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post May 3 2019, 02:02
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QUOTE(mouisaac @ May 2 2019, 20:52) *

I've sold more than a catgirl now, too poor to stop the rise of the price of GS (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Previously, when prices were between 30m and 40m, orders appearing on the WTB were serviced quickly (within 2 days). Even later, when the price reached 50m (and remained steady for some time), the requests did not take long to be met.

Today, even with orders of 60m, 65m and 68m, people have been waiting for more than a week, with no answers.

This situation is really only good for those who sell stars. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post May 3 2019, 02:04
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ May 3 2019, 01:49) *

There are people offering 70 million for a Gold Star!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

This is scary and disturbing. The value does not stop rising. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) And by the lack of sellers, how far can the price go? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Well, there is a reason why i dont have a Septua Star allready. And when prices keep increasing like that, i may never have one, to think that i once planed to be a catgirl. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post May 3 2019, 02:33
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i think im done with mage, even though the clear speed is almost twice as fast as melee i just don't like how much more i need to pay attention and it isn't as fun for me at least. I'll probably stick with my radiant 1h build which is still quicker than my almost fully forged melee, for when i feel like playing mage.

i would rather spend money on experimenting with melee builds. probably going to fully forge my peerless shocking shortsword and see if i can improve my pffest time with it over my rapier.

I have no doubt that shortsword would be quicker than rapier if the bleed chance was more than 25% chance on hit to make up for the low bleed dmg modifier. i always thought it was 20% of my ADB but it turns out there is a hidden .4 multiplier on the wiki that makes bleeding = (ADB * .20) * (# of Stacks * .4).

it seems really misleading to me at least. it should really state that bleeding is 8% of you ADB multiplied by your total number of stacks on target

10k ADB:
1 stacks = 10k * .08 * stacks = 800 dmg per turn
2 stacks = 10k * .08 * stacks = 1600 dmg per turn
.....
max(5) stacks = 10k * .08 * stacks = 4000 dmg per turn ------> 40% of your ADB a turn

essentially you get a total of 8% ADB a turn per each stack which maxes out 40%. what is the 20% supposed to represent, just a random number in the equation?



edit: just noticed katanas have 30%, it makes more sense now but i still don't understand why it is represented this way.
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post May 3 2019, 02:58
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You can read the history about that. Bleed used to be outright 1 stack * dot% * base damage, like you expected (around 2012).
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post May 3 2019, 08:13
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Bleeding is certainly not what makes me so fast to clear PFFEST, just saying. It's Imperil and the higher ADB of a shortsword.
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post May 3 2019, 16:07
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So this happened...

I got my first Legendary just a few days ago.
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/191820184/19871afbd7

After some careful consideration, I decided to IW it and use it for a while.

Then this happened, when I got my Rapier to IW 10:
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/192215524/9ae1dd54ba

I guess I have a new weapon to use while I grind this one to IW 10.

Makes me question if the God of RNG loves or hates me.
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post May 3 2019, 17:03
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QUOTE(Finestela @ May 3 2019, 16:07) *

So this happened...

I got my first Legendary just a few days ago.
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/191820184/19871afbd7

After some careful consideration, I decided to IW it and use it for a while.

Then this happened, when I got my Rapier to IW 10:
https://hentaiverse.org/equip/192215524/9ae1dd54ba

I guess I have a new weapon to use while I grind this one to IW 10.

Makes me question if the God of RNG loves or hates me.


Nice items for your level. Although 'vampire' sucks (what's in a name), the balance shortsword is probably better. You can sell them when you've outgrown them.
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post May 3 2019, 17:45
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ May 3 2019, 10:03) *

Nice items for your level. Although 'vampire' sucks (what's in a name), the balance shortsword is probably better. You can sell them when you've outgrown them.


Yeah, the short sword is better stat wise, it's just that it makes me feel I've wasted those time doing the IW for the Rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Not to mention I got it ON the IW run that got the Rapier to IW 10.

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post May 4 2019, 03:00
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(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Firefix just deactivated every single addon i used for good. I mean damned, that doesnt make any sense. From justblack, over noscript to tampermonkey. What the hell? One or two, yeah, can happen, but all? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post May 4 2019, 03:26
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ May 3 2019, 21:00) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) Firefix just deactivated every single addon i used for good. I mean damned, that doesnt make any sense. From justblack, over noscript to tampermonkey. What the hell? One or two, yeah, can happen, but all? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


What version of FF?
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post May 4 2019, 03:31
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 4 2019, 03:26) *

What version of FF?

When that did happen it was around a month old version, but i did update it and nothing did change. No matter what i do i am not able to fix this problem, i cant even update them, it is just telling me something about i should check my connection because the download did failed. As if i wasnt pissed enough the last time that did happen because of an update, but that wasnt the case now. I did nothing, i got online, got my dawn, got my monster gifts, did sent an MM with CoD to a customer and bam, FF did deactivate all my addons.

