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FYI: there would be basically no bandwidth usage on audiovisual feedback; a very small amount would be used to transfer some small sound files, which would be cached by the user's browser, and pretty much any visual effect could be achieved through Javascript and CSS. The bandwidth usage would likely be smaller than what is currently expended on the game's icons for spells, buffs and monster letters.

Re: balance discussion, there's a couple things to respond to.

Inflation is a problem in HV, but unlike tabletop RPGs, online video games are often self-regulating through several mechanisms: the primary one is the assumption of an expanding playerbase (new players, or new characters, act as new demand), another would be credit sinks (on HV presently: only the 1% gp/hath exchange tax and trainings), and a third would be hoarding (collectors holding onto either large sums of money or very valuable items, essentially taking them out of the economy).

It's true that the playerbase is not expanding at a rate that actually affects the regular economy in this way, but there's really a second effect causing that: at mid-high level, almost everyone is funnelled into the same playstyle (mage), so while most melee goods fall in value, many mage goods appreciate. Gear is a slight exception to this, where most equips fall in value... except elec, wind and holy gear in particular (again, same effect - most people move into these elements rather than fire/cold/dark).

One might think that balancing the styles would fix inflation in this regard - more desire for melee gear in particular would be good to stabilize prices... a little. But if things were perfectly balanced, likely all equips would fall in value, because there just isn't enough demand through new players (who are forced to acquire equips for progression), none through new characters (multiple accounts not allowed), and not enough through hoarders (limited resources mean only the very richest will bother acquiring sets for multiple playstyles, besides new players experimenting with cheap gear). Reducing drop rate even further would just be masochistic, though. It's a difficult problem to address without making gear untradeable or giving it a limited lifespan in some way.

You suggested death costing equips - I think in the current iteration of HV, such a modification would kill the game stone dead. It takes many months to even buy good equipment - not due to resources, but because they simply don't drop often enough for a steady supply of specific equipment to appear on the market. Then it takes a ridiculous amount to fully upgrade it (somewhere around 250m for a full mage set currently) - that kind of money is equivalent to somewhere around $300 at current star prices, and through daily arena play only, it would take many, many years to accumulate that kind of capital if not for very, very lucky drops.

A little while ago, mods teamed up to summarise the current state of the game and make a reference of HV's biggest issues available to Tenboro. We broke it down to five major points: credit inflation, rising monster difficulty, the monster power level curve in battle, forge material scarcity, and melee balance. I won't go into too many details - I really don't feel like getting into arguments over people's opinions on these things, we already have a 700-page suggestion thread full of 'buff my account, and nerf everyone else's plz' type posts. But I can say that admin is aware of these major issues at the very least, and that things I consider fixes for some of them were already planned years ago (before even the current patch).

First of all, thank you for giving thought to a newbie’s ponderings. I am not seriously trying to get any changes implemented; I’m little more than another casual player who wanted to share some observations. Lestion, I truly appreciate the way you are trying to break down the mysteries of Hentaiverse for me. (The same goes for certain other people, including Angaver, who have done it elsewhere.)

I really don't feel like getting into arguments over people's opinions on these things

Invisible Pink Unicorn save my soul if I stirred up a major argument of that sort in this community! But I was really happy to read what you shared.

Inflation is a problem in HV, but unlike tabletop RPGs, online video games are often self-regulating through several mechanisms

we already have a 700-page suggestion thread full of 'buff my account, and nerf everyone else's plz' type posts

All I can say in my defense is that I am not primarily interested in a scenario where I get richer. More like, I would be enthusiastic to keep playing even if my real income per battle dropped by 50% but at the same time the game could provide a fuller illusion of a fantasy world, especially with a logical explanation regarding where all the stuff actually comes from and where it ends up. Psychologically, being able to sell a higher percentage of drops to real people or even just virtual NPCs who actually use them for something would be a great plus, but that in itself says nothing about the price level. I am quite used to the idea that "normal" fantasy worlds are full of poor people who have never even seen a gold coin.

In other words, the gist of my essay is: If Hentaiverse was greatly modified to fight inflation, what would be the best way to strengthen in-world "realism" in the progress? Do we even want that to happen? If not, what are the reasonings behind that? If yes, what are the likely pitfalls?

