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post Dec 1 2019, 06:00
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Dec 1 2019, 04:34) *

a 91%~100% non-savage than a 70%~75% savage, which would probably cost the same thing, and would have basically the same performance

If that was true, nobody would go for savage.
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post Dec 1 2019, 07:17
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Dec 1 2019, 01:00) *

If that was true, nobody would go for savage.


Well, that was just a guess. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Since until today I have not seen anyone comparing a full set of savage versus non-savage, I believe the difference is not "extraordinary" (like 4 or 5 minutes faster in DwD for example). I hope someone will take this test someday. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

But stopping to think, for Shade you have a point. As the ADB level is lower and the range is narrower, as well as the prices are generally lower, compared to Power, in this case it would be more worthwhile to invest in a good savage without spending a fortune.
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post Dec 1 2019, 14:20
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For heavy armor I use roughly the same formula, a savage is equal to a non-savage +24% adb. Looking at a helmet it gives up to +3% crit damage which is a bit more than fatality 1. And butcher 1 on a rapier is about 12% adb. Which would be 24% adb on a helmet since it has half as much total adb. If you consider butcher and fatality comparable you get this relationship.

Translating that to prices, a heavy savage should be worth up to 2x ~ 4x an identical non-savage. However not everyone obeys this rule so sometimes savage prices go far higher than they are worth in terms of performance. From a rarity standpoint this may be partially justified.

Light armor is weighted differently so I instead hope to gather low adb savage of shadowdancer. I purchased one good adb savage of shadowdancer by luck so four pieces to go. I'm in no rush. Heavy is my priority but I want pieces with great or specific all-around stats which would be a better value if priced normally.

Unfortunately it takes a really, really long time for those to appear. To the point that peerless are more common, so I bid on those too sometimes. I'm willing to use pieces besides slaughter if the prefix/suffix are other good ones and the stats are there.
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post Dec 1 2019, 23:20
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Dec 1 2019, 00:52) *

Japanese factor by groups of 4 digits instead of 3, when they spell numbers in words.
So 11m are 1100.0000, 110k are 110.000

... finally i understood why one piece bounties are written in that absurd way!

QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Dec 1 2019, 06:17) *

Well, that was just a guess. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

too bad i cannot loan you my non-peerless savage shadowdancer set anymore. with 65/24/6/17/46% ADB it's still quite decent, and when heartseeker and/or spirit stance are enabled, it cuts through monsters like butter.

tbh, ADB range in shade armors is so narrow that:
1. forging it isn't worth it
2. investing in crit damage and/or chance is really a decent way to boost their potential.

maybe with peerless tier i could snatch other 100~150-ish ADB out of that (PABs included), but:
a. it's out of 9240 ADB. roughly 1.5%
b. peerless savage shadowdancer basically don't even exist. and even if they do, they are more in mantra's realm than in mine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Dec 2 2019, 01:08
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 1 2019, 22:20) *

... finally i understood why one piece bounties are written in that absurd way!


That japanese number stuff weirded me out a little when I discovered it too.

1 ichi
10 ju
100 hyaku
1000 sen

1.0000 ichi-man
10.0000 ju-man
100.0000 hyaku-man
1000.0000 is-sen-man

1.0000.0000 ichi-oku

etc

Weird. But for them we're the weird ones probably (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 1 2019, 22:20) *

tbh, ADB range in shade armors is so narrow that:
1. forging it isn't worth it
2. investing in crit damage and/or chance is really a decent way to boost their potential.

maybe with peerless tier i could snatch other 100~150-ish ADB out of that (PABs included), but:
a. it's out of 9240 ADB. roughly 1.5%
b. peerless savage shadowdancer basically don't even exist. and even if they do, they are more in mantra's realm than in mine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Pretty much.
In shade, savage is everything, and fleet/shadowdancer add even more to the table, compared to the ADB range.
So even a low ADB Savage Shadowdancer beats a high ADB plain Negation.


Slaughter for power is an exception, where yes, Savage Slaughter is the absolute best, but it matters less compared to tha actual Min-Max range.
And Savage non-Slaughter always loses to Slaughter, unless it's Peerless Savage non-Slaughter vs M-range ADB Non-Savage Slaughter.
Plain Peerless non Slaughter Power is quite bad, even compared to Savage non Peerless non Slaughter.
I would go for a 70% Savage Warding over a Peerless non-Savage Warding any day. Less expensive, and both are not endgame and will be replaced.

There is a reason why Slaughter is expensive even with low-ish ADB, where 95% Power of Protection can end in bazaar (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


TL;DR Savage Power is overrated and Savage Shade is underrated, and it should be the opposite considering the Crit orientation of Shade (and the Crit boosts of the Fleet/Shadowdancer suffixes) and the ADB ranges of Power (and the ADB boost of the Slaughter suffix).

Only exception: Power of Balance. That HAS to be Savage, otherwise it's a waste and you just should go for Slaughter, or go defensive.

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post Dec 3 2019, 09:00
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) OK, what the hell is going on in the Lottery today, that not supposedly any ethereal staff is crap?

So why are there already a large number of tickets purchased for today's lottery weapon?
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post Dec 4 2019, 14:14
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The Japanese numbers are scary when you are in a line to buy hentai stuff in Japan and the cash register lady says 12738 yen and I would be like O_O;

For some reason I recall less times I got scared in my last trip. I think they realized it scares the foreigners so these days they make sure the cash registers print out the numbers. Or maybe I just precalculated the cost of what I was buying more often. Also you can use foreign credit cards in more stores these days.

I still made a fool out of myself from time to time though in various embarrassing ways.
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post Dec 4 2019, 14:43
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Dec 4 2019, 14:14) *

The Japanese numbers are scary ...


