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Aug 12 2019, 05:03
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Basara Nekki
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 7,578
Joined: 13-September 12

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Well, apparently, now everything is normal. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It must have been a temporary problem. But before I posted my previous message, the connection was so bad that my time was 50% worse. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) And the worst is that I was just playing DwD (150 rounds). My normal time is 30 minutes and today I took 45 minutes. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) This post has been edited by Basara Nekki: Aug 12 2019, 05:03
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Aug 12 2019, 09:31
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Arkoniusx
Group: Members
Posts: 1,607
Joined: 21-December 08

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I have been there. To whoever has chosen the banner that appears today in the News section, thank you very much, it is the first banner that I really like. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Aug 12 2019, 11:22
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Noni
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 13,131
Joined: 19-February 16

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QUOTE(Arkoniusx @ Aug 12 2019, 09:31)  I have been there. To whoever has chosen the banner that appears today in the News section, thank you very much, it is the first banner that I really like. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) It's by Honeycat All moderators and admin decide together who wins, and who is second place etc. Then the selected banners appear in random order, one per day But in the current design of the site the banners are hidden on news and not really prominent. This post has been edited by DJNoni: Aug 12 2019, 11:26
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Aug 12 2019, 11:34
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Arkoniusx
Group: Members
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Joined: 21-December 08

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Yes, again using the Shrine as crazy I got the weapon I needed (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) , it is a pity that it is fire, but it will help me for a good while: https://hentaiverse.org/equip/202404822/767e5c3faeNow the only problem I see is how the hell I'm going to level up in the ITW, if I remember correctly are 85 continuous fights, and I don't know if I'm in a position to put up with them on Nintendo level.
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Aug 14 2019, 20:59
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name83u5
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 625
Joined: 1-June 14

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my first pfudor-fest clear with mage set... It was very painful task for me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Aug 15 2019, 20:39
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Nayas
Group: Members
Posts: 700
Joined: 6-February 11

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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Aug 12 2019, 04:31)  Is anyone out there having slow issues ("main site" and "alt"), both in and out of the game? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Well, apparently, now everything is normal. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It must have been a temporary problem. Is alt. still alive? I thought it was gone with the host change. At least I can't reach it. Also having some connection problems right now.
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Aug 15 2019, 21:48
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Fudo Masamune
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,636
Joined: 2-February 10

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QUOTE(Nayas @ Aug 16 2019, 01:39)  Is alt. still alive? I thought it was gone with the host change. At least I can't reach it. Also having some connection problems right now.
working fine
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Aug 15 2019, 22:13
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Nayas
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Posts: 700
Joined: 6-February 11

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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Aug 15 2019, 22:48)  working fine
Oh I forgot it doesn't work with https, that's why I couldn't find the domain... Had very noticeable delays an hour ago though, now it works fine.
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Aug 18 2019, 07:35
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 9,899
Joined: 4-February 12

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So snowflake let me get this straight, instead of BoS i could use, you give me BoD that just pile up in my shop, instead of giving me some actuators, you give me Phazon that just pile up in my shop and instead of some HGM i could use, you again give me with the HGC something that just piles up in my shop. Are you fucking kidding me? Can i at least get a second binding of protection for this month or is a full monsterlab just dont enough monsters to let that be a possibility? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Tbh i never thought getting a phazon would ever piss me off like that, but it did happen. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
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Aug 18 2019, 12:24
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mundomuΓ±eca
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 18 2019, 07:35)  So snowflake let me get this straight, instead of BoS i could use, you give me BoD that just pile up in my shop, instead of giving me some actuators, you give me Phazon that just pile up in my shop and instead of some HGM i could use, you again give me with the HGC something that just piles up in my shop. Are you fucking kidding me? Can i at least get a second binding of protection for this month or is a full monsterlab just dont enough monsters to let that be a possibility? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Tbh i never thought getting a phazon would ever piss me off like that, but it did happen. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Did you consider a WTT "my Phazons/BoD/HGC for your BoS/BoP/HGM/whatever" ? I should think there are enough highlevel mages out there interested and willing ... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Aug 18 2019, 12:36
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Uncle Stu
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I dont want trade. I want BoS, i want actuators and i want HGM from my monsterlab. I still need much more of them as i would like it to be. Also atm i prefer the credits, because DDIII isnt for free.
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Aug 18 2019, 13:11
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VawX
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,287
Joined: 5-November 11

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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 18 2019, 17:36)  I dont want trade. I want BoS, i want actuators and i want HGM from my monsterlab. I still need much more of them as i would like it to be. Also atm i prefer the credits, because DDIII isnt for free.
I mean you can just dump those HGC and buy HGM, but yeah mmm...
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Aug 18 2019, 16:15
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KitsuneAbby
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 7,571
Joined: 12-July 14