As for losing gear, do you mean actual worn gear, or gear dropped during the battle? Both are horrible ideas, but the former specifically is horrendous

If it was the former,
Perhaps many users will dislike it and quit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

If we talk in-world "realism", the logical choice would of course be both. "What, you are still alive, with all your limbs and all your skills, and you are not happy?!"

But of course I realize that penalties too harsh compared to players' time and money input make no sense. What Taro says above, I worded it myself like this:

I have no easy fix in mind, and if I had one, I would probably advise against implementing it. It would change the foundations of the game so drastically that it would lead to an in-world economical chaos, and probably to several dedicated players leaving for good. I do not wish to see that.

Angaver’s comment about attribute penalties is good:

Attributes wouldn't work with the current system as you stop gaining spending exp at 500

Of course, that is only a question of how much one wishes to tweak the system or the penalties themselves.

For instance, the attributes could go down and then regenerate slowly after each death – albeit so slowly that for a low-level player it would make more sense to grind extra experience than to just stand and wait. For a high-level player, having to abstain from the hardest challenges for a bit could be a healthy reminder of a few things, but that is just my opinion.

This post has been edited by Katajanmarja: Oct 13 2020, 14:55

what would be the best way to strengthen in-world "realism" in the progress? Do we even want that to happen? If not, what are the reasonings behind that?

Realism = too much mindspace IMO
I think you miss how much people (i am the people here yeah) enjoy braindead side of HV. You know like old school 8-bit vertical shooters (Zanac, yamaha MSX... good times good times...).

I think you miss how much people (i am the people here yeah) enjoy braindead side of HV. You know like old school 8-bit vertical shooters (Zanac, yamaha MSX... good times good times...).

Yup, that’s very likely. There’s a reason why I jumped at the chance of abandoning videogames altogether when I was younger and somebody introduced me to tabletop RPing. Not only because videogames tended to be boring for me – also because I was bad at playing most of them. Later, I gradually returned to videogames as I realized that a single-player strategy game can actually be more hooking than a poorly planned RPG session. Even if one is not especially good at playing!

There’s a lot in the world of gaming that just does not speak to me at all, and I am not seriously expecting anyone to adjust Hentaiverse to my personal needs if I’m alone with my thoughts. But online chatting like this can still be fun.

Also, I think that realism is better off with quotation marks. Those who maintain that fantasy is "meant to be unrealistic" are not completely wrong. But be it a game, a comic, or a book, I usually crave complexity for the fictional world – the illusion that it is "realistic" according to its own inner logic and swarming with life.

Against this background, I am finding it fascinating that Hentaiverse has been able to get me hooked in the first place. The people who have participated in designing it and its relation to the rest of the E‑hentai community deserve more than a little respect. It has been a huge undertaking.

This post has been edited by Katajanmarja: Oct 13 2020, 14:59

The entire active playerbase is basically getting somewhere around 20 stocking stuffers over the duration of this event based on admin's numbers - so basically Christmas on steroids. Plus they're actually gonna get shrined since they're untradable. I think there should be a good auction next week, yeah.

That said, I expect a ton of people to shrine them on stupid shit, like 2H weapons and heavy armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I guess everyone shrined them on stupid things, the auctions are no better than usual so far. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

A little help here, I would like to know if you think that in the current market this would attract the attention of some buyers:

Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Heimdall

The other detail would be to know if it is safe to send this to auction, or to carry out the auction myself, I comment because there I saw a comment about that sometimes it is not a good idea to auction some equipment yourself.

A little help here, I would like to know if you think that in the current market this would attract the attention of some buyers:

Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Heimdall

The other detail would be to know if it is safe to send this to auction, or to carry out the auction myself, I comment because there I saw a comment about that sometimes it is not a good idea to auction some equipment yourself.

You should send it to Superlatanium next week and cross your fingers, or list it in a shop.

You know, I forgot to tell you that this was not a 100% complete victory, since it is true that I broke the scheme of the probabilities that my first Radiant Phase equipment would appear right after you explained how unlikely it is to get one , Anyway you won me again with respect to something ... I wanted to keep it a secret ... but ... since:

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That's right, I got this gear in a Random Encounter, checking once again that your stats are 100% accurate certainly when it comes to RE.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And to think that I would not be doing RE, if I had not partially withdrawn from this.

