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Yes, the good Example is the Block Chance on a Shield or on 5 Plates.
Suppose you have 50% Block Chance,
If you have all 50% on a Shield, you have a 50% Chance to block;
if you have it as 10% on 5 Plates, you have a 1-(1-10%)^5=40.951% Chance to block.

For the same Reason it's not recommend to use Buckler of the Nimble.

Got it, will start looking for one equipment focus. Thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

So, is it better to maximize one of them instead of spreading it? Currently doing block and parry build

It doesn't actually matter. The chance of avoiding is exactly the same either way.

Example: if you have a choice between 10% block and 10% evade, no matter what your current level of either is, that still reduces the amount of attacks that hit you by 10%.

Besides, you don't really get much of a choice anyway - there's no evade chance on heavy equipment, no block chance on anything but shields and shielding plate armor pieces, and no parry on anything besides weapons.

There is only one item that has a choice between the two - shields - where buckler has either the barrier or nimble suffix. Nimble adds a little more parry than you'd get in block from barrier, but since parry can only avoid physical attacks, the block may be safer. (For 1H mage it doesn't really matter so much since you have a ton of resist from your cloth equipment anyway.)


This post has been edited by Nezu: Dec 27 2021, 15:53

It doesn't actually matter. The chance of avoiding is exactly the same either way.

Example: if you have a choice between 10% block and 10% evade, no matter what your current level of either is, that still reduces the amount of attacks that hit you by 10%.

Besides, you don't really get much of a choice anyway - there's no evade chance on heavy equipment, no block chance on anything but shields and shielding plate armor pieces, and no parry on anything besides weapons.

There is only one item that has a choice between the two - shields - where buckler has either the barrier or nimble suffix. Nimble adds a little more parry than you'd get in block from barrier, but since parry can only avoid physical attacks, the block may be safer. (For 1H mage it doesn't really matter so much since you have a ton of resist from your cloth equipment anyway.)

Hmm.. well, my build is mostly because of the equipment so it's quite random for most case and it somehow ended up as heavy armor 1H.

Ah, there is also one thing that unclear to me, the soulfuse thing. It said that it will level up as we do but does the item stat increase when level up or it fixed?

Ah, there is also one thing that unclear to me, the soulfuse thing. It said that it will level up as we do but does the item stat increase when level up or it fixed?

Soulfused equipment will always scale to your level (so yes, the stats will increase as you level up).

Soulfused equipment will always scale to your level (so yes, the stats will increase as you level up).

So does this mean that soulfusing higher level item with decrease it stat?

So does this mean that soulfusing higher level item with decrease it stat?

Yes of course.

So does this mean that soulfusing higher level item with decrease it stat?

Yes, it'll decrease at first. By the time you reach that item's original level, it'll be the same, and when you go past that level, it'll be higher.

And the Problem of the Buckler of the Nimble exactly:
The Buckler has Block Chance, but doesn't have Nimble Chance originally,
For a Buckler of the Barrier, the Block Chance from Suffix is additive with the original Block Chance.
For a Buckler of the Nimble, the Parry Chance is multiple with the Parry Chance from your DEX and other Euqipments.
And forging the Parry Chance on a Buckler of the Nimble costs extra Wood, while it still worked worse than a Buckler of the Barrier when Block Chance on both is the same forged.

And the Problem of the Buckler of the Nimble exactly:
The Buckler has Block Chance, but doesn't have Nimble Chance originally,
For a Buckler of the Barrier, the Block Chance from Suffix is additive with the original Block Chance.
For a Buckler of the Nimble, the Parry Chance is multiple with the Parry Chance from your DEX and other Euqipments.
And forging the Parry Chance on a Buckler of the Nimble costs extra Wood, while it still worked worse than a Buckler of the Barrier when Block Chance on both is the same forged.

So it's better because it cost less to upgrade?

So it's better because it cost less to upgrade?

Buckler of the Barrier: only need to forge the Block Chance, better Performance;
Buckler of the Nimble: even if you also forge the Parry Chance (double Cost), still worse Performance than Buckler of the Barrier.

