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If you guys have stocking stuffers you're speculating on (or shrine fortunes, for whatever reason), you should sell them ASAP; they're becoming untradeable soon.

This shouldn't affect any other type of obsolete, so don't panic about those.

As for why shrine fortunes in particular: I guess we're expecting them to return?

I'll be returning HVMarket's stock to their owners before the update goes live, so don't worry about getting caught out there.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Jan 8 2021, 01:13

Nezu had the guts to ask me for demand a script update right after I said I quit.

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/a8GZMFL.png)

EDIT:
... and to tell me that I'll need to fix it after I posted the version.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Jan 8 2021, 01:39

If you guys have stocking stuffers you're speculating on (or shrine fortunes, for whatever reason), you should sell them ASAP; they're becoming untradeable soon.

This shouldn't affect any other type of obsolete, so don't panic about those.

As for why shrine fortunes in particular: I guess we're expecting them to return?

I'll be returning HVMarket's stock to their owners before the update goes live, so don't worry about getting caught out there.

Wouldn't the same also apply to other trophies of the same level and type like Assorted Coins or Grammar Nazi Armband? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Wouldn't the same also apply to other trophies of the same level and type like Assorted Coins or Grammar Nazi Armband? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

No, only those two were mentioned, and no exact reason was given, but it's likely that it doesn't matter because we won't be re-releasing Assorted Coins, Grammar Nazi Armbands etc. I don't think you need to worry about those.

No, only those two were mentioned, and no exact reason was given, but it's likely that it doesn't matter because we won't be re-releasing Assorted Coins, Grammar Nazi Armbands etc. I don't think you need to worry about those.

Thanks for answering. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So, there is no more time to sell using HVMarket?

If you guys have stocking stuffers you're speculating on (or shrine fortunes, for whatever reason), you should sell them ASAP; they're becoming untradeable soon.

This shouldn't affect any other type of obsolete, so don't panic about those.

As for why shrine fortunes in particular: I guess we're expecting them to return?

I'll be returning HVMarket's stock to their owners before the update goes live, so don't worry about getting caught out there.

Ok, what? Especially with the transparency of HVmarket it was good for fat cats as well for poor players™. Is it interaction with the Follower of Snowflake, or the game needs even more randomness somehow?(Yes, I know, you are not 10b, but that decision makes little sense to me)
(I am kinda bummed out because I've hoarded Stuffers for 4 years, and now I am entirely not sure how much I would be able to get for them in the panicked market).

This post has been edited by Paarfi: Jan 8 2021, 02:26

If you guys have stocking stuffers you're speculating on (or shrine fortunes, for whatever reason), you should sell them ASAP; they're becoming untradeable soon.

This shouldn't affect any other type of obsolete, so don't panic about those.

As for why shrine fortunes in particular: I guess we're expecting them to return?

I'll be returning HVMarket's stock to their owners before the update goes live, so don't worry about getting caught out there.

I did find the fact Shrine Fortunes had such a generic name odd. Looks like all the items given to everyone every year are being made untradable.

This post has been edited by sigo8: Jan 8 2021, 02:31

Thanks for answering. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So, there is no more time to sell using HVMarket?

Probably not, unless you lower the price to a point where someone wants to grab them cheap.

Ok, what? Especially with the transparency of HVmarket it was good for fat cats as well for poor players™. Is it interaction with the Follower of Snowflake, or the game needs even more randomness somehow?(Yes, I know, you are not 10b, but that decision makes little sense to me)
(I am kinda bummed out because I've hoarded Stuffers for 4 years, and now I am entirely not sure how much I would be able to get for them in the panicked market).

I have no idea where you got 'even more randomness' from. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

It's probably a combination of:

1) Every year, tons of scumbags try to multi-account the events to get free shit (of course they get banned, but it's not like items are rolled back if they're bought in good faith, so this still affects how many can go on the market)

2) They're just meant to be nice little extra things given to you so you can try your luck getting a nice equip, not a stimulus check for you to rub your hands together greedily and wonder how many free credits you can get out of them.

I did find the fact Shrine Fortunes had such a generic name odd. Looks like all the items given to everyone every year are being made untradable.

Presumably, yeah. Like I say, this won't affect old obsoletes, just ones that are going to be reused from the looks of it going forward. I note that the unique trophies (like the Annoying Gun) remain tradeable, probably so people can carry on collecting.

This does mean that untradeable items can have their rates adjusted in future without significantly affecting the economy, so it'll be interesting to see if we get tweaked rewards in future. But I don't know anything about that.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Jan 8 2021, 02:37

Probably not, unless you lower the price to a point where someone wants to grab them cheap.

I just did that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

It seems that 0.87 is comming soon...
Is there a test server before the update?

