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post Jul 18 2020, 09:14
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QUOTE(Arkoniusx @ Jul 18 2020, 02:31) *

A correct evaluation, for those who still had doubts that I do know about the value of certain equipment.

One right doesn't cancel dozens of wrongs.

Atfer shooting thousands of arrows relentlessly, most of them failing to hit the target at all, the blind man eventually hits the bullseye of the target. He then felt a great sense of achievement, graduating from being the worst archer to the greatest of all times. All the previous arrows do not matter, only the last one does.
Now everyone is watching the blind, greatest archer of all times: will his next arrow hit the bullseye too?

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post Jul 20 2020, 05:16
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what should i do now that i am 2 Dawn of a New Day away from level 500?


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post Jul 20 2020, 07:36
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jul 20 2020, 05:16) *

what should i do now that i am 2 Dawn of a New Day away from level 500?

Now you can try to get 550 proficiency for your style. Also you won't have to soulfuse lv500 equipment anymore. Nice moment to switch to playing mage style. But first, wait 2 days!
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post Jul 20 2020, 08:02
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jul 20 2020, 07:36) *

Now you can try to get 550 proficiency for your style.
You mean 600 right? Because otherwise, i have a lot of questions about my own prof numbers.

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post Jul 23 2020, 05:40
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) WOW! Nekki has just completed my collection of ethereal rapiers, as you can see; I already own one of the Vampire, Banshee, Battle-caster and Illithid suffix:

Legendary Ethereal Rapier of the Banshee

Legendary Ethereal Rapier of the Battlecaster

Legendary Ethereal Rapier of the Illithid

Legendary Ethereal Rapier of the Vampire

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Thank you very much Nekki, I think that if I should change in the future for a better one, it is the rapier of the Illithid, I do not remember who sold it to me and if it was of a higher level than the one I had when I bought it, which I do remember is that it came out very cheap and that I Soulfue with it to make the IW faster.

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post Jul 23 2020, 16:14
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) something very strange in Eternal Darkness arena. You may know about the boundary effect for spells, if you imperil the top monstr A it will target A B and C. Like the imperil bounces off the top edge. This doesn't happen when targeting the last monste at the bottom. However, in Eternal Darkness, this does seem to work on the first 80 rounds! Those rounds only have 3 monsters. When I imperil monster C, all three are hit! That shouldn't happen?! Only found this effects on these early rounds in Eternal Darkness.

I'm using latest monsterbation on mobile and imperil by tapping the monster bar icon.
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post Jul 23 2020, 16:34
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jul 23 2020, 14:14) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) something very strange in Eternal Darkness arena. You may know about the boundary effect for spells, if you imperil the top monstr A it will target A B and C. Like the imperil bounces off the top edge. This doesn't happen when targeting the last monste at the bottom. However, in Eternal Darkness, this does seem to work on the first 80 rounds! Those rounds only have 3 monsters. When I imperil monster C, all three are hit! That shouldn't happen?! Only found this effects on these early rounds in Eternal Darkness.

I'm using latest monsterbation on mobile and imperil by tapping the monster bar icon.

... it's only now that you noticed that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Every spell that can hit the entire party, will hit the entire party, whatever your initial target is.
The only thing that I have never paid attention to and I ignore, is whether it is your initial target that will be taken into account for coaslesced mana, or the center of the spell's effective AoE.
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post Jul 23 2020, 20:17
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 23 2020, 16:34) *

... it's only now that you noticed that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Every spell that can hit the entire party, will hit the entire party, whatever your initial target is.
The only thing that I have never paid attention to and I ignore, is whether it is your initial target that will be taken into account for coaslesced mana, or the center of the spell's effective AoE.

I didn't know that 😳
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post Jul 23 2020, 21:39
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QUOTE(DJNoni) *
something very strange in Eternal Darkness arena. You may know about the boundary effect for spells, if you imperil the top monstr A it will target A B and C. Like the imperil bounces off the top edge. This doesn't happen when targeting the last monste at the bottom. However, in Eternal Darkness, this does seem to work on the first 80 rounds! Those rounds only have 3 monsters. When I imperil monster C, all three are hit!

Weird, I didn't know this either. Also works in the initial portion of End of Days 110 and DwD, as well as Road Less Traveled 15 and Rolling Stone 20, as long as there are 3 monsters total. I'm using regular firefox and imperil with the default mouse wheel up script setting.

Now I wonder what is the general rule for attack magics (as well as melee skills) that have 4 or more targets?

QUOTE(decondelite) *
Every spell that can hit the entire party, will hit the entire party, whatever your initial target is.

Hmm so maybe the general rule is just this, plus "reflection" only at the top otherwise?

