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post Feb 1 2020, 16:52
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 1 2020, 15:23) *

I'm also surprised I wasn't outbid considering that there are nearly 45M worth of materials/IW there.

One may argue that the remaining part may or may not be worth the difference (11.65m)


QUOTE(lestion @ Feb 1 2020, 15:28) *

do people really think mystic is that bad?

Take a plain phase. Remove mitigation. Here's mystic. There's a reason people do not even consider annihilator a good potency (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 30 2020, 14:14) *

[One01] Peerless Fiery Rapier of Slaughter (500, ADB 100%) (seller: in memory) SPoison 20m #124 Extend to 14:11; winning for 31.4h / 48.2h; -0.3%
[One03] Legendary Shocking Rapier of Slaughter (396, ADB 95%) (seller: 2213032) sa4jjb 5.15m Proxy bid after #97; winning for 8.0h / 48.6h; +2.7%


The shocking was basically peerless, though the name carries (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Also, the fact super started omitting relevant stats from weapons in his auctions may or may not have contributed too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 1 2020, 17:09
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Feb 1 2020, 15:52) *

Take a plain phase. Remove mitigation. Here's mystic. There's a reason people do not even consider annihilator a good potency (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

How about no?
Mystic prefix gives around a third the radiant bonus, which is still pretty significant.
It's less consistent though.

Annihilator is also better than archmage for non-destruction staves.

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post Feb 1 2020, 17:21
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 1 2020, 23:23) *

I'm also surprised I wasn't outbid considering that there are nearly 45M worth of materials/IW there.


There are 33m worth of materials (with my mat prices)


QUOTE(lestion @ Feb 1 2020, 23:28) *

So am I. You got a really nice deal... do people really think mystic is that bad? The only thing that will be better than those shoes is a very strong radiant legendary, or peerless radiant...



Peerless Mystic is undervalued and fairly good, but it is still worse than a nice Legendary Radiant.

Its firepower is worse than my shoes

If it were Pants, I would bought it... at 80m.


QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 2 2020, 00:09) *

Annihilator is also better than archmage for non-destruction staves.


Annihilator is a little better than archmage for destruction staves too, in terms of a magic-score.

But as you said, 'crit' is less consistent...

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post Feb 1 2020, 17:35
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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Feb 1 2020, 16:21) *

There are 33m worth of materials (with my mat prices)

Right, I think I added the CP value two times when I calculated by hand (I definitely should install HVUtils at work (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )

And yeah, above average radiants are better, but they don't go for less than 40M (probably more, but I guess shoes are cheaper in general?) and require nearly 5M worth of additional materials (since you need to forge MDB) if you stop at forge level 50.

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post Feb 1 2020, 17:37
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Feb 1 2020, 15:52) *

Also, the fact super started omitting relevant stats from weapons in his auctions may or may not have contributed too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

i still consider the blind trust in the exasperation of stats given by percentile script one of the biggest causes of market finickiness.

if one doesn't realize the difference between, saying, a 100 and a 70% ADB roll is only bragging rights and doesn't really mean so much in everyday's gameplay, he deserves to pay a bunch of millions more.
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post Feb 1 2020, 19:03
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Talking about magic score: I consider that thing to be bullshit. Between two setups with the same magic score, the one with the higher MDB*EDB will be better, simply because it's more consistent and reliable.
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post Feb 1 2020, 19:36
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Feb 1 2020, 18:03) *

Talking about magic score: I consider that thing to be bullshit. Between two setups with the same magic score, the one with the higher MDB*EDB will be better, simply because it's more consistent and reliable.

It depends, for Ring of Blood and partially for schoolgirl arenas magic score is a better metric than MDB*EDB.
For imperil arena play MDB*EDB is way better, for no imperil probably a mix of the two would be ideal.
For PFUDORFest unless you factor in cast speed they are both bad metrics.

It depends what you play the most.
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post Feb 1 2020, 20:17
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Feb 2 2020, 02:03) *

Talking about magic score: I consider that thing to be bullshit. Between two setups with the same magic score, the one with the higher MDB*EDB will be better, simply because it's more consistent and reliable.


This is a common misconception by people who have never played or studied a mage.

