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I already imagined the costs of finding+buying the said doujin, but I don't understand why the costs of both shipping and scanning.

So 2 hours of your life cost more credits as i can get in two months? Yeah, seems legit. I know why i am never even close to this part of the forum. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Dude, that's 30 yen per page and yes, forgive me for wanting to be paid for my work? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
I mean, I can go do some freelance teaching for 2 hours and make enough money for a gold star.
Or I can scan some doujins and get even less credits for my time?

I think I'm being pretty damn reasonable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I already imagined the costs of finding+buying the said doujin, but I don't understand why the costs of both shipping and scanning.

Finding is not an issue, as long as the bounty poster is not mentally challenged and supplied a link to buy the doujin.

Shipping costs because.... Japan. Unless you've got amazon prime and buying doujins off amazon, everything has shipping costs. Cause... It costs money to ship? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Scanning is something a lot of people are not even considering.
Even if you own a scanner, it takes a while to scan a full doujin.
That's not something you do just for fun.
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I'm sure there's plenty of people that don't value their time/value their time quite low. And they are happy to do low income bounties, but personally 16k per yen spent is my minimum, otherwise it's more profitable for me to just go do some part time work and sell stars (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Dude, that's 30 yen per page and yes, forgive me for wanting to be paid for my work? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So what now? Do you get paid for your time, or per pages? Because from this sentence i would think it is the second, but then it would make no sense even to mention those two hours when they have nothing to do with it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

are you debating that time and effort are not both useful metrics to measure income against?

So what now? Do you get paid for your time, or per pages? Because from this sentence i would think it is the second, but then it would make no sense even to mention those two hours when they have nothing to do with it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

No no, 30 yen is what I PAY the scanner machine at the local convenience store.
So for a 236 page doujin that's 7k yen I am dumping into a machine. (at that point probably better to buy a scanner for like 10k~).

And the 2 hours I mention is because there's 3 different things that go into the profitability of a bounty:

1. Cost of doujin
2. Cost of shipping/handling/scanning
3. Time investment

All 3 are important.
You wouldn't buy a doujin for 5,000 yen that gives you 1m credits, cause that's just absurd.
As absurd as buying a doujin that has like 5,000 yen in shipping/handling/scanning costs that gives you 1m credits.
And just as absurd would be buying a cheap doujin that has no shipping/handling costs when you own your own scanner......... That has 5,000 pages that you need to scan for like a week straight.... To get 1m credits.


See what I'm saying?

This post has been edited by KamuiSeph: Apr 8 2019, 20:14

So 2 hours of your life cost more credits as i can get in two months? Yeah, seems legit. I know why i am never even close to this part of the forum. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

It's an unpleasantly high cost, yeah, but he's just breaking even on what he has to pay in real money to make it happen, compared to just selling a gold star.

But that's more a reality of the way HV economy works, I guess. You either get very lucky drops, or slow income, and the rest of the economic movement is related to out-of-game things like hath trading or gold star selling. I guess there's also people with very large amounts of very very heavily invested monsters, but that's an extremely long-term goal for someone who plays primarily (or solely) f2p.

he's just breaking even on what he has to pay in real money to make it happen, compared to just selling a gold star.

Yeah, just like any other investment/business/work related thing.

If you buy a scanner specifically to scan doujins, you bet your ass the cost of said scanner has to be paid for by the credits I earn.

Otherwise why buy it in the first place?
Same with time invested translating a doujin.

You would pay 100$ to a freelance translator to work on your doujin, but expect to only pay ~10$ worth of credits on a bounty? OK... Good luck with that.

I think someone who's like 16 or 17 and doesn't really have a monetary value attached to their time, or has no disposable income... That's a person that would go for a low-credit bounty.

But once you know how much you can earn by working and you see how much you would get for your time invested, you can't help but compare.

And when that comparison is 100$ vs 10$, why on earth would you NOT pick the 100?

I have not really an idea how some people actually get the money for some of those bounties together and i like to think of me as part of the richest 20% around here.
And yes, i see it now.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Apr 8 2019, 21:30

I have not really an idea how some people actually get the money for some of those bounties together and i like to think of me as part of the richest 20% around here.

Well, I think people like atomicpupper, for example, don't really participate in auctions or buy HV related stuff at all.
Can't remember the last time I saw any of the top bounty contributors in a single Super/Kedama auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I might be completely wrong though, who knows.

But, if you don't spend the credits/hath/gp you get from uploading/torrents/H@H/etc on gear, what DO you spend them on?
Bounties.

the credits/hath/gp you get from uploading/torrents/H@H/etc

I dont even get anything for any of that, not even for etc. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I dont even get anything for any of that, not even for etc. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

It's the 1% hoarding all the gold, Uncle. We gotta rise up and eat the rich!

