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LVL 423 RoB PFU Invisible Pink Unicorn (´｡• ω •｡`)

Scanning Yuki Nagato...
HP: 1553680 / 1553680 MP: 36% SP: 25%Monster Class:LegendaryMonster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Crushing
Fire:+75% Cold:+75% Elec:+75% Wind:+75% Holy:-1% Dark:-1% Crushing:-1% Slashing:+50% Piercing:+50%

Scanning Invisible Pink Unicorn...
HP: 4956291 / 4956291 MP: 10% SP: 15%Monster Class:Ultimate Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Holy
Fire:+95% Cold:+95% Elec:+95% Wind:+95% Holy:+95% Dark:-1% Crushing:+50% Slashing:+50% Piercing:+50%

That's weird. Fire mit isn't the same as above.

It was hit by your spike shield. (*^‿^*) Imperil and procs will affect the scan.

This post has been edited by reality_marble: Jan 23 2018, 17:14

Lvl 298 PFUDOR FSM RoB

That's weird. Fire mit isn't the same as above.

due to your spike shield, i guess. not relevant though, bosses mitigations are well-known already. here we're trying to find their END and PMI/MMI

due to your spike shield, i guess. not relevant though, bosses mitigations are well-known already. here we're trying to find their END and PMI/MMI

That might be it. Been using Elec Shield.

Endgame
Scanning Dalek...
HP: 660611 / 760326 MP: 37% SP: 49%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Piercing
Fire:
+75%
Cold:
+75%
Elec:
-1%
Wind:
+75%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

Longest Journey
Scanning Mithra...
HP: 760326 / 760326 MP: 34% SP: 24%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Slashing
Fire:
+75%
Cold:
+75%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+75%
Holy:
-1%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

Dreamfall
Scanning White Bunneh...
HP: 748324 / 760326 MP: 35% SP: 87%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Piercing
Fire:
+75%
Cold:
-1%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+75%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

Eve of Death
Scanning Konata...
HP: 1138844 / 1161554 MP: 70% SP: 44%
Monster Class: Legendary
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Crushing
Fire:
+75%
Cold:
+75%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
-1%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

Exile
Scanning Manbearpig...
HP: 641040 / 760326 MP: 85% SP: 91%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Slashing
Fire:
-1%
Cold:
+75%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+75%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Jan 23 2018, 23:00

PFUDOR level 366

-Endgame
Scanning White Bunneh...
HP: 121950 / 425490 MP: 51% SP: 48%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Piercing
Fire:+75%
Cold:-1%
Elec:+75%
Wind:+75%
Holy:+75%
Dark:+75%
Crushing:+25%
Slashing:+25%
Piercing:+25%

-Longest Journey
Scanning Dalek...
HP: 355137 / 425490 MP: 100% SP: 40%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Piercing
Fire:+75%
Cold:+75%
Elec:-1%
Wind:+75%
Holy:+75%
Dark:+75%
Crushing:+25%
Slashing:+25%
Piercing:+25%

-Sealed Power
Scanning Manbearpig...
HP: 425490 / 425490 MP: 22% SP: 21%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Slashing
Fire:-1%
Cold:+75%
Elec:+75%
Wind:+75%
Holy:+75%
Dark:+75%
Crushing:+25%
Slashing:+25%
Piercing:+25%

-New Wings
Scanning Mithra...
HP: 425490 / 425490 MP: 0% SP: 21%
Monster Class: Rare
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Slashing
Fire:+75%
Cold:+75%
Elec:+75%
Wind:+75%
Holy:-1%
Dark:+75%
Crushing:+25%
Slashing:+25%
Piercing:+25%


This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Jan 24 2018, 01:46

The Trio and the Tree
Scanning Urd...
HP: 1842280 / 1842280 MP: 43% SP: 11%
Monster Class: Ultimate
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Piercing
Fire:
+75%
Cold:
-1%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+75%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

