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I really don't like this way of characterizing it. HV is a game, and it's a game of increasing your numbers as efficiently as possible. For poor players, selling the stocking stuffers is the correct strategy. You get a consistent, predictable and significant amount of credits instead of an overwhelming probability of blowing it all. The only people who should be shrining them are the rich players who can buy 25-50+ so the odds average out. And who wins if the poor players sell them for under market? The rich players.

I think it just makes them to be really "Presents" for each Player. We can only open those Presents ourselves, but we can exchange or sell them (as High-Grade Material (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) ) after we've opened them.

This post has been edited by chjj30: Jan 8 2021, 12:16

I meant calling people greedy for selling them.

Imagine selling a present...one that you've not even opened

I've got HGW every Christmas and I'm grateful for it

This post has been edited by Shank: Jan 8 2021, 12:47

Imagine selling a present...one that you've not even opened

Money is the best present. Because, you know - you can buy something you actually want. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

But we aren't given money (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

But we aren't given money (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Every day, actually. As long as you have a Star. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Imagine exchanging the wrong size machine-knitted sweater for the right size machine-knitted sweater.

And technically, yes, we are given money. The trophy before it is shrined is a fungible commodity. Every one is alike, it was tradeable, and it has value. It is just as useable as a unit of currency as credits or hath. Imagine being given a hundred dollar bill and exchanging it for yen in smaller denominations because you're going to Japan. If you give it to the shrine, you're choosing to spend it at a particular store, one which conducts a lottery.

If the market is correctly valuing the trophies, the value in credits is equal to the expected value of shrining one. By exchanging one for credits, you are moving laterally, to something with equal value, but less variance.

By definition, it cannot be greed to exchange something for a thing of equal value. As for avoiding gambling, I would call it good sense.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Jan 8 2021, 15:28

It ain't going to prevent people from shrining them, then send the equips to other accounts.
But at least it'll be easier to detect multiaccounting I guess.

Note that the frontends for (live) HV have now been swapped over, let me know if you notice any sudden issues.

(And furthermore, if you RP that stuffers contain a pregenerated item selected for you by a person, then you can't salvage it. You're socially obligated to keep all of those useless items forever and wear them whenever Aunt Snowflake comes visiting.)

It ain't going to prevent people from shrining them, then send the equips to other accounts.
But at least it'll be easier to detect multiaccounting I guess.

Nope. Its the contrary, actually.

It's easier to track suspect exchanges of Stuffers without reasonable credits exchange (and viceversa), even semi-automatically.

So, if the reason behind the decision is ONLY to make it easier to detect and/or discourage multiaccounting, i think it is a failure in the making.

Besides, you all always lament the state of the market, compared to a semi-mythical "golden age" ; but this is just the kind of move that its killing it more and more. And maybe THIS is the true motivation behind the move (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Money is the best present. Because, you know - you can buy something you actually want. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

As he says. When I was lower levels, I sold the trophies to have some credits to buy what I needed; now that I have more resources, I became a buyer, effectively giving them back to other poor beginning players.

It was an effective way to re-balance the game between starters and old-hands, while giving one more (very little) chance for better equip precisely to those players that could use them more effectively; what if this extends to Easter trophies too ?

This comes from the mistaken thought that the state of the market is due to credits inflation. It isnt. It is due to DEFLATION, actually. And this move makes it worst, because effectively drains liquidity from a market whose problem is not the excess credits available, but the scarcity of good stuff and good reasons on which to use it.

Bad times ahead, mark my words (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I actually don't care much if Stuffer become untradable, i shrined the one, got nothing good, then decided to get the money to buy more useful things, it was possible so i have done it like a great amount of ither players.

If they becomeunsellable i'll shrine them and... probably never get something useful, taking away a little amount of my income, it bore me but is noth something to cry for.

But then, i'm a Catgirl, i also sold 7 Godl stars so i had a lot of income and every day i get a (barely) decent amount of crodits and hath (as i always say, it need to be increased for all donators but alas, i don't think this will never happen).

A little player with no way to spend money on the game and little time ti play will get an huge hit with this.

Maybe we counterbalance it by giving a greater number of gifts to at least increasea bit the chance of getting something good (like 10 Stuffer at level 1, deacreasing by 1 Stuffer each 100 levels and reaching 5 at level 500, when you have the greatest and most stable income).

This post has been edited by Maharid: Jan 8 2021, 16:41

Maybe we counterbalance it by giving a greater number of gifts to at least increasea bit the chance of getting something good (like 10 Stuffer at level 1, deacreasing by 1 Stuffer each 100 levels and reaching 5 at level 500, when you have the greatest and most stable income).

I don't think that's a good idea. The market already made everything lower than mags a salvage fuel and literally drowning in cheap legendaries. Even bazaar has a ton of legs on sale all the time. We don't need more.

Comparing it to bank notes as a gift? At the very best, it's comparable to a gift card, since as you put it it's only redeemable in one store, it's still only redeemable in one store even if you sell it. Incidentally, most gift cards generally aren't supposed to be traded for cash either

This post has been edited by Shank: Jan 8 2021, 17:06

Just to clarify, this only affects those specific recyclable event trophies (not the old unique ones), and you still have some time (week+, not hours) to trade them before the change actually takes effect, regardless of when 0.87 "initially" lands.

Thank you very much. Week+ is long enough for the market to reach some equilibrium and vague enough that it would be hard for people to abuse knowledge of a cut-off date.

I suppose 2021 Easter artifacts (ponyfeathers, hoarded supplies etc) will be tradeable but Easter rewards will not be?

Man, what a surprise... once again, you guys don't have a clue what's coming, but you're already up in arms about how it's going to kill the game, hurt everyone, hurt newbies especially, how it's going to make you poorer, etc etc...

Just wait and see. And then play the damn game and enjoy it. And if you don't enjoy it, quit, like others did before you... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Just wait and see. And then play the damn game and enjoy it. And if you don't enjoy it, quit, like others did before you... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Well, firstly - we've waited for three years. All we could do all this time was talking about it. I see no reason why the hell we can not do it now. Secondly - how about we decide what to do until we'll see the update without any smartass suggestions?

Stop taking anything being said about the game as personal insult for Christ sake, it's not Twitter.

Well, firstly - we've waited for three years. All we could do all this time was talking about it. I see no reason why the hell we can not do it now. Secondly - how about we decide what to do until we'll see the update without any smartass suggestions?

Stop taking anything being said about the game as personal insult for Christ sake, it's not Twitter.

But Scorpio...

People are being dumb on the internet! What else am I meant to do? Ignore them and go about my day? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

But Scorpio...

People are being dumb on the internet! What else am I meant to do? Ignore them and go about my day? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Dude, chill out and let people talk whatever they want - it won't blow up the frickin' servers or somethin', no need to whiteknight a bunch of pixels.

Dude, chill out and let people talk whatever they want - it won't blow up the frickin' servers or somethin', no need to whiteknight a bunch of pixels.

Nah, you're right, I should be better about just looking away and ignoring it. I like to chat here, though, so reading so much baseless bitchy posting irritates me sometimes. Isn't that understandable?

Well, gone are the days of long quote chains where I'd make myself look like a dick on a one-by-one basis, at least. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Nezu: Jan 8 2021, 20:14