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are nine repurposed actuators in isekai worth 5k of persistent credits?

are nine repurposed actuators in isekai worth 5k of persistent credits?

Worh more, I think.

unitready already has 63rd percentile Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Elementalist, currently bidding 45 million for 80th percentile same item... the difference in eprof fully forged & scaled to level 500 is only +2.58. Surely that's not significant. Might as well finish full-forging the one you already have instead?

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/230798203/deb7e3ecdc
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/108277704/ce848242df

If we cited the percentage of Lmax instead, maybe people would behave differently? 97.85% Lmax vs 95.96% Lmax doesn't sound nearly as impressive.

1st percentile gear can be arbitrarily close to 99th percentile gear depending on how thin the range actually is. I always thought using percentiles was very misleading.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Mar 20 2021, 12:58

unitready already has 63rd percentile Legendary Charged Cotton Shoes of the Elementalist, currently bidding 45 million for 80th percentile same item... the difference in eprof fully forged & scaled to level 500 is only +2.58. Surely that's not significant. Might as well finish full-forging the one you already have instead?

https://hentaiverse.org/equip/230798203/deb7e3ecdc
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/108277704/ce848242df

If we cited the percentage of Lmax instead, maybe people would behave differently? 97.85% Lmax vs 95.96% Lmax doesn't sound nearly as impressive.

1st percentile gear can be arbitrarily close to 99th percentile gear depending on how thin the range actually is. I always thought using percentiles was very misleading.

With both we can reach 1.80 with Staff (witch must be better than mine, 0% Elemental Prof.) and Perk. But, I do think that it's fair that Players pay more for Equipments with higher Percentage.

the difference in eprof fully forged & scaled to level 500 is only +2.58. Surely that's not significant.

I estimate that is equal to a difference of roughly 800 GrindFests worth of exp.

Might as well finish full-forging the one you already have instead?

It is.

I estimate that is equal to a difference of roughly 800 GrindFests worth of exp.

What assumptions did you make to calculate that? Ignoring that it depends on what your exp rate is (donations, awards etc), prof has exponential exp requirements, so 800 grindfests might get you a ton of prof if you're only at 500 base, but if you're at 590... much less.

With both we can reach 1.80 with Staff (witch must be better than mine, 0% Elemental Prof.) and Perk. But, I do think that it's fair that Players pay more for Equipments with higher Percentage.

Sure, but how much more? What would be the actual difference in prices if we listed them as 98% and 96% instead of 80% and 63%?

I estimate that is equal to a difference of roughly 800 GrindFests worth of exp.

And +2.58 is what percent of their existing effective proficiency, and adds how much to clear speed? A fraction of one percent? And how long until that fraction of a percent all by itself adds +45m credits to their take?

What about looking at your home networking gear and seeing if you can reduce ping to the server instead? Not all the latency comes from sources outside your control.

It is.

I meant the other stats.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Mar 20 2021, 13:32

Sure, but how much more? What would be the actual difference in prices if we listed them as 98% and 96% instead of 80% and 63%?
And +2.58 is what percent of their existing effective proficiency, and adds how much to clear speed? A fraction of one percent? And how long until that fraction of a percent all by itself adds +45m credits to their take?

What about looking at your home networking gear and seeing if you can reduce ping to the server instead? Not all the latency comes from sources outside your control.
I meant the other stats.

You can use
6.43 / 6.7 ≈ 96%
6.56 / 6.7 ≈ 98%
to compare Equipments If you want.

That just change the Situation from
0% to 100%
to
89% to 100%

I do. But I wonder how much we are influencing the market and player behavior with the way it is presented to people.

If Players have learned this Method of Comparison, they may still pay a lot for 98%-100%, I think.
But new Players may pay more for 89% ones, which is 0% one today.

People want to know how close to a perfect stat they're getting. Since Lmax is the highest attainable, %Lmax gives them complete and accurate information in a simple form.

Percentile tells them nothing of value without consulting a table and doing calculations. The mapping of the range of percentiles to the range of percentages isn't always 89:100 -> 0:100, it's different for every stat & equipment type in the game. Having a piece with a primary stat higher than 98% of equipments generated may be socially appealing, but by itself says nothing about its relative game performance. Better, but by how much? You cannot tell from the percentile alone.

The only thing percentile is useful for is telling people what are their odds. If they want to know how many legendary shortswords of slaughter they need to generate to get within a certain range of Lmax, percentile will tell them that. That's not typically what they want to know when they're looking at it. They want to know effect on clear time.

I think the effect would be to further lower equipment prices overall. Fewer pieces would be unnecessarily discarded as unusable, so supply would be greater. If people actually thought rationally about the payback time of upgrading to the highest percentile gear, they'd pass it up at current prices, so I'd expect the prices at the high end to come down as well.

Since people don't want that to happen, they have no incentive to make the change?

(In the HV Equipment Comparison script, you hit 'e' to see this view. It's called "Absolute Percentiles".)

It's just a Precentage. If Players want to know how the Stats behind the Precentage work exactly, they can try it research it themselves. I've used 4 Magnificent Radiant Phase of Mjolnir from 2015 to 2021, it's also OK that Players don't use Top Gears.

This post has been edited by chjj30: Mar 20 2021, 15:48

What assumptions did you make to calculate that? Ignoring that it depends on what your exp rate is (donations, awards etc), prof has exponential exp requirements, so 800 grindfests might get you a ton of prof if you're only at 500 base, but if you're at 590... much less.

(500*(1+((75-40)/50)^(2/3))-108.75-129.33)/1.1 = 596.46

(500*(1+((75-40)/50)^(2/3))-108.75-131.88)/1.1 = 594.14
diff = 2.32


For The grindfest exp I just use a random run I did, I have a speed sheet that estimates the average prof gain based on that, so I pulled the numbers from there and did some sloppy math, I already see a few error I made so it should be a bit lower (also the GF run was from last year so one less cookie too).


Also I did some rough math and 800 runs is enough to get to from 500 to 549, so yeah the difference is huge.

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This post has been edited by chjj30: Mar 22 2021, 02:33

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are nine repurposed actuators in isekai worth 5k of persistent credits?

I'll take these off you for 6k persistent credits. I will throw in a scroll of absorption while I'm at it.





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This post has been edited by Ass Spanker: Mar 23 2021, 09:38

I've finally got muh peerless battlecaster estoc. Good. It's not very useful under current game balance, but whatever - I wanted one for quite some time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Mar 23 2021, 13:02

I've finally got muh peerless battlecaster estoc. Good. It's not very useful under current game balance, but whatever - I wanted one for quite some time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Are you friends with that one fellow looking for a Battlecaster Mace?

Are you friends with that one fellow looking for a Battlecaster Mace?

No, but I'd take one as well. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I just want to say that I really enjoy HV and I'm having lots of fun in Isekai.