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Well, i was not talking about realism. Just about plausibility. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

I was talking more about the aesthetic of such combination

What if it's really fancy club? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/JSXlqAZ.jpg)

What if it's really fancy club? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

Definitely better than the caveman-style club that was on my mind. :3

So that is how clubs are suppose to look like? I allways imagen them to look like this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
(IMG:[i.pinimg.com] https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/22/ca/4622ca85ae039a3da1b0f96af97a9112.jpg)

Definitely better than the caveman-style club that was on my mind. :3

And it has hidden stiletto and nice redwood case (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

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This post has been edited by Benny-boy: Aug 14 2018, 02:50

And it has hidden stiletto and nice redwood case (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

Compared to that club a rapier now looks plain in my eyes. >.>

What if it's really fancy club? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/JSXlqAZ.jpg)

So that is how clubs are suppose to look like? I allways imagen them to look like this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
(IMG:[i.pinimg.com] https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/22/ca/4622ca85ae039a3da1b0f96af97a9112.jpg)

And it has hidden stiletto and nice redwood case (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/iQq1EIf.png)

How can we definition if a Blunt Instrument a Club or a Mace?

I don't know anything about Touhou except for seeing random hentais, but how come I don't recognize any of these girls? I did some brief googling and it seems they are perhaps too old Touhou characters?

Also I searched this artist and pretty much nothing comes up, so I guess all I can do is look at his pixiv page? No hentais of bunny girl? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Your vision is distorted by the hentai.

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/hgosZth.png)

I'll admit it's harder for a beginner not to recognize them without their clothes, or worse without their ZUN hat.

On topic (or not?):
It's because club+rapier looks stupid that I'd play dual shortsword. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I really know nothing about Touhou. I don't think I recognized those girls even after I googled their normal appearance. I only know Touhou girls originally from seeing hentais here, so some of them I don't know what clothes they normally wear, but at least I can recognize a few of them. I don't know what a Zun hat is, but I know the small blue hair girl wears a pink hat.

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Hentai object for insertion into female?

(IMG:[i.pinimg.com] https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/22/ca/4622ca85ae039a3da1b0f96af97a9112.jpg)

Food carrying stick for Popeye?

How can we definition if a Blunt Instrument a Club or a Mace?

As far as I understand club is any stick-based crushing weapon, according to wiki including maces, flashlights and nunchucks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

As far as I understand club is any stick-based crushing weapon, according to wiki including maces, flashlights and nunchucks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Well, it's a good Explanation. I've playes Might and Magic 678 and Diabolo 2, where Mace and Club are two different Kinds of Weapons, so I ask this Question. But in Ragnarok Online they're the same Type.

How can we definition if a Blunt Instrument a Club or a Mace?

Iirc the mace is a further development of a club that is at least partial made of metal and more effective against armored targets. That is because maces have usual sharp or pointed parts that can go trought the armor and into the body, while clubs are blunt and not able to penetrade into the body.

Iirc the mace is a further development of a club that is at least partial made of metal and more effective against armored targets. That is because maces have usual sharp or pointed parts that can go trought the armor and into the body, while clubs are blunt and not able to penetrade into the body.

I don't know that Mace is a Development of Club before, what I've learnt is that both Mace and Club are Blunt Instrument. It's good that I can learn this from you here.

Well it was the logical consequence when full body armor became more and more comon. Btw the usage of maces just like the morning star and the crossbow was considered unknightly. I guess they just didnt liked any weapons that could actually kill them in their armor. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I guess they just didnt liked any weapons that could actually kill them in their armor. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Not really, just like swords could not penetrate plate armor the morningstars couldn't either.
Crossbow too weren't too effective, they had a chance of penetrating an armor only at short distance and with a perfect hit at 90° angle.

But since plate armors costed an arm and a leg there weren't a lot of fully armored soldiers so it didn't really matter than match (and there were a lot of other ways to fight, blunt weapons to bend the plates and inflict damage, targeting the weak spots, throwing off the balance etc etc).

