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Aug 18 2019, 20:20
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KitsuneAbby
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(IMG:[ i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/dr090ZTl.png) According to the 2H Parry ability's description, the parry from the 2H ability should be around a miserable 10%. So one cannot really count on it, though it still does have a bit of importance. So pretty much all the parry I get comes from the DEX PABs. Attack speed and evade are (way) higher once feathered. I should be thinking about shrining a few artifacts to raise my PABs BTW.
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Aug 18 2019, 21:59
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sickentide
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 18 2019, 16:15)  1. Not to be attempted before Lvl450, and not without a (near) fully forged Power of Protection+Warding set. Preferably with elemental prefixes as well. I am not joking. 9. During spirit stance however, it's really a slaughterfest that is faster than 1H. You really feel like doing "God mode turn on" when you activate the stance. If you don't need to heal, that is. And do not, do not, waste your OC on OFC. You can literally blast through 2-3 rounds with a single full OC bar even while using Imperil.
your observations are congruent with mine for the most part, it just want give my view on these two points: 1. mithril works as a defensive line too, especially when feathered. with four mithril pieces, i can clear IW100 with a longsword and full balance armour, though i much prefer doing so with a mace 9. for arenas and a good part of IWs, it's faster to use spirit stance, but i find that deep into the IW, it gets to a point where cure uses up enough OC that using OFC speeds things up (with a longsword. with a mace i find it fastest to use OFC throughout the IW) meanwhile i have decided on this to become my final ultimate strike unit and started doing IWs on it. i can breeze through IW100 with a non-ethereal mace and my mithril set without the need to use feathers, so my end goal is to use a full savage balance set according to the current state of my research, balance is the optimal suffix for a mace even in raw damage, not to mention survival, if you pair it with the right armour, but i will hold off on presenting my findings in detail until i have gathered enough data to satisfy the scrutinous minds of this locale
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Aug 18 2019, 23:38
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KitsuneAbby
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I have no doubts about Balance and Slaughter being enough to clear IW100. But if it can only do that, but not clear PFFEST, that's pretty much useless to my taste, since I can just have my mage set decently forged and get the same result. The real objective I have is to get it to clear PFFEST without the consumables that mages use (scrolls, infusions, gums, vases, elixirs) and with clear times inferior to 1H. That, would fully justify investing in such equipment and probably motivate me to play that frequently, and probably encourage other players to consider that option. As for Mithril, it's true that I haven't considered it. I'm left with 17.5 Burden once fully feathered, which negates 23.3% of my total evade, leaving it to 23.5% evade. That makes the theorical evade at 0 Burden to be 30.63%. Considering a full Mithril set, I'd be left at 5.68 Burden once feathered, thus with a negation of evade of 7.57% instead of the 23.3%, for a final evade of 28.31%. All in all, having 28.31% evade with a full Mithril set instead of 23.5% evade with a non-mithril set might be tempting, but I'd be sitting on those elemental mitigations: Dark 35.07% (Helmet), Holy 41.86% (Armor), Cold 31.68% (Gauntlets), Holy 38.47% (Leggings), Dark 28.29% (Boots). I don't know if trading those fixed, non-RNJesus based mitigations to evade 20% more often is really wise. I might not evade as much, but when I fail to evade, the mitigation of these powerful magical attacks is very, very handy. I'm thinking about the effect on the spirit bar, because I can easily imagine it being drained rather quickly, especially if the mitigation of elemental attacks is mediocre. Things need to be tested thoroughly. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If in the end if we do can use Savage, Balance or Slaughter in a Lvl500 build, I won't hesitate to do it. It's just that as of now, it doesn't look that way for me. I haven't taken a liking into a weapon that is exactly known for defense, but for being as refined as a charging rhinoceros.
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Aug 19 2019, 00:23
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sickentide
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well i have cleared PFfest with my set and longsword, but i used scrolls and slowed down massively near the end from the need to cure, so if that's your goal i would definitely recommend a fully defensive armour set
i will continue to push my charging rhinoceros efforts to see just how competitive a PFfest time i can get, and to see if mithril or savage performs better here. right now i estimate that with enough forging (weapon full, armour to 25) and some gear that i still need to IW, my mace/power IW100 clear times should get close to my dark set*, while consuming only draughts, feathers and a gratuitous cold infusion
*never mind, i misremembered my dark IW time to be around 11min, which is in fact my DwD time, and also what i estimate my mace IW time to be once my best gear is operational. whoops
This post has been edited by sickentide: Aug 19 2019, 03:47
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Aug 19 2019, 03:10
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ahroun
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How expensive is to compensate that MMit you sacrifice with enchanting infusions before PFFEST? Remember that each lasts 1 hour.
Or in other words, assuming you use a Savage or Mithril set, how many Infusions would you need to enchant to PFFEST without needing to spam scrolls and other stuff?
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Aug 19 2019, 03:22
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sickentide
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counting two infusions per piece and element, about 12k. considering you want to use aether shards for sure, which takes 6k, i would say it's a reasonable investment
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Aug 19 2019, 08:59
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(ahroun @ Aug 19 2019, 01:10)  How expensive is to compensate that MMit you sacrifice with enchanting infusions before PFFEST? Remember that each lasts 1 hour.
Or in other words, assuming you use a Savage or Mithril set, how many Infusions would you need to enchant to PFFEST without needing to spam scrolls and other stuff?