[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&s...mp;lottery=2397

Today's lottery. Is it part of any end-game build?

[alt.hentaiverse.org] http://alt.hentaiverse.org/?s=Bazaar&s...mp;lottery=2397

Today's lottery. Is it part of any end-game build?

Sort of, yeah.

Holy mage has an interesting super-endgame distinction where running it with 4 phase + 1 cotton (robe) becomes better than the standard 3 phase + 2 cotton (gloves + shoes)... at 590+ prof, assuming you have a PHOH, or at least an LHOH with absurdly high proficiency.

But while that's been commonly acknowledged now, most people seem to massively underestimate how much play we're talking about to get your prof that high - like, to the tune of 6000+ full PFUDOR grindfests (starting at 500, with assimilator 25, GS, every exp training/perk). Even catgirl only halves this number to 3000+. It's simple not something the vast majority of players are ever going to achieve without years of consistent play.

3+2 performs extremely well, despite the EDB/MDB difference. So for most holy mages, this is still their ultimate shoe slot. But there's one more thing to note - 3+2 doesn't actually struggle that much to hit 1.0 prof, after which prof is wasted. So they're okay with fairly low prof rolls on their shoes. The main benefit to this peerless is survivability and a tiny tiny bit more MDB from int/wis.

Also, it makes your dick bigger.

Sort of, yeah.

Holy mage has an interesting super-endgame distinction where running it with 4 phase + 1 cotton (robe) becomes better than the standard 3 phase + 2 cotton (gloves + shoes)... at 590+ prof, assuming you have a PHOH, or at least an LHOH with absurdly high proficiency.

But while that's been commonly acknowledged now, most people seem to massively underestimate how much play we're talking about to get your prof that high - like, to the tune of 6000+ full PFUDOR grindfests (starting at 500, with assimilator 25, GS, every exp training/perk). Even catgirl only halves this number to 3000+. It's simple not something the vast majority of players are ever going to achieve without years of consistent play.

3+2 performs extremely well, despite the EDB/MDB difference. So for most holy mages, this is still their ultimate shoe slot. But there's one more thing to note - 3+2 doesn't actually struggle that much to hit 1.0 prof, after which prof is wasted. So they're okay with fairly low prof rolls on their shoes. The main benefit to this peerless is survivability and a tiny tiny bit more MDB from int/wis.

Also, it makes your dick bigger.

I see, so it's basically my e-peen is bigger than yours lol

This post has been edited by Visadio: Oct 19 2020, 20:44

I think I'm going to be banned from Superlatanium auctions for life, but I'm going to withdraw the Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Heimdall from the MM I send.

The auction is about to end, and they have not even reached half the price for which this equipment was valued.

I suggest that from now on, so that the same thing that happened to me does not happen to you, because the HV market is currently terribly bad, do not trust yourself and put a minimum starting price on your equipment, so that it is not undersold for few credits. Prefer to keep your equipment with great value, if there is no one who can pay the minimum they are worth.

At the moment I'm only going to wait 4 more hours before removing the equipment from the auction. I would put up with this being sold out if I had a Gold star and credits to waste, but I don't have them, so I prefer to keep something that is worth a lot and at the moment cannot sell, than to lose a lot of credits just for the sake of it.

This post has been edited by Arkoniusx: Oct 24 2020, 08:37

I think I'm going to be banned from Superlatanium auctions for life, but I'm going to withdraw the Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Heimdall from the MM I send.

The auction is about to end, and they have not even reached half the price for which this equipment was valued.

I suggest that from now on, so that the same thing that happened to me does not happen to you, because the HV market is currently terribly bad, do not trust yourself and put a minimum starting price on your equipment, so that it is not undersold for few credits. Prefer to keep your equipment with great value, if there is no one who can pay the minimum they are worth.