The morningstar had a higher chance of getting trought the armor, i have no real doubts about that, a far smaller point to concentrade the energy and pierce the armor. Also i never said anything about the range, the possibility that a peasant "could" kill a knight in his armor was enough for them to really hate those. And even when movies want to tell us otherwhise, most knights did only wear a gambeson under a mail. And even when they where able to protect from a crossbow bold, they could only do that to a certain point. Just like bulletproof vest today -cant tell you how much i even hate that name - are not bulletproof but just bullet-resistant. And an armor from the middle ages has a far higher chance to have a fabrication defect and just let the bolt in. And back an these days? Well that was nearly as good as a death sentence.

What if it's really fancy club? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif)

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/vuXkovR.jpg)

The morningstar had a higher chance of getting trought the armor, i have no real doubts about that, a far smaller point to concentrade the energy and pierce the armor. Also i never said anything about the range, the possibility that a peasant "could" kill a knight in his armor was enough for them to really hate those.

Well, firearms had no problem being used by peasants in the later centuries.
Reason is they were actually effective.
Plate armors offers complete protection from slashing and a fucking good protection from piercing, sword couldn't pierce them (even an estoc had to target the weak spots, maybe getting the speed from an horse charge could do the trick, but very different scenario) so no, those things just weren't effective enough.
If you want some examples there are a bunch of videos you can found around, first I've found is this but there are definitely a lot of other ones where people try to penetrate plates and it's pretty fucking hard, even with a gambeson (plate + chain mail was pretty heavy after all).
And speaking of gambesons, padded leather could stop arrows so it's not like it doesn't offer any protection.

But let's say than a morningstar manages to puncture the armor (which is unlikely), what happens is that the weapon only penetrates for a couple of cm and gets stuck, forever, so no real wound but you lose your weapon.
Not that effective.

And an armor from the middle ages has a far higher chance to have a fabrication defect and just let the bolt in.

While the material (in particular the quality of the steel) was probably from inferior to vastly inferior I doubt that the were any problems with the craft, getting the armor pierced means death so they weren't half-assing them.
The craft was there.
I have a friend that does re-enactment and teaches medieval sword techniques (btw, armored fighting techniques were all close range, you either targeted a weak spot of the armor, the head or tried to make the opponent trip, that's all, if they had better weapons to exploit the armor weaknesses they would have used them), he had the chance to try a couple of historical weapons, he says that they are leap and bound superior to what you can get now so I seriously doubt that many armors had fabrication defect outside of not-so-good-steel.

Well, firearms had no problem being used by peasants in the later centuries. Reason is they were actually effective.

Only after the invention of the Rifling. Because without it a inexperienced shooter couldnt hit shit. And even when the rifling was invented allready in sometime in the 15th century it still took iirc around 200 years until the rifle actually did replace the muscet, btw now that i have looked up the therm rifling (just as a translation to the therm itself) i am supprised that in english some actual rifles are called musket, that doesnt make any sense.

If you want some examples there are a bunch of videos you can found around, first I've found is this but there are definitely a lot of other ones where people try to penetrate plates and it's pretty fucking hard, even with a gambeson (plate + chain mail was pretty heavy after all).

Yeah, imo the problem with such demonstrations is allways they are nothing but that. It is just not the same as under combat conditions. But maybe you are right. I am no expert for mediaeval weapons, i just wrote right from what i did remember from my research a few years ago.

And speaking of gambesons, padded leather could stop arrows so it's not like it doesn't offer any protection.

Hey, i never said they wouldnt. Read my post i did even compare them to modern "bulletproof" vests. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Btw if you want continue the conversation i am okay with that. But i am not really in the mood for a real disputation. So.... yeah.

While the material (in particular the quality of the steel) was probably from inferior to vastly inferior I doubt that the were any problems with the craft, getting the armor pierced means death so they weren't half-assing them.

You know what the problem is with handmade craft? That it is handmade. And such a chain mail is made of so many chains, that it is for a human just impossible to craft all of them in the same quality. A lucky hit from a bold on an unlucky made chain and the bolt had one problem less.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Aug 15 2018, 06:34

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Well good luck with that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)