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May 11 2018, 18:47
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2018, 18:40)  haha in Enatcon's eyes you are rich with that money
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May 11 2018, 18:50
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chjj30
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It's OK, if we don't have Knowledge, because everyone starts like a Tabula Rosa. But it's dangerous, if we refuse to learn Things and Knowledge. And be rude to other People, who has different Minds, doesn't help.
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May 11 2018, 18:58
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Ea-Moon
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2018, 18:40)  I remember years ago reading an article from a leftist rag that bragged about how so many people in Norway were millionaires with their socialist government. Here's the catch: they were talking about millionaires in Norwegian kroner, which at the time was something like 8 kroner to the USD By that logic Zimbabwe is a resounding success, and South Korea is also one of the wealthiest countries in the world as well.
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May 11 2018, 19:13
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Drksrpnt
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Is warding really that bad of a suffix for power armor? The one I put into super's auction is savage with 79% ADB, but it's warding... another that's savage and protection with 30%ish ADB is going for 500k. I don't get it.
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May 11 2018, 19:27
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qw3rty67
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Melee hits you every turn. Spells hit you if they roll for it. Spirit attacks hit you if they live long enough to use them.
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May 11 2018, 19:56
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Piscolabis
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 11 2018, 17:13)  Is warding really that bad of a suffix for power armor? The one I put into super's auction is savage with 79% ADB, but it's warding... another that's savage and protection with 30%ish ADB is going for 500k. I don't get it.
Most attacks are physical, thats why protection is much better.
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May 11 2018, 19:57
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 11 2018, 19:13)  Is warding really that bad of a suffix for power armor? The one I put into super's auction is savage with 79% ADB, but it's warding... another that's savage and protection with 30%ish ADB is going for 500k. I don't get it.
Nope. They're just overestimating Protection, since it's highlighted in red. Balance should be.
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May 11 2018, 20:14
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ May 11 2018, 19:13)  Is warding really that bad of a suffix for power armor? The one I put into super's auction is savage with 79% ADB, but it's warding... another that's savage and protection with 30%ish ADB is going for 500k. I don't get it.
No. Put in the balance that Protection offers roughly 30% more PMit than non(protection, Warding roughly 70% more MMit than non-warding, and that most monster attacks are physical but magical attacks tend to be very powerful, and in the end it's probably quite balanced. To have an accurate estimation we'd need to register all attacks performed by monsters in a complete session. If someone is courageous enough to create a script for that, he'd get a big thanks from me and the other wiki contributors for providing an important tool used for the research field. So IMHO, if we assume that tenbro balanced things roughly correctly (which proved to be the case in most fields, as far as our research shows it), we could also assume that Warding is just as good as Protection. I do have bought a Savage of Warding to finish my set BTW. But I suppose I'm also the one who you're referring to for the 500k bid, and let me put it straight: I'm investing in Savage of Protection for a very specific use (Power 2h) that really needs to tank the average attacks very well so that I don't need to heal all the damn time due to physical hits.
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May 11 2018, 20:32
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Scremaz
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QUOTE(chjj30 @ May 11 2018, 18:50)  Tabula Rosa.
tabula rasa sir, if you allow me. QUOTE(Ea-Moon @ May 11 2018, 18:58)  Here's the catch: they were talking about millionaires in Norwegian kroner, which at the time was something like 8 kroner to the USD
i don't want to start a political debate, but in echonomics' terms, the value of your 1 unit of coin (€, $, yen, whatever) is determined - among other things - also by how many other coins there are around. if there are too many coins, you may find yourself with a bunch of money on your hand, but which in proportion allows you to buy less things than when there were only 1/10 of the coins around. now, if we assume that a hint about inflation for a nation may be to check what's the biggest value of coin and the lowest one, what happened in Zimbabwe is only the extreme consequence of what mentioned above: you have a shitload of money, that not even bill gates, bono and scrooge mcduck could ever concieve... which may (or may not!) allow you to purchase a piece of bread! mind you, this is not as obvious as it seems since an italian politician a couple years ago was asked "italians are in average poorer than some years ago, what do you plan to do?" "we'll print more money!" QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ May 11 2018, 19:57)  Nope. They're just overestimating Protection, since it's highlighted in red.
aye. QUOTE(decondelite @ May 11 2018, 20:14)  No. Put in the balance that Protection offers roughly 30% more PMit than non(protection, Warding roughly 70% more MMit than non-warding, and that most monster attacks are physical but magical attacks tend to be very powerful, and in the end it's probably quite balanced.
also, PMI/MMI are only the last of your safety layers, and they are added by layers. hence, a mere protection piece more won't bring you as good as people may think. still a status symbol though. QUOTE(decondelite @ May 11 2018, 20:14)  So IMHO, if we assume that tenbro balanced things roughly correctly (which proved to be the case in most fields, as far as our research shows it), we could also assume that Warding is just as good as Protection.
buuut.... we were shown, or we're merely assuming as a quick workaround? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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May 11 2018, 21:51
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chjj30
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 12 2018, 02:32)  tabula rasa sir, if you allow me.
Yes I agree, I can't speak Latin and when someone points out my Problem, it's me who can profit from it.
