGA PREMIUM DELUXE RICH people out there, that could salvage and rebuy an equipment over and over again, and flood the market?

The thing about being TRULY ULTRA MEGA PREMIUM DELUXE RICH is that you don't waste your time with that stuff and just buy it instead. (Also, as Shank said, it doesn't work.)

This post has been edited by kamio11: Jul 3 2022, 16:04

After seeing an equipment that I bought just to salvage it in the equipment shop, I wondered: why aren't we swimming in even the highest grade materials in the materials shop?
Aren't there TRULY ULTRA MEGA PREMIUM DELUXE RICH people out there, that could salvage and rebuy an equipment over and over again, and flood the market?

You only get the base salvage material once.

But even if that weren't the case, there's not really any benefit to doing it, with the increasing costs for salvaging - they'd soon stop being TRULY ULTRA MEGA PREMIUM DELUXE RICH doing that kind of thing.

Tested it accidentally (the item I salvaged "only" had a 5 digits cost while the last one I saw was 6 digits, and even cutting the rightmost digit would have left it a bigger price), and saw the message about failing to salvage anything.
I wish it was at least possible to get at least scraps in that case: if the number of scraps is based on the normal/sell price instead of the rebuying price, and considering scraps are already available in infinite quantity in the shop, then it would be at least a meager consolation price for accidents.

Made me think of something else: for those that have the money, would not it be interesting to always salvage, then rebuy the equipment they decide to use, to have a bit more material for upgrade?
Or is there some other penalty hidden in this case?

edit: I think I'm starting to fall in the direction of something to post in Ask the Expert instead. Hopefully I haven't crossed the line yet.

This post has been edited by uareader: Jul 4 2022, 22:45

I might be mistaken, but I think the limitation where salvaging an equipment only grants materials once is a new development (due to the introduction of cores).

But even aside from that, there is another mechanic that prevents this kind of salvaging from being profitable. When you rebuy a salvaged equipment from the bazaar, there is a 5x increase in the buy price. Legendary armors could cost around 50k to purchase from the bazaar, and salvaged Legendary armors would cost 250k.

Why would anyone pay 50k~250k to get a material? It's not worth it. Materials' trade value is far lower than that.

I might be mistaken, but I think the limitation where salvaging an equipment only grants materials once is a new development (due to the introduction of cores).

that already existed, but what was added is that the 'already salvaged' status carries over from isekai to persistent.