Well, looks like i am not the only one. Seems as if FF did deactivate quite a few addons because of expired signature. Imo some at FF did really fucked up, i mean we are talking about way too many addons, as if those just forgot to renewed the signature. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

I wonder how long this will take them.
[bugzilla.mozilla.org] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973

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post May 4 2019, 06:56
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meh, I switched back to dev build.
Get dev or nightly version [www.mozilla.org] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/desktop/, install it, go to about:config, find xpinstall.signatures.required and change it to false.
go to Help > Troubleshooting information, click on the button near Profile Folder to open it.
Do the same in your old FF, close browsers, copy everything from old profile into new one.
Voila, it should look exactly the same with all bookmarks, addons and themes working.
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post May 4 2019, 08:15
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QUOTE(Nayas @ May 4 2019, 06:56) *

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Nah, that seems like work. I will solve that problem uncle style. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
(IMG:[media.giphy.com] https://media.giphy.com/media/5eFp76zhsq3uw/giphy.gif)
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post May 4 2019, 09:21
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As much as I hate Google's way of doing things, I still use Chrome because... Firefox is shit, no offense. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post May 4 2019, 09:26
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I've been using FF47 for 5-6 years now, afraid to fuck something up, like my bookmarks or opened tabs, but at the same time, that might be the reason why percentile ranges and HV Utils don't work perfectly for me, at least monsterbation works just fine
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post May 4 2019, 09:34
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QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ May 4 2019, 09:26) *

I've been using FF47 for 5-6 years now, afraid to fuck something up, like my bookmarks
I know that feeling, because of that i export them all everytime i do an update. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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No ETA for the fix yet; we're waiting on test results before making decision.
Hmpf. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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post May 4 2019, 09:39
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There used to be more than a couple of trophy buyers. Hath barons with FOS. They all seem to have quit, or at least temporary?

- FOS needs to be upgraded, please tenboro make it a bit better! Like one peerless of choice after 10 regular peerless
- HV could really do with a lv500 arena. For instance: 5x experience at cost of 5x stamina + legendary drop at end

This would be better than upgrading the trophy shrining. Market for equip is already saturated for everything but the best of the best gear, and making trophies give better stuff would only introduce even more good equips.

For now, I'm piling up the trophies. Almost 30 Noodlies now.
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post May 4 2019, 09:55
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I wish for a better monster interface, i wish we could upload pics, maybe draw our own monsters, that'd be cool, though it would take more t/s so many would still disable their graphics, but i feel these new designs would make bring more people for desire to make ocs
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post May 4 2019, 10:04
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ May 4 2019, 09:39) *
- HV could really do with a lv500 arena. For instance: 5x experience at cost of 5x stamina + legendary drop at end
I wouldnt say lvl 500 need its own arena, but it needs something. Atm lvl 500 is just equal to a kick in the dick. Hardest possible monster, slowest clearspeed, no more dawn prof and not even a single benefit to compensate that. Please 10bo show level 500 at least a little bit of love. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

QUOTE(DJNoni @ May 4 2019, 09:39) *

For now, I'm piling up the trophies. Almost 30 Noodlies now.
You call that pilling up? I have allready three diggits of noddlies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I once did hoped i could trade all my trophies for another star, but with falling prices for trophies and skyrocked prices for stars, that hope did die a while ago. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post May 4 2019, 13:05
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ May 4 2019, 08:39) *

There used to be more than a couple of trophy buyers. Hath barons with FOS. They all seem to have quit, or at least temporary?

- FOS needs to be upgraded, please tenboro make it a bit better! Like one peerless of choice after 10 regular peerless
- HV could really do with a lv500 arena. For instance: 5x experience at cost of 5x stamina + legendary drop at end

This would be better than upgrading the trophy shrining. Market for equip is already saturated for everything but the best of the best gear, and making trophies give better stuff would only introduce even more good equips.

For now, I'm piling up the trophies. Almost 30 Noodlies now.


Both of these are short-term bandaid fixes that wouldn't really address the problem long term. But then again, there is not really any sensible way to design a long-term system that doesn't simply become an infinite leaderboard (which obviously really only works for those who get in early). I could ramble extensively about the reasons behind short-term and long term fixes, but to keep it short... assuming the general sentiment is to keep existing gear valid (not introducing a new tier of gear every so often to keep the grind fresh), then systems implemented should make the grind longer rather than speeding up the race to the finish. Preferably, by adding new stuff.

I think there are a few things that could be done to help the trophy situation (direct and indirect), but many of them require considerable effort from 10b and I suspect such development time is beyond the scope of HV.

1) Balancing efforts for all types of gear and/or playstyle - making more types of gear valuable or usable in some way means more trophy drops might be useful, rather than the one in a million cloth or staff piece. I don't think anyone (sane) is shrining for leather right now, as an example.
2) 'Self-found' modes - making all shrine drops untradeable in exchange for higher drop rates, perhaps.
3) Reasons to find more of the same - 'dupe mashing', perhaps, where two items of the same time could be combined to upgrade it in some way. (Increasing base values? A handful of random forge upgrades? Increased forge limits? etc)
4) Changes to IW as a content option - if about 50% of legendaries had 100-round IWs, with another reward akin to the grindfest crystal modifier, even trashy legendaries would be more desirable as IW fodder.
5) Salvage rewards relative to high value items - what if you could salvage a cloth piece with matching affixes for a phazon?

If you want a healthier economy, it's better to look at solutions that make it broader - a more active market with lots of items moving, and lots of participants - rather than taller, with a few extremely rich people providing the bulk of the trade. Blackjac's trophy buying is a good example there... he was pretty much the sole source of a huge chunk of economic mobility for poorer players, and without that, poorer players might prefer to save up a lot longer to buy a high quality item rather than buying lower tier legendaries to last them until then, because they're forced to make careful economic decisions thanks to the price of forging etc.

Can't wait to be torn to pieces by the more clever minds of the forums now... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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