I dont even get anything for any of that, not even for etc. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Wait, what?
How do you earn credits then?
Solely through farm??

Farm, Dawn, Monsterlab and that is it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I prefer not to think about the massive amounts that uploaders and various toppers get from selling GPs.
Because this is where they really get that many credits from.

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And then you have weirdos like RoadShoe who simply sell industrial amounts of hath.

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And then you have stoopids like me who do neither and pray snowflake that they stop dropping shit and finally sell something worthwhile.

I prefer not to think about the massive amounts that uploaders and various toppers get from selling GPs.
Because this is where they really get that many credits from.

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And then you have weirdos like RoadShoe who simply sell industrial amounts of hath.

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And then you have stoopids like me who do neither and pray snowflake that they stop dropping shit and finally sell something worthwhile.

To be fair, the biggest issue the mega-rich cause is that desirable equipment can run up prices that are completely unrealistic for anyone playing entirely on HV income. And that's kind of not a terrible thing! I know you of all people will be the first to say that it doesn't have to be super expensive to get into the endgame, it's just optimisation after that point.

Best thing that could be done right now to combat that imo is to put more valuable items into circulation - the more things poorer players can trade off to richer players, the better. Fewer people buying EDs these days is starting to cause a serious drop in income for the poor. I think almost all my credits now come from actual drops, and occasional auctions.

To be fair, the biggest issue the mega-rich cause is that desirable equipment can run up prices that are completely unrealistic for anyone playing entirely on HV income. And that's kind of not a terrible thing! I know you of all people will be the first to say that it doesn't have to be super expensive to get into the endgame, it's just optimisation after that point.

Best thing that could be done right now to combat that imo is to put more valuable items into circulation - the more things poorer players can trade off to richer players, the better. Fewer people buying EDs these days is starting to cause a serious drop in income for the poor. I think almost all my credits now come from actual drops, and occasional auctions.

I don't think it's necessarily bad that all the super duper gear is out of reach for most players (myself included).

There would be no point in anything, really, if we all have peerless sets.
What do you farm for then?
Full peerless, full trainings, lvl 500..... No point in HV anymore, really.

It's like going into a game with godmode.
It's fun for a while but boring AF afterwards.

I bet that Uncle here plays more than any person in the 19% above Uncle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I bet that Uncle here plays more than any person in the 19% above Uncle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Ehm, i dont have 1k bloodtokens and i still dont have 100 monster slots. So i have no idea what make you think that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I don't think it's necessarily bad that all the super duper gear is out of reach for most players (myself included).

There would be no point in anything, really, if we all have peerless sets.
What do you farm for then?
Full peerless, full trainings, lvl 500..... No point in HV anymore, really.

It's like going into a game with godmode.
It's fun for a while but boring AF afterwards.

Yeah, and it's because of the desire for shining stuff that pulled me in. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Underestimated the difficulty of getting peerless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

You can still farm for the sake of farming or farm stuff that looks cool (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Or fight for the speed, or play all kind of styles, like my PHD mage which is pretty fun (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


I still kinda remember I join HV because I want some credits. And here I am after half a year still wanting some credits.
Maybe the amount conveyed in the word "some" is much different now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I don't think it's necessarily bad that all the super duper gear is out of reach for most players (myself included).

There would be no point in anything, really, if we all have peerless sets.
What do you farm for then?
Full peerless, full trainings, lvl 500..... No point in HV anymore, really.

It's like going into a game with godmode.
It's fun for a while but boring AF afterwards.

I bet that Uncle here plays more than any person in the 19% above Uncle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Same goes for basically any game, man. MMOs only prolong it by releasing new tiers of gear occasionally, and setting off a new cycle of money being spent on consumables, upgrade materials etc. (I guess a slight exception to that is games where you can lose enormous investments, like a certain space trading game). Either way, the economy stagnates and wealth piles up whenever there's not frequent enough change. But imagine how frustrating it'd be if you needed to buy a new pair of boots once every now and then, rather than keeping your peerless forever? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Economy balancing in games is extremely fine, and honestly, it's well beyond the scope of HV. This is basically a rewards system for contributors - it's a miracle that it's as playable as it is for everyone else, too. A solution that would simultaneously preserve the efforts everyone has made so far, while also shaking up the economy... would be an extremely inefficient use of 10b's time, I think

This post has been edited by lestion: Apr 8 2019, 23:02

I don't think it's necessarily bad that all the super duper gear is out of reach for most players (myself included).

yes, it is most fortunate that the peasants consider themselves fortunate