At the moment I'm only going to wait 4 more hours before removing the equipment from the auction. I would put up with this being sold out if I had a Gold star and credits to waste, but I don't have them, so I prefer to keep something that is worth a lot and at the moment cannot sell, than to lose a lot of credits just for the sake of it.

i understand that you find the result so far disappointing. However, I doubt that you'll ever get a better price for the item. The current meta is changing a bit, away from holy. Just a bit, but enough to make the prices a bit lower than let's say half a year ago. It's a fair market price that you'll be getting.

I strongly recommend you not to withdraws those gloves from auction. You'd be quite unfair to other players, and this will lead to some raised eyebrows within the community and the mod team as well.

also, auctions work in such a principle: when you send an item, you basically agree you will be fine with whatever price you'll earn from bidders. if not, just set a starting price.

past that, you have basically no claims on ending price, regardless you like it or not

i understand that you find the result so far disappointing. However, I doubt that you'll ever get a better price for the item. The current meta is changing a bit, away from holy. Just a bit, but enough to make the prices a bit lower than let's say half a year ago. It's a fair market price that you'll be getting.

I strongly recommend you not to withdraws those gloves from auction. You'd be quite unfair to other players, and this will lead to some raised eyebrows within the community and the mod team as well.

Look, seriously, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, but I have no choice.

Practically I am no longer playing this and with what happened in this auction, it is definitive that I totally withdraw from playing this because there is no longer a market.

Imagine Lestion explaining a month ago how difficult it is to get something like what I got, so that later on I just have to put up with the consequences of the current situation and just watch this get wasted? As I mentioned earlier, I prefer that Superlatanium ban me from their auctions forever.

The one who is buying this has much more credits than I do, so he will be able to buy similar equipment at some other time, in my case I will no longer be able to buy anything.

By the way, in previous auctions the equipments of this suffix were sold for a minimum quantity of 80M, the only one that sold for 30M were exactly gloves, but they had 49% EDB and were level 500, and I'm sure they don't compare. to these.

Once again I apologize, especially to the poor that I am going to indirectly affect, because I sent another piece to auction and just now someone came to bid for it, and well I will have to withdraw both because I will not be getting into bigger problems than Superlatanium, I would totally look like an asshole saying:

"I removed a piece of equipment from the auction because I no liked the final sale price, but another that I send if it was sold at the correct price, could you give me the credits I obtained for that?"

Well, I have to go and think about what to do now that I already have time available thanks to the consequences that all this will entail.

you really withdrew the gloves huh

you really withdrew the gloves huh

he withdrew both items, clo01 and clo03. Bidders will be angry, and rightly so.

clo03 is on moogle now

I think I'm going to be banned from Superlatanium auctions for life, but I'm going to withdraw the Legendary Radiant Phase Gloves of Heimdall from the MM I send.

The auction is about to end, and they have not even reached half the price for which this equipment was valued.

I suggest that from now on, so that the same thing that happened to me does not happen to you, because the HV market is currently terribly bad, do not trust yourself and put a minimum starting price on your equipment, so that it is not undersold for few credits. Prefer to keep your equipment with great value, if there is no one who can pay the minimum they are worth.

Your move is wrong, for the following reason :

YOU have decided to put it on auction, instead of setting up your own WTS (aka 'shop').

YOU have decided to NOT put a starting price for it.

That means YOU were preferring to run the risk of not getting a "fair" price (whatever that is, if it even exist), rather then running either the risk of not selling it (due to high start price) or the risk of having to wait a long time before selling it (like it happens in WTS) while it (possibly) devalues even further.

Instread, you prefer to play safe for yourself, lesaving all the risks on the buyers.

I CALL THIS UNFAIR, not the bids you got.

I have nothing against you personally, mind you; I could even sympathize with your predicament.

But you should also think what would happen if this kind of behaviour becomes commonplace ; think what the market would become then ... not like it is now, but so much worse, that you wouldn't believe it.

For my part, if I ever will run a auction for others, I'll put in the rules that they have to send the equips first and after the auction starts noone can recall anything; and I'd like for the others auctioneers to do the same in their rules.

For my part, if I ever will run a auction for others, I'll put in the rules that they have to send the equips first and after the auction starts noone can recall anything; and I'd like for the others auctioneers to do the same in their rules.

That's exactly what I do, just saying.