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May 20 2011, 18:08
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Frith @ May 20 2011, 16:56)  I didn't know that. I might have to try and hang in a bit longer. I generally only get to about round 200 on Hard. I used to be able to get to round 1000 on Normal, but playing too many rounds burns stamina a too fast so I switched to Hard.
+500 loot bonus at +100 rounds, whatever that means. QUOTE(Frith @ May 20 2011, 16:56)  Yes, I was just so excited that she didn't immediately drop dead that I had to post. She's currently level 565 but is still largely useless. She seems to be substantially less powerful than Conquest101 who is only level 242. Don't even mention Neptunia.
Lol to me it's only pussy cat (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 20 2011, 18:10
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Ichy
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QUOTE(Frith @ May 20 2011, 17:56) 
Yes, I was just so excited that she didn't immediately drop dead that I had to post. She's currently level 565 but is still largely useless. She seems to be substantially less powerful than Conquest101 who is only level 242. Don't even mention Neptunia.
Because she is just human (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 20 2011, 19:11
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marcho
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Humans do seem to be one of the weakest mob types currently.
I'll lol if Tenb adds equipment slots to human types tho. Eila with a full set of pre-nerf phase evade and a tower shield, dodges 75%+ of all incoming attacks and spells.
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May 20 2011, 19:28
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Ichy
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QUOTE(marcho @ May 20 2011, 19:11)  Humans do seem to be one of the weakest mob types currently.
I'll lol if Tenb adds equipment slots to human types tho. Eila with a full set of pre-nerf phase evade and a tower shield, dodges 75%+ of all incoming attacks and spells.
And a club (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 20 2011, 19:32
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ May 20 2011, 18:28)  A club no, dual clubs (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by cmdct: May 20 2011, 19:32
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May 20 2011, 19:35
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varst
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QUOTE(marcho @ May 21 2011, 01:11)  Humans do seem to be one of the weakest mob types currently.
I'll lol if Tenb adds equipment slots to human types tho. Eila with a full set of pre-nerf phase evade and a tower shield, dodges 75%+ of all incoming attacks and spells.
I would suggest a full set of shade armor with high resist. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) 'Hey i hit him/her.....WTF he/she resists it?' Even with 100% magic accuracy it would be painful to kill?
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May 20 2011, 20:23
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Sayo Aisaka
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8 8 Fakenick hits you for 1326 slashing damage. 8 7 Your spirit shield absorbs 19 points of damage from the attack into 0.35 points of spirit damage. 8 6 Fakenick is agitated! Well, that was worth getting. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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May 20 2011, 20:30
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Ichy
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A Humanoids biggest flaw is the powerlevel. You need to upgrade it A LOT to get results so it will be much higher PL before it reaches the combat power of other monsters. If PL gets adjusted for Mini Boss and above everything is fine. No need for ridiculous Equipments (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 20 2011, 20:56
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hgbdd
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You're considering high elec resistance = survive first hit = strong. That's wrong, and if you didn't noticed my previous comment, Eila and Neptunia give the same trouble to me because they have the "same" wind resistance, and probably same STR/DEX. Conquest or whatever other "strong" monsters like zombies, have other elemental weakness, which humanoids don't have. And if you guys continue to think only elec resistance is importance, then instead of wasting 125 levels on the other elements, you should capped the whole 50 elec levels, and guess what, they would have less 100 power levels.
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May 20 2011, 20:59
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Frith
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QUOTE(Ichy @ May 20 2011, 19:30)  A Humanoids biggest flaw is the powerlevel. You need to upgrade it A LOT to get results so it will be much higher PL before it reaches the combat power of other monsters. If PL gets adjusted for Mini Boss and above everything is fine. No need for ridiculous Equipments (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) The biggest flaw with humanoids is that their stats are crap. By the time I get Eila to my target level of 639 she'll probably have absorbed about ten times the number of crystals Conquest101 has, but likely still won't be as effective in either attack or defence. Changing the powerlevel calculation won't really address that issue. The better monsters are the ones with clear strengths. Good Elec and Fire resistance with high Strength and Endurance (i.e. a Dragonkin) will always deliver far better results than a monster that's sub-par at everything. The problem is if you're going to create an anime character you're always going to end up using the Humanoid type, which is likely why Humanoids are the most popular even though they're probably the worst. Humanoids definitely need something to address their weaknesses. I suggest a machine gun.