Buckler of the Barrier: only need to forge the Block Chance, better Performance;
Buckler of the Nimble: even if you also forge the Parry Chance (double Cost), still worse Performance than Buckler of the Barrier.

Uh, it should actually be marginally better, even if you have other sources of block. You were comparing apples to oranges with your layered example before: you should compare shields to shields, not to other slots.

Although realistically it doesn't matter much for 1H mage, since it's already really safe.

Pretty sure I have some equipment other than shield that have block chance, gonna use that then. Thank you for the explanation (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Uh, it should actually be marginally better, even if you have other sources of block. You were comparing apples to oranges with your layered example before: you should compare shields to shields, not to other slots.

Although realistically it doesn't matter much for 1H mage, since it's already really safe.

Form my old Test in last Year, DD6, 4 Mag Radiant Phase forged 10.

Legendary Mithril Buckler of the Barrier (at that Time Block only forged 25)


Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Nimble


Legendary Agile Buckler of the Battlecaster (at that Time Block only forged 25, too)


Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Nimble (the same as above)


For 1H Mage my Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Nimble is already a Top One. That's why I don't recommend Buckler of the Nimble.

Form my old Test in last Year, DD6, 4 Mag Radiant Phase forged 10...

You're comparing one fest with 17 riddles to one fest with 19, with a difference of 400 turns, about 50 of which were cures. This is not a good sample and should not be used as definitive evidence given that the actual math shows you are wrong.

You're comparing one fest with 17 riddles to one fest with 19, with a difference of 400 turns, about 50 of which were cures. This is not a good sample and should not be used as definitive evidence given that the actual math shows you are wrong.

OK, I hope I can play much more in the Future to test it again.

Peerless Buckler of Barrier has 37.52 block. Peerless Buckler of Nimble has 31.03 block and 9.04 parry.

37.52 block = 31.03 block "plus" 9.41 block

(1 - 0. 3752) = (1 - 0.3103) * (1 - 0.0941)

Buckler of Barrier is completely superior, I think.

(1 - 0. 3752) = (1 - 0.3103) * (1 - 0.0941)

Buckler of Barrier is completely superior, I think.

0.6248 ~ 0.62479923 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

I think even if you have a ton of resist, "of the Barrier" still better because block additionally shields you from magic spells, while have same effect on melee damage.

"of the Nimble" need some buff.

Peerless Buckler of Barrier has 37.52 block. Peerless Buckler of Nimble has 31.03 block and 9.04 parry.

37.52 block = 31.03 block "plus" 9.41 block

(1 - 0. 3752) = (1 - 0.3103) * (1 - 0.0941)

Buckler of Barrier is completely superior, I think.

Where are you getting the 9.41 from? It's not multiplying with itself; this is a single stat on a single item that has the single difference of 6.49% block, compared to 9.04% parry from nimble. Am I going completely fucking mad?

Edit: no, nevermind, I think I get how you're trying to compare it. Nimble avoidance contribution: 1 - (1 - 0.3103) * (1 - 0.0904) = ~37.26% avoidance gained from the nimble buckler, vs a straight 37.52% from the barrier one.

So it's close, but yeah, I am going completely fucking mad, and I owe you and chjj an apology. Barrier is minorly better. Leaving this post intact as a mark of shame. Unless the wiki ranges are wrong and then I could still be right, maybe!...

I think even if you have a ton of resist, "of the Barrier" still better because block additionally shields you from magic spells, while have same effect on melee damage.

"of the Nimble" need some buff.

Depends if you're playing 1H mage, 1H heavy, or 1H light. 1H mage and 1H light don't give a shit about magic spells. They have a fuckton of evade, block and resist either way.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Dec 27 2021, 23:29

Where are you getting the 9.41 from? It's not multiplying with itself; this is a single stat on a single item that has the single difference of 6.49% block, compared to 9.04% parry from nimble. Am I going completely fucking mad?