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post Jul 24 2020, 02:58
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Probably a small optimisation that stops the server having to calculate which targets should be hit based on the center of a spell if there's equal or less than the maximum number of targets.
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post Jul 25 2020, 04:35
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Simple question: how to play the DW style? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I played a few times, always applying Frenzied Blows as many times as possible, without activating spirit stance. The results were not as satisfactory as I expected. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I also tried to use FUS RO DAH in the same way, but it was even worse. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

I would like to know, of those who play or have played in the DW style, if I am doing something very wrong or if it would just be a matter of lack of habit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)
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post Jul 25 2020, 06:37
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jul 25 2020, 03:35) *

Simple question: how to play the DW style? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I played a few times, always applying Frenzied Blows as many times as possible, without activating spirit stance. The results were not as satisfactory as I expected. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I also tried to use FUS RO DAH in the same way, but it was even worse. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

I would like to know, of those who play or have played in the DW style, if I am doing something very wrong or if it would just be a matter of lack of habit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)


PM lololo (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

When I played DW, I used OFC as often as possible. I'm not sure spirit stance is worth it for frenzied blows - toggling on and off takes 2 turns, and even toggling on and leaving it on is an extra turn for every FB...

You are using imperil, right?
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post Jul 25 2020, 06:40
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imperil and attack one by one if you don't have enough oc
imp + fb
imp + ss + fb if many monsters resist the spell or if there's a sg
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post Jul 25 2020, 21:55
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Great, there's a crowd funding thread to fix the equipment ranges! If you haven't chipped in yet, please do!

This is how:
1. Post in the pinned thread, say how much you want to contribute. Any amount is fine.
2. Moogle mail that amount to decondelite
3. Wait until someone accepts the bounty
4. Enjoy the fixed equipment ranges!

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post Jul 25 2020, 22:00
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QUOTE(lestion @ Jul 25 2020, 01:37) *

PM lololo (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


I thought about doing that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) But I preferred to make an open request, to learn about different ways to play DW. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

QUOTE(lestion @ Jul 25 2020, 01:37) *

When I played DW, I used OFC as often as possible. I'm not sure spirit stance is worth it for frenzied blows - toggling on and off takes 2 turns, and even toggling on and leaving it on is an extra turn for every FB...


Someday I do tests using OFC. Initially I was disregarding this option due to the difficulty in reloading the overcharge.

QUOTE(lestion @ Jul 25 2020, 01:37) *

You are using imperil, right?


All the time, from the first to the last round (the same way I play 1H).

QUOTE(lololo16 @ Jul 25 2020, 01:40) *

imperil and attack one by one if you don't have enough oc
imp + fb
imp + ss + fb if many monsters resist the spell or if there's a sg


Interesting. I usually randomly attack all monsters. I will try to use spirit stance against SGs.

Thank you both for the tips. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jul 25 2020, 22:05
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jul 25 2020, 22:00) *

to learn about different ways to play DW. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Remember the famous quote from wargames?
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The only winning move is not to play.

It is the same for DW. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 26 2020, 09:53
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Wow, the crowd funding bounty is over 30m already! I forgot who did the previous api, perhaps we should notify him?
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post Jul 26 2020, 11:00
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jul 25 2020, 23:00) *


All the time, from the first to the last round (the same way I play 1H).
Interesting. I usually randomly attack all monsters. I will try to use spirit stance against SGs.

Thank you both for the tips. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


In fact, you use imperil wrongly, depending on what kind of challenge you do, you should or shouldn't use Imperil.

For example, in the last 3 challenges of the arena you use imperil constantly on all the enemies that are in each round, in the IW you use imperil only in a part of them, preferably half when they are 7, and when they are 9 onwards You should only usually have 2 enemies that are not affected by the imperil to reload all your points from the spirit bar, and the grinfest is more or less the same, only you should keep in mind that here you go to spend more mp and you will have to be using potions even more continuously than in the IW. And this is if you don't play with the FUS RO DAH skill, with it it is already a totally different strategy.

By the way, if you already have enough attack and a reasonable defense, in the other challenges of the Arena that are not the last 3, you no longer need to use imperil in the least, it is more; sometimes it is counterproductive to use it, because if you kill Too fast to the enemies in a certain round and you did not reload the points of the spirit bar properly, you are going to take longer to recharge them and you are also going to put on a brake on yourself, and your going to take longer to finish that challenge.

The main thing is to always bring the spirit points in each battle to the maximum and go spending them equally to recover them so that you can be using Frenzy blows or FUS RO DAH, in each battle.

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post Jul 26 2020, 11:38
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jul 26 2020, 07:53) *

Wow, the crowd funding bounty is over 30m already! I forgot who did the previous api, perhaps we should notify him?

Alrerady done. But since email notifications for PMs have been disabled, we'll have to rely on luck for the next time he cdrops by. I believe he will see it, since his last time active was barely more than 1 week ago.
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post Jul 29 2020, 21:13
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Saw a Legendary Reinforced Leather Breastplate of Deflection in my soulfuse range, in the Bazaar. Thought it might be interesting, checked the stats with the Percentiles script on...
Damage Mitigations -> Piercing -2% (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
"Ah, so that's why it was baazar'd. Never mind then." But I found it funny nonetheless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Couldn't get the actual stats 'cause it was deleted by the time I deactivated the script and reloaded, but here's a screen of all stats percentiles:
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