Scanning Skuld...
HP: 1842275 / 1842280 MP: 37% SP: 20%
Monster Class: Ultimate
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Crushing
Fire:
+75%
Cold:
+50%
Elec:
-1%
Wind:
+75%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

Scanning Verdandi...
HP: 1842280 / 1842280 MP: 68% SP: 45%
Monster Class: Ultimate
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Slashing
Fire:
+75%
Cold:
+50%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
-1%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%

Scanning Yggdrasil...
HP: 1482898 / 1488005 MP: 39% SP: 45%
Monster Class: Ultimate
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Void
Fire:
-1%
Cold:
+50%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+75%
Holy:
+75%
Dark:
+75%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+25%


Scanning Real Life...
HP: 3412308 / 4057100 MP: 100% SP: 72%
Monster Class: Ultimate
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Void
Fire:
+55%
Cold:
+55%
Elec:
+55%
Wind:
+55%
Holy:
+95%
Dark:
+95%
Crushing:
+50%
Slashing:
+50%
Piercing:
+50%

A Dance with Dragons
Scanning Rhaegal...
HP: 2384848 / 2384848 MP: 32% SP: 11%
Monster Class: Dragonkin, Power Level 1675
Monster Trainer: Snowflake
Melee Attack: Crushing
Fire:
+50%
Cold:
+20%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+50%
Holy:
+62%
Dark:
+62%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+0%

Scanning Drogon...
HP: 4669621 / 4677923 MP: 44% SP: 49%
Monster Class: Dragonkin, Power Level 1575
Monster Trainer: Snowflake
Melee Attack: Crushing
Fire:
+50%
Cold:
+37%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+50%
Holy:
+0%
Dark:
+62%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+0%

Scanning Viserion...
HP: 2374534 / 2384848 MP: 18% SP: 42%
Monster Class: Dragonkin, Power Level 1675
Monster Trainer: Snowflake
Melee Attack: Crushing
Fire:
+50%
Cold:
+20%
Elec:
+75%
Wind:
+50%
Holy:
+62%
Dark:
+62%
Crushing:
+25%
Slashing:
+25%
Piercing:
+0%


Scanning Invisible Pink Unicorn...
HP: 6306771 / 6310178 MP: 100% SP: 80%
Monster Class: Ultimate
Monster Trainer:
Melee Attack: Holy
Fire:
+95%
Cold:
+95%
Elec:
+95%
Wind:
+95%
Holy:
+95%
Dark:
-1%
Crushing:
+50%
Slashing:
+50%
Piercing:
+50%

That should be all.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Jan 24 2018, 04:02

Just went tow to toe with FSM and blew some tokens for you guys (got defeated)

end/agi was determined by hitting them and writing down the damage both with and without imperil on FSM, and just normal damage on one of the girls who isn't weak to slashing. One thing to note, is that the damage results I got did not make sense with my stats going into the battle or buffs applied.

Then using my abacus as a masturbation device to get some numbers to pop out, below.

FSM Normal range
569, 854 avg: 711.5
FSM Imperil range
878, 1317 avg: 1097.5

Mikuru Girl Normal range
676, 1014 avg: 845

FSM damage increased from imperil: 1097.5/711.5=1.542917x

Now for the magic

FSM Assumed base stats 250
Stats from base stats 250*0.01*430=1075
Stats from level 0.3325*430^1.076675=227.6
Total Stats (all) = 1303
PMI from stats: 1-900/(900+1303+1303/2)=0.684708
Damage taken: 0.315292
PMI after imperil: 0.684708*0.75=0.513531
Damage taken (imperil): 0.486469
Damage increase: 0.486469/0.315292=1.542917x
matches yay!

Can also be verified as the correct value and calculated the other direction by doing the following
Imperil mod divided by damage increase to get damage taken while imperiled: 0.75/1.542917=0.486469
Convert damage taken while imperiled to PMI (imperiled) 1-0.486469=0.513531
Convert imperiled PMI to normal PMI: 0.513531/0.75=0.684708
Assume stats for FSM are the same across the board: 1-900/(900+x+x/2)=0.684708 and solve for x
Total stats: x=(-900/(0.684708-1)-900)/1.5=1303
Base stats: (1303-(0.3325*430^1.076675))/(0.01*430)=250
Isn't it funny how the recheck is almost easier than the original solution!?