If you guys have stocking stuffers you're speculating on (or shrine fortunes, for whatever reason), you should sell them ASAP; they're becoming untradeable soon.

Can we get an estimated time for this to happen?

Like 3 days or 24 hrs... Or so? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

It seems that 0.87 is comming soon...
Is there a test server before the update?

There probably won't be a public test, no, but staff have been testing for bugs and oversights internally (on an old server, while we wait for the new ones to be assigned IPs by the host...).

For script-author purposes, there shouldn't be too much broken. Monsterbation still works fine, though Sicken may need to adjust some regex and update the drop processing part. HVUtils and Toolbox are going to be broken on a few pages; you will be able to easily work out what you need to change, but if you have any questions about exact mechanics of new features after release, please feel free to PM me as I may have already tested them.

Can we get an estimated time for this to happen?

Like 3 days or 24 hrs... Or so? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

There is no estimated release time because it's out of Tenboro's control - the code's done and has been for weeks, as he said earlier, but it's been delayed because 1) hardware delivery was delivered by 3 weeks and 2) now the host is slow on assigning IPs to the new servers. I'm not even willing to give a personal guess about it other than 'very soon'.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Jan 8 2021, 02:55

I have no idea where you got 'even more randomness' from. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Even more random difference between two players playing honestly but not optimizing 100%. One gets end-game equip other gets High-Grade mats. And yes, it will not affect me personally that much, I have a slow-but-steady stream of Hath. I still don't like it.

Even more random difference between two players playing honestly but not optimizing 100%. One gets end-game equip other gets High-Grade mats. And yes, it will not affect me personally that much, I have a slow-but-steady stream of Hath. I still don't like it.

Nobody likes any change. Learn to live with it or updates are going to be very painful for you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

But really, the stocking stuffer rolls you get from Christmas are equivalent to something like 3 days of DWD clear bonuses. Have you ever have an amazing endgame drop off those?... do you think those stocking stuffers really upset how much randomness there is by that much?

Maybe I was not hardcore enough (I am definitely not anymore) but I remember leveling up 100 to 300 being not exactly painful but tiresome. And 700k+ was A LOT back then.

And about "any change" you don't need to like the change to appreciate it's necessity (0.82, anyone?). I see no necessity behind account-locking Stuffers (though I may have been overconfident in my estimates of 10b's effectiveness in screening off multi-accounters)

This post has been edited by Paarfi: Jan 8 2021, 03:25

You said it yourself: 700K is a LOT for a low-level player. So it's attracting hordes of multi-accounters & making more work for the admin.

I'd guess the unique Christmas trophy will also be non-tradeable going forward since it's ~1.7M - 2M combined. This patch was intended to drop before this year's event, so it included the trophy change, and then the unique got commented out since it won't be relevant going forward, I'm thinking.

It's too bad because I always loved the incredible cruelty of it, that most people would be selling their Christmas presents because they needed the money. But I do see the necessity of it.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Jan 8 2021, 03:38

And about "any change" you don't need to like the change to appreciate it's necessity (0.82, anyone?). I see no necessity behind account-locking Stuffers (though I may have been overconfident in my estimates of 10b's effectiveness in screening off multi-accounters)

I'm still pretty confident, but we only know about the ones we do catch, so sometimes it's better to take a more systemic approach.

It's kind of an outlier among the other changes, so I'm not sure exactly what spurred this one on, but I'm sure Tenboro did consider it a necessity for whatever reason. I've given the points I can think of, but beyond that, you might have to just trust him.

This post has been edited by Nezu: Jan 8 2021, 03:48

There probably won't be a public test, no, but staff have been testing for bugs and oversights internally (on an old server, while we wait for the new ones to be assigned IPs by the host...).

For script-author purposes, there shouldn't be too much broken.

Thank you for your answer. I'll just wait.

Monsterbation still works fine, though Sicken may need to adjust some regex and update the drop processing part.

Hmm, I guess it's about Innate Arcana...

Just to clarify, this only affects those specific recyclable event trophies (not the old unique ones), and you still have some time (week+, not hours) to trade them before the change actually takes effect, regardless of when 0.87 "initially" lands.

2) They're just meant to be nice little extra things given to you so you can try your luck getting a nice equip, not a stimulus check for you to rub your hands together greedily and wonder how many free credits you can get out of them.

I really don't like this way of characterizing it. HV is a game, and it's a game of increasing your numbers as efficiently as possible. For poor players, selling the stocking stuffers is the correct strategy. You get a consistent, predictable and significant amount of credits instead of an overwhelming probability of blowing it all. The only people who should be shrining them are the rich players who can buy 25-50+ so the odds average out. And who wins if the poor players sell them for under market? The rich players.