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May 20 2011, 21:08
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Ichy
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QUOTE(cmdct @ May 20 2011, 20:56)  You're considering high elec resistance = survive first hit = strong. That's wrong, and if you didn't noticed my previous comment, Eila and Neptunia give the same trouble to me because they have the "same" wind resistance, and probably same STR/DEX. Conquest or whatever other "strong" monsters like zombies, have other elemental weakness, which humanoids don't have. And if you guys continue to think only elec resistance is importance, then instead of wasting 125 levels on the other elements, you should capped the whole 50 elec levels, and guess what, they would have less 100 power levels.
For now you have to be careful for what to upgrade so the Mainstream Elemental Spells will have higher Priority. Whats the point of 50 to all if no one can meet her? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Things will change once we can upgrade them. possible high resistances to everything is the main reason why I choose a humanoid. QUOTE(Frith @ May 20 2011, 20:59)  The biggest flaw with humanoids is that their stats are crap. By the time I get Eila to my target level of 639 she'll probably have absorbed about ten times the number of crystals Conquest101 has, but likely still won't be as effective in either attack or defence. Changing the powerlevel calculation won't really address that issue.
Tenb said creating a god will probably be limited to VERY high leveled people. I think you are starting to see the reason why (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by Ichy: May 20 2011, 21:15
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May 20 2011, 21:17
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Frith
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QUOTE(cmdct @ May 20 2011, 19:56)  You're considering high elec resistance = survive first hit = strong. That's wrong, and if you didn't noticed my previous comment, Eila and Neptunia give the same trouble to me because they have the "same" wind resistance, and probably same STR/DEX. Conquest or whatever other "strong" monsters like zombies, have other elemental weakness, which humanoids don't have. And if you guys continue to think only elec resistance is importance, then instead of wasting 125 levels on the other elements, you should capped the whole 50 elec levels, and guess what, they would have less 100 power levels.
I don't know what other people do but I always start a round with an Elec attack (since most monsters are weak to that) and follow it up with a fire attack (to get the Undread and other monsters with Elec resistance). If I need a third spell to clear the round anything will probably do the job so I just go back to Elec. Things would obviously be different on IWBTH, but for general play Wind doesn't factor into my strategy so a resistance to wind isn't a major benefit to a monster. As for increasing Elec 50 levels, I'd like to put it's simply impossible. Level 28 takes over 5000 and the difference between levels is growing each time. You'd probably be spending 100,000 crystals per level by the time you got to 50 increases and that's really not feasible. This post has been edited by Frith: May 20 2011, 21:18
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May 20 2011, 23:26
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Eutopia
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QUOTE(buktore @ May 20 2011, 23:04)  I'm in despair! Seeing my prof barely went up while my LV. kept skyrocketing has left me in despair! (IMG:[ bbs.pramool.com] http://bbs.pramool.com/webboard/pic/142.gif) (IMG:[ bbs.pramool.com] http://bbs.pramool.com/webboard/pic/80.gif) It will catch up eventually. It did for me around 230 if i remember correctly. This post has been edited by Eutopia: May 20 2011, 23:26
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May 21 2011, 00:51
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ May 20 2011, 20:08)  For now you have to be careful for what to upgrade so the Mainstream Elemental Spells will have higher Priority. Whats the point of 50 to all if no one can meet her? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Things will change once we can upgrade them. possible high resistances to everything is the main reason why I choose a humanoid. Tenb said creating a god will probably be limited to VERY high leveled people. I think you are starting to see the reason why (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I speaking of 1 elemental, good luck the all 7 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(Frith @ May 20 2011, 20:17)  I don't know what other people do but I always start a round with an Elec attack (since most monsters are weak to that) and follow it up with a fire attack (to get the Undread and other monsters with Elec resistance). If I need a third spell to clear the round anything will probably do the job so I just go back to Elec. Things would obviously be different on IWBTH, but for general play Wind doesn't factor into my strategy so a resistance to wind isn't a major benefit to a monster.