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May 11 2018, 22:38
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mundomuñeca
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QUOTE(chjj30 @ May 11 2018, 18:50)  It's OK, if we don't have Knowledge, because everyone starts like a Tabula Rosa. But it's dangerous, if we refuse to learn Things and Knowledge.
cough cough ... ehmm ... about Knowledge, it's "Tabula Rasa" meaning "empty table" in latin, you know, NOT "Tabula Rosa" which means "pink table" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(Ea-Moon @ May 11 2018, 18:58)  I remember years ago reading an article from a leftist rag that bragged about how so many people in Norway were millionaires with their socialist government. Here's the catch: they were talking about millionaires in Norwegian kroner, which at the time was something like 8 kroner to the USD By that logic Zimbabwe is a resounding success, and South Korea is also one of the wealthiest countries in the world as well.
Leaving aside Zimbabwe, South Korea really is one of the wealthiest countries in the world on average, according to a lot of economic indexes and statistics. If people is not particular happy there or doesn't feel like being particularly well off, is a matter of psichology more then economics. And about Norway, this nation not only has GDP and other economic indicators among the best in the world, its richness is also very evenly distributed between most of the population, you can see it by just looking at her Gini Index, one of the best of all Europe together with Sweden. So less sarcasm, economic is not so easy as to be shrinked in wise-pills like "more money means inflation" that may be totally true or only partially true or even totally false depending on a lot of factors and circumstabces. Or worse like "money value is based on banks gold" which is simply completely wrong; the total monetary value of banknotes is hundreds of times the value of all gold reserves existing in the world. Besides, the total aggregate nominal value of M1 (the ledgers' money, something like all deposits + credits) is also a hundredfold multiple of just the sum-total of all coined banknotes in the world. US is busy printing dollars for every possible need they have (not least wars here and there) since tens of years, yet inflation has not been a problem (until now at least), just this example should make you think that there is something more complex going on in an economic system then your Eco-101 standard thinking (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 11 2018, 23:11
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Noni
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ May 11 2018, 22:38)  cough cough ... ehmm ... about Knowledge, it's "Tabula Rasa" meaning "empty table" in latin, you know, NOT "Tabula Rosa" which means "pink table" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Leaving aside Zimbabwe, South Korea really is one of the wealthiest countries in the world on average, according to a lot of economic indexes and statistics. If people is not particular happy there or doesn't feel like being particularly well off, is a matter of psichology more then economics. And about Norway, this nation not only has GDP and other economic indicators among the best in the world, its richness is also very evenly distributed between most of the population, you can see it by just looking at her Gini Index, one of the best of all Europe together with Sweden. So less sarcasm, economic is not so easy as to be shrinked in wise-pills like "more money means inflation" that may be totally true or only partially true or even totally false depending on a lot of factors and circumstabces. Or worse like "money value is based on banks gold" which is simply completely wrong; the total monetary value of banknotes is hundreds of times the value of all gold reserves existing in the world. Besides, the total aggregate nominal value of M1 (the ledgers' money, something like all deposits + credits) is also a hundredfold multiple of just the sum-total of all coined banknotes in the world. US is busy printing dollars for every possible need they have (not least wars here and there) since tens of years, yet inflation has not been a problem (until now at least), just this example should make you think that there is something more complex going on in an economic system then your Eco-101 standard thinking (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) economy isn't a science. It's more like a religion, I suppose. I don't particularly like religions. R'amen to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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May 12 2018, 00:14
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Enatcon
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ May 11 2018, 23:11)  economy isn't a science. It's more like a religion, I suppose. I don't particularly like religions. R'amen to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Using that analogy, crypto is that weird cult that worship only one god. They refuse to pay their respect to any other gods, they even refuse to recognise the Emperor as a living god ! They must be thrown to the lions in the arena !
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May 12 2018, 07:27
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chjj30
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ May 12 2018, 04:38)  cough cough ... ehmm ... about Knowledge, it's "Tabula Rasa" meaning "empty table" in latin, you know, NOT "Tabula Rosa" which means "pink table" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I learn that from John Locke and I can't spell it right. And Latin has also the Word "rosa"? I also don't know that, haha.
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May 12 2018, 08:27
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nec1986
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Im pretty sure whole economic stuff is just pure merchant dealings. For example, inside country we use money as universal exchange product. We just need way to make trades simple without looking who wanna "trade fish for shoes". In other words person spends something (time, knowledge and so on) for exchange and price is just some ratio accepted by both sides. Then we come to international level and its absolutely same. One nation can say "our time worth more than time of X country" and it either leads to:
-No one buys it for such price and then price drops. At the end if country consumes 1 point of product, sells 0, but makes 5 points then 4 d just lay at storage. -X country wants to buy it anyway and then accepts their time cost less.
So its pretty easy. Country who has influence makes much better deals.
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May 12 2018, 09:49
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ May 10 2018, 01:35)  it takes time, dude... you're doing it right, just do some more. If you want a quick fix, spent some real cash on the game. Otherwise, it's a game that takes time.
Anyone who thinks this game is bad, try Simcity Buildit. Their Global Trade Headquarters is a scam designed specifically to drive you to spend real cash on the game. Then you hit level 30 and that Omega bullshit. That's when I just stopped playing and went back to Monster Hunter World, Skyrim and Fallout 4. Against Buildit, Hentaiverse is a paradise.
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