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I just realized, if you still want to keep 42000 HP all you have to do is reach 600 Proficiency then erase Juggernaut from 1 Armor. You can get more Holyproof instead!

[Two01] Peerless Ethereal Mace of Slaughter (365, ADB 100%) (Start: 10m) morineko 195.7m

I just remembered this happened last month. The tiger bit the little green munchkin very hard raaar! Munchkin crushed his foe like usual but perhaps injury from nasty bite is not fully healed yet. ;)

Just noticed my post calling out piyin on ikki pops auction got deleted. I'm assuming it was off topic? I take it I would be safe to talk about it here?

I'm assuming it was off topic?

yes, i asked the moderator to remove all posts without bids

yes, i asked the moderator to remove all posts without bids

Fair enough, I can understand why.

I'll remember to web archive next time.

Just to provide a rough explanation for others (naturally, I can't quote)

On Ikki Pop's auction, there's a mystery lot, [Lot 9].

I'll put aside the ethics of mystery lots (as I can't comment as one of the people initially bidding on it as well)

No one should know what's inside, it's not a "Secret Prize" if someone other than the auctioneer, or perhaps the individual who provided the item if there was one, knows that it is.

Mid way through bidding, piyin made a comment suggesting that he was fine bidding 1001000c, as he "kind of knows what it is", that's as close as I can remember to his wording, might be a bit off.

I asked what the point of anyone else bidding was, if piyin was the only bidder who knew what was inside, to which his response was that didn't actually know, and that he was just hoping Ikki Pop wasn't auctioning an empty lot, contrary to his initial comment.

That's as far as it went, as all posts without bids (rightfully, I won't deny that) got deleted.

Piyin quickly withdrew from bidding after that.

Making the post just for clarity, feel free to take from it what you will.

I will leave a suggestion to finish off though, always web archive everything that isn't in a restricted forum, so you can more easily quote things that get deleted.

This post has been edited by Ubershank: Oct 23 2019, 02:59

nobody knows what a secret prize is

Piyin probably just wants to be banned in all auctions, but no
my auctions are an experiment and everyone should participate

yeah science, bitch

nobody knows what a secret prize is

Piyin probably just wants to be banned in all auctions, but no

To be honest, I won't even doubt you on this. It's be unfair of me to, because it'd set precedent for a method of bringing doubt to someones auction without proof. Anyone can go on your auction and easily claim the same, and could just as easily be lying.

Piyin on the otherhand, either
a) Did somehow know what was in the auction, and therefore bidding unfairly.
B ) Didn't know, but pretending he did, perhaps as a way of warding off other bidders. For example, if I were to believe that Piyin knew what was in the prize, I wouldn't bother bidding because I would assume Piyin would bid to it's value, and if I ever outbid him, I'd be overpaying on the item.

In either case, it says everything about the kind of person Piyin is.

Edit:Damn automatic smilies

This post has been edited by Ubershank: Oct 23 2019, 03:32

I think mystery lots are unethical in principle. While there are some who agree with me, it seems that right now the world is in favor of allowing mystery lots, so what can I say? (lootboxes in video games, randomness in collectible card games, obvious scams on ebay, etc)

This has nothing to do with any particular sellers' intentions, just a philosophical debate. Yarr! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Also I am wondering where the antiretarted went. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

I think mystery lots are unethical in principle. While there are some who agree with me, it seems that right now the world is in favor of allowing mystery lots, so what can I say? (lootboxes in video games, randomness in collectible card games, obvious scams on ebay, etc)

IMHO all unspecified goods are essentially fraud and should be forbidden. I'm pretty surprised it's not in the rules (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by Benny-boy: Oct 23 2019, 13:20

IMHO all unspecified goods are essentially fraud and should be forbidden. I'm pretty surprised it's not in the rules (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I am willing to include this into the rules

I'm gonna be the guinea pig that unavoidably eats the mystery. If it's poison, as his avatar suggests, I'll... try again next time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I'm gonna be the guinea pig that unavoidably eats the mystery. If it's poison, as his avatar suggests, I'll... try again next time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Never play Gatcha mouisaac, you'll end up with empty wallets in no time. Me saying that makes me the pot calling the kettle black though haha

IMHO all unspecified goods are essentially fraud and should be forbidden. I'm pretty surprised it's not in the rules (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

As I said on Discord about this: I agree that unspecified goods are exceptionally shady, but a possible solution includes informing a moderator of what the secret prize is if you want your thread stickied (and therefore endorsed). It can still be left up to the community to decide whether they want to gamble on it, but this way it can be controlled in a way that disallows an item switch if the seller feels it has gone too low.

As I said on Discord about this: I agree that unspecified goods are exceptionally shady, but a possible solution includes informing a moderator of what the secret prize is if you want your thread stickied (and therefore endorsed). It can still be left up to the community to decide whether they want to gamble on it, but this way it can be controlled in a way that disallows an item switch if the seller feels it has gone too low.

I said I wouldn't comment on this as someone involved in bidding on lot9, but here I am anyway. I agree with this over just outright banning it, there's no need to use a sledgehammer to solve the problem. It puts whichever mod that checks it in the awkward spot of not being able to fairly bid themselves though.

ok, i'm cancel that lot9

and it was not fraud, the winning bidder would receive a gift without paying a bet

and it was not fraud, the winning bidder would receive a gift without paying a bet

To be honest, I won't even doubt you on this.

If it's worth anything, it's the system being called into question, not you personally.

Yeah, it's better not to allow mystery items, as it is too easy to scam with those. proposed new rule for wts


Let me make clear to all: In case of Ikki pop auction, it was definitely not a scam, and there was no intention of fraud.

This post has been edited by DJNoni: Oct 23 2019, 15:41

As I said on Discord about this: I agree that unspecified goods are exceptionally shady, but a possible solution includes informing a moderator of what the secret prize is if you want your thread stickied (and therefore endorsed). It can still be left up to the community to decide whether they want to gamble on it, but this way it can be controlled in a way that disallows an item switch if the seller feels it has gone too low.

It's not about sticky posts, it's about moderation in general. The problem is - even if mods somehow guarantee that unspecified goods worth enough it will eventually lead to displeasure since prices are volatile and item worth is subjective, so if you want to raffle or gift something there is no need to make buyers pay for it.

and it was not fraud, the winning bidder would receive a gift without paying a bet

No one is blaming you for anything, it's just problematic idea without some system based script like daily lottery

yes, i asked the moderator to remove all posts without bids

yep. i promptly agreed since i thought topic was derailing a bit. i removed also the post in which he asked, btw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Piyin probably just wants to be banned in all auctions, but no

well, if that's his will, he just has to say the word. apparently we were still too kind, since he's still around ruckusing here and there. for what it's worth, my "i didn't read what i read, right?" post was mostly for him, not for you.

as a generic rule of thumb, auctioneer has full right to ban a certain person or group of persons to bid, like if it was a WTS.
worst case, a mod may come asking him what happened looking for infos that may be useful for other stuff. but we tend to stick our noses in auctions as little as possible.

ok, i'm cancel that lot9

and it was not fraud, the winning bidder would receive a gift without paying a bet

as i said in the other topic, i'm all positive about revitalizing wts/wtb market. though what i meant with "risk for one of the parties to feel scammed is high" is that, uh...
it's not even free market anymore. it's market with some conditions, and not everyone may eat it as positively as mouiisac or ubershank. risk here is mostly on your side, who are a new auctioneer trying to taste the ground.

This week's auctions are going to be expensive...

This post has been edited by kamio11: Oct 24 2019, 13:47