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The Official Hentaiverse Chat, Post your random thoughts or theorycrafts about HV |
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Jun 14 2019, 22:08
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rokyroky
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jun 14 2019, 18:56)  See my point? Something like that just dont work with a game like HV imo.
I see. In other games, this mechanism of creation work, but in HV it does not work because it would lose its main goal (spend credits?) Then at end... HV is a sink credits?
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Jun 14 2019, 22:21
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Noni
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Jun 14 2019, 22:08)  I see.
In other games, this mechanism of creation work, but in HV it does not work because it would lose its main goal (spend credits?)
Then at end... HV is a sink credits?
well, it is also a credit generator. It needs to be both: credit sink for rich catgrills and credit machine for new players. And the sunken credits do give reward. There is a lot of appreciation for Awesome Builds on this forum (and some envy). And the more you invest, the better your build gets. And then there are the monsters as well... this game is actually pretty well made!
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Jun 14 2019, 22:47
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rokyroky
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jun 14 2019, 22:21)  well, it is also a credit generator. It needs to be both: credit sink for rich catgrills and credit machine for new players. And the sunken credits do give reward. There is a lot of appreciation for Awesome Builds on this forum (and some envy). And the more you invest, the better your build gets. And then there are the monsters as well... this game is actually pretty well made!
I understand, very well balanced. I like it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jun 14 2019, 23:02
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yami_zetsu
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it's Grind: The Game
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Jun 15 2019, 00:30
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(Ea-Moon @ Jun 14 2019, 12:33)  You just need to start watching MLP so all the characters are super familiar!
I did unfortunately, cringed hilariously, & stopped immediately. QUOTE(decondelite @ Jun 14 2019, 12:41)  He shouldn't even have any difficulty, because:
Gonna point out a lot of things, but the main point is that i got my hands full with one as a hobby.
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Jun 15 2019, 01:48
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Jun 14 2019, 22:47)  I understand, very well balanced.
Ehm, very well balanced? Are we talking about the same game that makes itself harder the higher your level is without giving the player any actual benefit for it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Jun 15 2019, 04:45
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sickentide
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isn't it normal for games to get harder as you progress? and since levelling up is the only direct measure of progress in this game...
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Jun 15 2019, 09:39
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Jun 15 2019, 04:45)  isn't it normal for games to get harder as you progress?
True , but as a player you actually benefit from this in one way or the other, better drops what in HV atm is just not the case. When you have done all trainings, get all drop related hath perks and play on PFUDOR, you allready get the best drops that are out there. QUOTE(sickentide @ Jun 15 2019, 04:45)  and since levelling up is the only direct measure of progress in this game...
Leveling up does as the game is right now only benefit you so far. I would say until level 400, when you literally dont get any benefits for level up that wouldnt get eaten up. Come on. It is true. Give a level 400 player the same equipment as i have, something that is not impossible and he clears everything faster than i can. And have i any benefit for my overall slower cleartime? No, atm i have not. Therefore the game as it is right now is not well balanced. Oh, i still have hope 10bo will fix someday, so please dont get me wrong. This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Jun 15 2019, 09:40
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Jun 15 2019, 09:56
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Noni
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jun 15 2019, 09:39)  True , but as a player you actually benefit from this in one way or the other, better drops what in HV atm is just not the case. When you have done all trainings, get all drop related hath perks and play on PFUDOR, you allready get the best drops that are out there. Leveling up does as the game is right now only benefit you so far. I would say until level 400, when you literally dont get any benefits for level up that wouldnt get eaten up. Come on. It is true. Give a level 400 player the same equipment as i have, something that is not impossible and he clears everything faster than i can. And have i any benefit for my overall slower cleartime? No, atm i have not. Therefore the game as it is right now is not well balanced. Oh, i still have hope 10bo will fix someday, so please dont get me wrong.