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I've finally given it a try: Imperil Power Longsword is perfectly PLAYABLE. Yellow and not green, because it's not ΓΌber great either. I've just finished playing IW50 for one hour, my clear times have been very, very acceptable and the gameplay has been relatively nice. I can't try IW100 yet because of a lack of proficiency (418 base prof right now), which makes the accuracy slightly insufficient (194.5%) and a small lack of parry. The missing 240ADB is quite negligible. For a test run, it looks promising. At least for now here is my full analysis and the conclusions I can take for Power 2H gameplay: - Not to be attempted before Lvl450, and not without a (near) fully forged Power of Protection+Warding set. Preferably with elemental prefixes as well. I am not joking.
- If you aren't determined to sink in a few dozens of millions of credits, forget about it and keep playing 1H. That's really not for poor players: even a starter mage set is less expensive.
- Peerless isn't mandatory, but you certainly should choose your armor parts for their defensive stats (PMit, MMit, DEX, END), not their ADB. So forget about power of slaughter/balance, you are the one going to be murdered if you use them.
- To choose your weapon, obviously check the ADB, but the DEX is extremely important too (parry+crit chance). For a Longsword, a high crit chance is a good idea as well, given how Bleeding Wound is much more powerful (and useful) when playing 2H, especially when out of stance. I'd still advice against using Balance weapons, because you'd probably reach the 200% accuracy easier and get a higher crit chance, but you'd be literally butchering your ADB.
- The playstyle has a bit more ADB overall than 1H, mostly handled by the weapon (more than 40% for Power Longsword, against 25% for Power Shortsword, even less for Power Rapier). Given this, swapping 1-2 power parts for (shielding) plate wouldn't be a bad idea. And if you need more ADB, just forge your weapon to the brim: that's the only thing you really need to spend BoS on.
- Be ready for a constant stream of attacks that you have to tank.
- Imperil is pretty much mandatory for every 2H weapon, given the low attack power when spririt stance is off. Otherwise it'd take you ages to kill a single monster, even with an estoc.
- As such, allocating PAB points in WIS, using Aether Shards and polishing your Depr prof aren't optional either.
- During spirit stance however, it's really a slaughterfest that is faster than 1H. You really feel like doing "God mode turn on" when you activate the stance. If you don't need to heal, that is. And do not, do not, waste your OC on OFC. You can literally blast through 2-3 rounds with a single full OC bar even while using Imperil.
- The damn critters tend to parry more or less frequently, even with Overpower 5.
- Contrarily to what I imagined, the management of mana is very fairly acceptable, even with Haste as 5th Innate Arcana. You're likely to use mana potions when things are starting to get a little tough, but frankly we're not on the mage level.
- If you don't know already, use feathers on your whole set. It's even more important for Power 2H than for your typical 1H build, as the mana consumption is a bit higher and you really, really want to have all your attack speed and evade.
- Forget the way you've been playing 1H. Reduce the number of critters as quickly as possible and don't get overconfident.
- After a bit of practice, I noticed that the playstyle reaches optimal efficiency by using Domino Strike as a finisher and not as a mage-like AoE, like how one would be naturally tempted to use it. You switch your target a bit before the current one actually dies, so that your Domino will finish it off while you're already murdering the (already damaged) new one. Basically, going "bottom to top" similarly to 1H, except that you're leaving monsters on the brink of death, is an excellent way to do that.
- Contrarily to what I imagined (and to the Imp Shortsword I'm used to), Bleeding Wound is actually useful for that gameplay. Each stack is much stronger than as imp Shortsword, and the said stacks actually do make a difference, especially when spirit stance is off, even more against monsters that failed to be Imperiled.
- Talking about monsters that failed to be Imperiled, recasting is even more advisable than as Imp 1H, if you're not low on mana.
- It's delightfully challenging and fun. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I'm sure I'm not ready to take on PFFEST with that playstyle yet, but as of now it looks not impossible. Perhaps at Lvl470 or so, after I've raised the proficiency a bit... I don't know what it'd give with shade, but I promise I'll give it a try someday... when I'll have recovered a bit of credits as well as obtained the equips I want. This post has been edited by decondelite: Aug 18 2019, 16:26
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Aug 18 2019, 18:23
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Juggernaut Santa
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 11,132
Joined: 26-April 12

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After having played the same style on lower difficulties back in the day I would advice against using shade. It's so obnoxiously slower than power 2h that isn't even fun. If you survive with heavy stick with heavy. Same advice if you want to do the same thing with niten. I would really advice shade to be played only with DW as a crit style (and even there, if you manage to survive, savage balance > savage shadowdancer, even with the light crit ability in full effect for the latter). So yeah, Tenboro, buff light armor's Crit stats. Also Protection's PMi boost while we're at it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) This post has been edited by Juggernaut Santa: Aug 18 2019, 18:25
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Aug 18 2019, 18:55
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Noni
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 13,131
Joined: 19-February 16

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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 18 2019, 16:15)  ...[lis] [*] It's delightfully challenging and fun. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)[/list] Congrats on getting another off-the-beaten-track build going! It is inpiring to see that you have so much fun with it
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Aug 18 2019, 19:56
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Nezu
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 3,931
Joined: 29-January 12

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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 18 2019, 15:15)  ...
Neat results. Thanks for posting. What's your parry at in this style? I have suspected for a while that DW might be viable with full slaughter power, if you have a peerless rapier of slaughter & nimble waki. However, I've had it suggested to me that even though you can get absurd parry... it doesn't matter, because magic attacks end up being more of an issue with that build. Still, I'd want to see it for myself to confirm... QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Aug 18 2019, 17:23)  After having played the same style on lower difficulties back in the day I would advice against using shade.
Bolded for emphasis. Shade is the gateway to surviving with non-1H melee styles on PFUDOR. The whole point of decon's post is to demonstrate that those styles can work with power armor, but you need huge amounts of forging to do so. A lot of people playing the light styles right now do so because it's cheaper than heavy.
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