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... and it was back then ... it can only get worse ...
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post Dec 4 2019, 14:47
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Well, isnt it nice that the implication is just that all those civilians were killed by us troops and the whole pic just doesnt give a fuck about the cowardly terrorists? Or that the deficid was caused completly by what happen in iraq? Or that there isnt even one word about how much money did go into the rebuilding? Ah, cheap manipulation, i name you withhold. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Dec 4 2019, 15:33
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 4 2019, 14:47) *

Well, isnt it nice that the implication is just that all those civilians were killed by us troops and the whole pic just doesnt give a fuck about the cowardly terrorists? Or that the deficid was caused completly by what happen in iraq? Or that there isnt even one word about how much money did go into the rebuilding? Ah, cheap manipulation, i name you withhold. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


I see no implication whatever. Numbers are numbers, they must simply be correct.

Choice and/or interpretation of numbers, now ... that's another thing, and can never be fully neutral.

But I was simply pointing out that Japanese numbers are not so scary (currently) compared to others, with the possible exception of the Japanese national debt.

Nothing else. And above all, no hidden message, nothing political.
Why do you always distort or imagine my opinions, even when I don't give them ? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Dec 4 2019, 16:18
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They are just about iraq. They are just talking about war. They are talking about bush. They are not talking about US economics. They are not talking about terrists. They are not talking how many civilian did die per year under the rule of sadam. They choose those numbers and they choose those term, and they brought them into context to each other with the willful purpose to show people how bad the US are. How bad war is. And how bad bush was. Arguing that this is okay, because been absolutly neutral isnt possible, is just bullshit, because this doesnt even try to be anything but manipulative. And no, that the overall message is a subtle as a sledgehammer doesnt excuse anything. I mean when was propaganda ever be subtle? Never. And why? Because it doesnt has to. I just has to be there and just let people to think in the wanted direction, i mean there are allways people who have to decide with direction to choose. And such bullshit brings them into the direction the makers of this crap want them to think.

So that pic is nothing but cheap, manipulative by withholding very important information and context.
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post Dec 4 2019, 21:22
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Dec 4 2019, 13:43) *

... and it was back then ... it can only get worse ...

Civilian death numbers seem a little deflated...when I was hearing the news while that was happening, the numbers were juuuuust a little bit on a higher scale of magnitude (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Just going to wikipedia already says "110k+ documented, up to 600k probably" of Iraq people killed, and most of them civilians of course, what else do you expect if you use nukes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Also why no precise number for american casualities? Saying "around 1000" looks like it has been bloated instead...
And it's not since it's around 4000, and that's basically all of the losses on the "good guys" part.

It was (and is) basically a one-sided slaughter.
I mean, with such big difference of means and power, it couldn't have been otherwise.

In the end, that pic is nothing
QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Dec 4 2019, 15:18) *

but cheap, manipulative by withholding very important information and context.


Also, I would add, those people probably would've been better off if the Saddam guy was still there and they didn't bother "go attack the terrorists".
Everything war brings is: death followed by puppet governments that do the same if not worse than the predecessors...
And who loses are not the terrorists, but the people inhabiting the same land where the terrorists live.
That's just not the right way of acting.
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post Dec 4 2019, 21:41
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Why do you all focus on Irag, U.S., who manipulates what for which purpose, and so on and so on ....

You miss my point completely. Why can't you see that my post has nothing to do with the exact information (or disinformation) conveyed inside the picture, but it's simply about the use of the term "scary number", as exemplified in BlueWaterSplash post vs. mine ?

Well, rant's over. I will never try again to make myself (or my posts) understood when misinterpreted, it's just too much work and probably useless too, since my explanation is also subsequently misunderstood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Dec 4 2019, 22:21
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guys... please
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post Dec 5 2019, 10:55
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There's a strange comic about shrimp tempuras on the front page gallery right now.

...It disappeared really fast. Does the front page gallery update that often? It was hard to find it back so I better link it.

https://e-hentai.org/g/1528501/98ec7f6868/

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post Dec 5 2019, 11:15
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) You mean this thing?

[pimpandhost.com] (IMG:[ist6-1.filesor.com] https://ist6-1.filesor.com/pimpandhost.com/1/9/0/5/190548/8/y/T/X/8yTXa/00000001_m.jpg)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Someone has a lot of free time to draw, or some fetishist paid very well for this thing to be published.
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post Dec 5 2019, 11:17
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Dec 5 2019, 11:55) *


...It disappeared really fast. Does the front page gallery update that often? It was hard to find it back so I better link it.

https://e-hentai.org/g/1528501/98ec7f6868/


This is the time when the site's main page is updated quickly, because it is the time at which certain people wake up.

*Sorry for the double post, I'm about to fall asleep ...

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post Dec 5 2019, 11:34
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QUOTE(BlueWaterSplash @ Dec 5 2019, 10:55) *

There's a strange comic about shrimp tempuras on the front page gallery right now.

...It disappeared really fast. Does the front page gallery update that often? It was hard to find it back so I better link it.

https://e-hentai.org/g/1528501/98ec7f6868/


That's in chinese.

The original japanese was already uploaded here.

P.S. Check the Rename petition, while you're at it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Dec 5 2019, 21:56
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re: scary numbers:

(IMG:[www.interlogica.it] https://www.interlogica.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Googol.jpg)
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post Dec 9 2019, 23:55
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I hate this month, lotteries have been more crowded thanks to that, including those in which the equipment does not have such popular suffixes and prefixes.

It's good that I don't celebrate anything and I don't care about everything, for me it's only one more month of my life, it's just a very annoying month, because it's the month where in the vast majority of the parts where you go, you go to delay you more than you should thanks to excessive consumerism, and they will want to sell you the things you want to buy; more expensive just because it's December.

Yes, I look forward to January ... Thank you! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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