In my opinion, the game invites you to switch to other styles during the leveling up. I used: 2h->1h->1hmage->cold imperil mage->dark imperil mage->dark non-imperil mage Next step for me would be holy if I would invest even more into the game. And yes, that would give me even more reward in clear times and awesomeness. If you stick to one style, yes the game will slow you down in the end. For me, after lv400 I got a big boost from switching to 1h mage and mage. Then at lv500 I got a big boost because of availability of gear for dark mage. And now, I get a big boost from every bit of proficiency that I can squeeze out of my 4+1 build (currently 0.934 prof factor, and a small but noticeable improvement from 0.930)
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Jun 15 2019, 10:01
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Nezu
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Most games do get more difficult as the level rises, yes, but often they become more punishing of mistakes while the gameplay becomes more complex and refined: you may play at a much faster pace.
So in that regard, levelling as melee then switching to mage would fit the mould - but sticking to 1H, then yes, all that happens is that it gets slower.
Part of the problem with that might be that proficiency bonuses are undertuned for melee, or that abilities just aren't substantial enough to make any difference after 400ish. Those are both areas that could be attacked to improve high-level gameplay without penalising lower levels along the way.
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Jun 15 2019, 10:22
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KitsuneAbby
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The real isue lies in the pace at which a players tougen up compared to monsters. It is designed so that you need stronger and stronger equipments to beat the monsters. But ultimately, some playstyles / equipment types suffer from this. There seems to be a cutoff where equipment + ability scaling matches the monster's, but according to my observations it's very, very high in terms of forging, and simply impossible to reach with some setups. Aside from this, I find that the ability system to upgrade playstyles (1H, 2H, DW, staff), as a whole, is completely unfit. It simply destroys the very purpose of having different equipment stats. I mea, what's the point of having Axes that are supposed to sport the highest ADB, if in the end the 1H/DW ability makes a large part in your attack base damage? For instance, I find it absolutely hateworthy to the the proud owner of the 2H that has the highest ADB in the entire game, only to find out that my general attack base damage is lower than my 1H set. Shouldn't I be the strongest melee player with the strongest weapon? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) EDIT: The mechanism of PMit, MMit, Imperil and Penetrated Armor is at fault too. PMit and MMit are exceedingly punishing, Imperil and PA apply additively, while they should apply as layers to be more balanced. In other words, Imperil and PA should be more efficient against tankier monsters, and not the opposite. This post has been edited by decondelite: Jun 15 2019, 10:31
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Jun 15 2019, 10:33
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Uncle Stu
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You know, i would allready fell not kicked so hard in the dick, if you would still get the additional prof bonus from dawn would after reaching level 500. Because imo that is just dick move. As if the game would say "Oh, reached level 500? Well here let me show you my middle finger." (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Jun 15 2019, 20:19
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Doracra
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i'm back
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Jun 15 2019, 22:35
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Noni
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QUOTE(Doracra @ Jun 15 2019, 20:19)  i'm back
yay!
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Jun 16 2019, 00:33
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yami_zetsu
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QUOTE(Doracra @ Jun 15 2019, 13:19)  i'm back
I heard there's a monster afraid of your gear
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Jun 16 2019, 00:39
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KitsuneAbby
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1) "I fear shortsword" pops in the round 2) Me : "Yes you do!" 3) Fatality (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by decondelite: Jun 16 2019, 00:40
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Jun 16 2019, 02:03
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Jun 14 2019, 18:57)  Rainbowdash with hat makes me squint much & now this?  How do i punch the system in the face to tell it that i'm not a bot? What? That's clearly Pinky Pie. Absolutely obvious (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Jun 16 2019, 23:48
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EsotericSatire
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There is a my little pony manga now. Hentaiverse update confirmed?
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Jun 17 2019, 00:14
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KitsuneAbby
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I don't think so. Tenbro is not in that anymore.
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Jun 17 2019, 14:22
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jun 16 2019, 12:14)  I don't think so. Tenbro is not in that anymore.
So Tenboro gets a foreign country into MLP then moves on. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) If only the plan succeeded sooner.
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