TBH, enchanting armor with infusions is a waste: +5% mitigation to the said element, even for one hour, is laughably useless. Even if you used an Infusion of Divinity for every of your armor parts, it's raise your total mitigation against Holy by about 23%, which wouldn't compete against a Zircon prefix on the boots. It'd be a bit bigger than a Holyproof 5 potency, but heck you'd be wasting 5 infusions every time, which is quite a lot. Infusions are mostly used either to enchant your weapon, or to use as battle item as mage. But if you're overflowing with them (like me) and you don't want to bother selling them, yes you could enchant your armor, but prepare not to see any great difference. That being said, there is nothing to "compensate" actually. I barely have any more MMit than sicken, since I'm geared with 4 Protection + 1 Warding. Tanking magic attacks is mostly done by the spirit shield Innate Arcana and the elemental mitigations. Even in late rounds of PFFEST, as 1H my spirit bar is usually able to keep up with spirit draughts only, though sometimes a very bad luck streak can happen and a spirit potion is needed because you've been sparked on top of having a massive portion of SP drained by the spirit shield. But I'm worrying if the spirit bar will be able to keep up as 2H, given how more frequent the tanking of attacks is. BTW, I'm seeing your level, and I can say that straight away: PFFEST is not the difficulty you're looking for.
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Aug 19 2019, 11:03
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ahroun
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My question was about what you two were discussing, to see if it would be possible to swap some or all the gears to Mithril/Savage while using Infusions to compensate.
Me PFFEST? Not a chance of it, nor even normal Grindfest.
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Aug 19 2019, 13:46
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KitsuneAbby
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Nah, as I was saying, using 5 infusions won't even come close to a single elemental prefix. Well, at least a forged elemental prefix. Otherwise it depends on the equipment slot. But if you consider an equipment alone, 5% elemental mitigation is only ever equivalent to a single level of elemental potency.
One little thing. I've just tried using an infusion on equipment that already has the said element. Good news: it stacks additively. I've tried on my Ruby Force Shield: fire mitigation went from 32.35 to 37.35. It also already had Windproof 2, the wind mitigation went from 8 to 13. Conclusion: the higher the already existing mitigations are, the stronger the effect of using an infusion on it.
With that additional stacking, I might consider using infusions for that purpose: that would give me a large boost to Fire/Holy/Dark mitigations. Using a couple of infusions to enchant, instead of spamming them every 50 turns, is still very acceptable for PFFEST purposes.
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Aug 19 2019, 16:35
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sickentide
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 19 2019, 13:46)  Nah, as I was saying, using 5 infusions won't even come close to a single elemental prefix.
but then again, you can enchant each piece with all 6 elements, so a full stack of infusions gives you 6 not-quite-prefixes, and seeing how your natural armour is limited to 5 prefix slots at most, and also comparing infusion cost to the average income of a fest, i would say it's still worth it. i wouldn't use them anywhere outside PFfest, but here even a tiny boost to my defences, especially one that doesn't slow down gameplay, is quite welcome
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Aug 19 2019, 17:40
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KitsuneAbby
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It makes a grand total of 2*6*5=60 infusions for the whole set for 2 hours, that's quite a lot of infusions if you ask me.
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Aug 19 2019, 17:55
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sickentide
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well it's 10 sets of each kind of infusion, which cost 1,200-1,300 each, possibly less if you open a WTB, about twice as much as you'd spend on aether shards and less than what i spent on scrolls on my last recorded fest clear...
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Aug 19 2019, 18:07
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KitsuneAbby
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Well at least I don't feel like it's a necessity for now. The amount of these types of attacks doesn't justify that kind of expense IMHO.
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Aug 19 2019, 18:26
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Noni
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Dudes, when I win that peerless hallowed oak staff of focus I will go holy mage! Can't go wrong really, I bought 10 tickets.
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Aug 19 2019, 18:51
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mega-wifeacc
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Fiiine. I also put one.  Diluting your guys' odds.
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Aug 19 2019, 20:26
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ahroun
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It's going to be mine and my 10 tickets'.
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Aug 19 2019, 23:22
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Basara Nekki
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 19 2019, 08:46)  With that additional stacking, I might consider using infusions for that purpose: that would give me a large boost to Fire/Holy/Dark mitigations. Using a couple of infusions to enchant, instead of spamming them every 50 turns, is still very acceptable for PFFEST purposes.
Just to illustrate, in my case, using all infusions on all equipment (Ruby Shield + Onyx Helmet + Cobalt Armor + Jade Gauntlets + Amber Leggings + Ruby Boots), it looks like this: Before:(IMG:[ imgur.com] https://imgur.com/y5igRRH.jpg) After:(IMG:[ imgur.com] https://imgur.com/XgMq6ZN.jpg)
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Aug 20 2019, 02:20
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Balls-of-steel
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So, I'm registered for like 5 years and I spent hours in playing the game and reading the wiki... However I do still not understand how the hentaiverse and the hentai galleries website are related ... what is the purpose of connecting a hentai galleries website with something that is basically either a cookie clicker with almost no automation options or a low graphic rpg with almost no player interactions (besides the forum of course), no bigger goal and no story. Does somebody has a clue what the basic idea behind this strange composition is ?
This post has been edited by Balls-of-steel: Aug 20 2019, 02:21
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