Edit: no, nevermind, I think I get how you're trying to compare it. Nimble avoidance contribution: 1 - (1 - 0.3103) * (1 - 0.0904) = ~37.26% avoidance gained from the nimble buckler, vs a straight 37.52% from the barrier one.

So it's close, but yeah, I am going completely fucking mad, and I owe you and chjj an apology. Barrier is minorly better. Leaving this post intact as a mark of shame. Unless the wiki ranges are wrong and then I could still be right, maybe!...
Depends if you're playing 1H mage, 1H heavy, or 1H light. 1H mage and 1H light don't give a shit about magic spells. They have a fuckton of evade, block and resist either way.

No, I will say it's "Concentration" rather than mad. All of us are Human, which means we can have Temper sometimes, for me it's totally OK. We know even our amiable Scremaz once roar like a Bear after Drink, who is a Gentleman at all.

In the first Season I've uesd to be asked from a new Player, if he should use the Mag Buckler of the Nimble he got for his 1H Melee Set. I answered him, if it's the best Shield he got currently, of course, use it directly, and he can also forge the Block Chance a little. And I've also told him that he should change to a Mag Kite Shield or a Mag Buckler of the Barrier if he finds one later, because the Wood is expensive and precious at that Time in Isekai. Use extra Wood to forge the Parry Chance on a Buckler still can't make it working better than a Buckler of the Barrier, which also just has it's Block Chance forged. So his Buckler of the Nimble may be salvaged soon after he finds a better Shield.

In Persistent, the Wood Price isn't a big Problem, and the double Wood Cost can only be a Problem for a new Player. If he can find a good Buckler of the Nimble at low Level, it's also totally OK to use it. As 1H Mage, with Top Gears, like my current Set, 4 90% EDB Legendary Radiant with 50 forged, DD7, the Difference between Buckler of the Barrier and the Buckler of the Nimble doesn't make a big Difference, like you said, "Barrier is minorly better", even with a Buckler of the Battlecaster I can clear the PF Fest without SP Elixir now.

The Difference makes Sense for the Players, for whom his 1H Mage Set isn't safe enough, it's can be not Top Gears (like my old Mag Set), lower DD Level, much less forged, and so on. By "isn't safe enough" I mean when he has to use Scroll or SP Elixir to clear the PF Fest with a Buckler of the Barrier.

I forgot to take into account forging. Peerless Buckler of Barrier has 37.52 block --> 62.377 after level scaled and max forged. Peerless Buckler of Nimble has 31.03 block --> 51.587375 and 9.04 --> 15.029 parry.

62.377 block = 51.587375 block "plus" 22.2868 block

(1 - 0.62377) = (1 - 0.51587375) * (1 - 0.222868)

Changing 22.2868 back to base form gives 13.4056 extra base block for barrier suffix. This now is somewhat better looking than 9.04 nimble parry.

Suppose you have 50% Block Chance, if you have all 50% on a Shield, you have a 50% Chance to block;
if you have it as 10% on 5 Plates, you have a 1-(1-10%)^5=40.951% Chance to block.

For the same Reason it's not recommend to use Buckler of the Nimble.

Yes, this seems to be the true reason.

I suppose that Average Buckler of Barrier and Average Buckler of Nimble are reasonably competitive with each other. But because of multiplicative stacking, Forged Legendary Buckler of Barrier became completely superior to Forged Legendary Buckler of Nimble. Not working as intended. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Force shields have 1% more block than bucklers of barrier (1.66% after level scaled and forged). Actually it's much more than that because of multiplicative block stacking. A peerless force shield provides 64.04% actual block, which means that an extra 1.66% additive block is a 4.4% reduction in damage taken compared to peerless buckler of barrier.

Force shields also have about 1% more physical and magical mitigation than bucklers of barrier...

Force shields have minimum 28 interference compared to the minimum 1.4 interference of peerless bucklers. A peerless warrior has 87.5 interference from power armors, so a force shield uses 9.21% more mana than a buckler, or 5.74% if fully feathered (4.36% if you just feather the shield).

It is arguable whether or not interference actually means anything in practice. I leave this topic for a post in the near future.