That's a myth, it was in the past, but I know now SoN is more effective, and lol SoN+Cyclone is better than SoN+T-Storm, everything expect zombie cow dies in 2 turns 100% time successfully, something I couldn't do with WoT+Inferno before the patch. I suspect the best now is cold+wind, but I don't have a cold EDB set to try. QUOTE(Frith @ May 20 2011, 20:17)  As for increasing Elec 50 levels, I'd like to put it's simply impossible. Level 28 takes over 5000 and the difference between levels is growing each time. You'd probably be spending 100,000 crystals per level by the time you got to 50 increases and that's really not feasible.
It's 4275 crystals if you only raise 1 element, and the l25 for the other 6 elements are 13440 + x crystals being x=4425 if the elec=25 already, and I didn't mistake somewhere. So you see the kinda crystals you're "wasting", and no despite this I'm not saying it's possible/probable to reach the 50th level (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Imo Humanoids aren't strong or weaker, and also you compared with dragonskin, but you forgot the skill is affected by DEX.
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May 21 2011, 01:20
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buktore
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I wonder if there will ever be a patch that would just simply give some boost to melee without taking something from them in the process... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) The recent patch did gave melee more power, but the lost in various parts made it feels pretty much the same overall...
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May 21 2011, 01:26
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Frith
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QUOTE(cmdct @ May 20 2011, 23:51)  I speaking of 1 elemental, good luck the all 7 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) That's a myth, it was in the past, but I know now SoN is more effective, and lol SoN+Cyclone is better than SoN+T-Storm, everything expect zombie cow dies in 2 turns 100% time successfully, something I couldn't do with WoT+Inferno before the patch. I suspect the best now is cold+wind, but I don't have a cold EDB set to try. Why didn't you tell me this sooner?! Wind is the new Elec! It's fantastic! Neptunia and Conquest101 (the two biggest nuisances in the Hentaiverse) go down in one hit! Green Slime and Zombie Cow are a bit of a pain, but nothing like as annoying as Neptunia and Conquest101 when using Elec and Fire. Thanks to Ichy selling me all his Tempest crystals Liselotte dies if you exhale gently on her, but Eila can often stands up to a non-targeted Storms of Njord (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Maybe I shouldn't have swapped these for just 200 crystals. I thought nobody used Wind so nobody would want them. I even thought the guy buying them was a chump! I'm such a fool! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Is Wind only good for Grindfests (where the are a lot of custom monsters) or do you also use it in the Arena?
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May 21 2011, 01:33
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Eutopia
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QUOTE(Frith @ May 21 2011, 01:26)  Why didn't you tell me this sooner?! Wind is the new Elec! It's fantastic! Neptunia and Conquest101 (the two biggest nuisances in the Hentaiverse) go down in one hit! Green Slime and Zombie Cow are a bit of a pain, but nothing like as annoying as Neptunia and Conquest101 when using Elec and Fire. Thanks to Ichy selling me all his Tempest crystals Liselotte dies if you exhale gently on her, but Eila can often stands up to a non-targeted Storms of Njord (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Maybe I shouldn't have swapped these for just 200 crystals. I thought nobody used Wind so nobody would want them. I even thought the guy buying them was a chump! I'm such a fool! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Is Wind only good for Grindfests (where the are a lot of custom monsters) or do you also use it in the Arena? What are you saying conquest101 wont survive a tier 2 elec spell on hell. Neptunia is another story though so very annoying and hits hard. Elec still do good on grindfest up to hell except vs neptunia/freudia/blue slime/vampire/revenant everything else is just cannon fodder if you know what to aim. This post has been edited by Eutopia: May 21 2011, 01:43
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