There are a few playstyles and settings.

1. Imperil play on GF: Imperiled monsters got killed by one critical (blast) shot without additional crit damage. So the actual performance of Mystic/Annihilator is low.

2. Non-Imperil on GF: It takes a few magic attacks to kill them. The higher the magic-score, the better.

3. Imperil or non-Imperil on SG Arenas: Basically the same as above.


Anyway, Radiant is better than Mystic in terms of consistent as well as magic-score, and I prefer Archmage to Annihilator.

It would be nice if Mystic/Annihilator increases a crit chance instead of a crit damage...

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post Feb 1 2020, 22:10
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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Feb 1 2020, 18:17) *

This is a common misconception by people who have never played or studied a mage.

There are a few playstyles and settings.

1. Imperil play on GF: Imperiled monsters got killed by one critical (blast) shot without additional crit damage. So the actual performance of Mystic/Annihilator is low.

2. Non-Imperil on GF: It takes a few magic attacks to kill them. The higher the magic-score, the better.

3. Imperil or non-Imperil on SG Arenas: Basically the same as above.
Anyway, Radiant is better than Mystic in terms of consistent as well as magic-score, and I prefer Archmage to Annihilator.

It would be nice if Mystic/Annihilator increases a crit chance instead of a crit damage...


Or both... though I do not think even that would be good enough to make people want to use Focus staffs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Feb 1 2020, 22:24
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 31 2020, 20:43) *

Twilight Spargle would say: patience, Pinky, good thinks come to those who wait

That made me laugh so hard until I realized you meant Pinkie Pie. I think. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'm sick of scripts so I'll keep waiting, Twilight Spargle.
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post Feb 2 2020, 01:11
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the mere fact you have to use so many parameters to describe a single playstyle in different occasions means that style is quite lacking and incomplete.


scorpio, wherst art thou? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Feb 2 2020, 02:06
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 2 2020, 00:11) *

the mere fact you have to use so many parameters to describe a single playstyle in different occasions means that style is quite lacking and incomplete.
scorpio, wherst art thou? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


In the meanwhile, I'll perform the summoning.

QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ May 20 2014, 15:48) *

Mages are gay


edit: better if with the original quote

QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Jan 14 2013, 08:15) *

That's absolutely fair. Mages are gay and must suffer. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)



(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Feb 2 2020, 21:25
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can i use this thread to advertise my initiative? if not - delete this.

i want collect some lowtier stuff but i no longer want to play on the lower difficulty
so what about if rookies do it for me? for a fee, of course

in my WTB i already post some offers, then there will be more
3k for average club - not a big deal for me, but nice little bonus for newbie
and rarities will be more expensive, for example i offer 5k for battlecaster
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post Feb 2 2020, 23:41
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update your sig, dude
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post Feb 3 2020, 13:24
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 2 2020, 02:11) *
scorpio, wherst art thou? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Feb 2 2020, 03:06) *
In the meanwhile, I'll perform the summoning.

I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED.

God’s in his Heaven… Mages are gay.

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post Feb 3 2020, 13:29
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I did say it before and i shall say it again.
QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Nov 21 2019, 17:27) *

Uruguay. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
I have spoken. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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post Feb 3 2020, 14:46
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Gay, straight, what does it matter?

Most members of this forum aren't getting any anyway. Whether you're not getting any male or female ass, we're all basically in the same boat.

HV has very little actual penetration, even with 5 levels of penetrator on your hard wooden rod of destruction. So there's no risk, just roleplay along and play as Lbgti-friendly mage! Why? DWD at pfudor under 10 min. Saves you 10 minutes per day to actually talk to a person of the sex you're interested in.

Get laid, go mage.
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post Feb 3 2020, 14:52
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Feb 3 2020, 13:46) *
Get laid, go mage.

Rimmer?

Yes, ma'am?

Have sex with someone and that's an order.

Yes, ma'am. Right away, ma'am.

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post Feb 3 2020, 18:33
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holy mage is gay, cold mage is cool
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post Feb 3 2020, 18:33
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QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Feb 3 2020, 12:24) *

I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED.

God’s in his Heaven… Mages are gay.

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R'Amen.
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