Now as for Mikuru, also assuming same stats across the board.
Damage taken is on average 1.187632x higher than FSM: 845/711.5
FSM Damage taken: 0.315292
Mikuru damage taken = 1.18789*0.315292=0.374451
PMI: 1-0.374451=0.625549
Solving for x again:1-900/(900+x+x/2)=0.625549
Total stats: x=(-900/(0.625549-1)-900)/1.5=1002
Base stats: (1002-(0.3325*430^1.076675))/(0.01*430)=180
Pretty nice huh?


Now for the discrepancy:
Character sheet says i should be doing 3725 damage unbuffed, or 1862.5 damage after the mobs slashing mitigation and before its PMI.
average expected damage on FSM: 1862.5*0.315292=587 which is less than what I was achieving: 711.5
Slashing mitigation on scan was 50% (unless today is a slashing day and something funny was going on)
Calculating specific mitigation:
Damage done over attack_stat*(1-PMI): 711.5/(3725*0.315292)=0.60
Damage done over attack_stat*(1-PMI): 845/(3725*0.374451)=0.60
Slashing mit = 1-0.6=0.4
0.4=/=0.5...
Shrug??


Forgot my bath perks. Doesn't impact conclusion on primary stats since player attack range drops out of the equation when relative.

At least with imperil you can get two data points to verify something. Specific mitigations can be looked at later. Maybe it has something to do with the changes tenboro made to how specific mit was calculated on players???

Also if these two are right, you can probably assume the table I made at the bottom of https://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Bestiary#Stats is correct, and just needs to be multiplied by 10 for all stats like how it was done for monsters when they lab stats was changed.

PS. next time costs money
Also highly suspicious of base_health on https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Stats as I do not know where it came from


Tl;Dr

FSM 250 across the board stats
GIRLS 180 across the board stats

This post has been edited by skillchip: Jan 24 2018, 20:49

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2. Place a proxy bid on the same item for secure
3. Outbid myself competitor immediately (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
4. Competitor edited post to invalid the reveal, and use proxy to snipe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

This post has been edited by morineko: Jan 24 2018, 17:19

4. Profit for the seller. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

1. Bid item
2. Place a proxy bid on the same item for secure
3. Outbid myself competitor immediately (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

0. Place 1,000,000,000, or more if you have more, credits bid on said item.

Also highly suspicious of base_health on https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Stats as I do not know where it came from

Regular monsters which stats are perfectly known. A.K.A. President Donald Trump and Uj Ibn Anaq (PL2250 Giant, Fortitude rank 20).
Matches their HP 100% accurately at Lvl500, though there is a tiny difference when below.

After two hours of calculations, it appears that whatever I try just cannot make everything match correctly. Now then, assuming that tenboro did apply the HP level scaling factor appropriately, I am coming to the following conclusion:
1) The correct formula is this

Health Points = (50 + monster_level * 10 + END * 5) * difficulty_mod * level_mod * class_mod * (1 + chaos_fortitude_rank * 5%)
with level_mod = 1+MAX(0;3*($B$4-100)/400)

2) The "scaled stats" formula is wrong!

But then, even when removing the exponential factor from the scaled stats, it's impossible to reach the correct HP value by toying around with endurance. So that one theorical HP formula I've written here cannot ever be right, especially when it comes to level_mod. So far that formula written in the wiki right now seems to be the closest to what the actual HP is. I've tried to question admin regarding this matter, and I've got a "working as intended" answer, which doesn't help me.

The only other formula that seems quite close to the reality, is this one:

Health Points = (100 + monster_level * 10 + END * 5) * difficulty_mod * level_mod * class_mod * (1 + chaos_fortitude_rank * 5%)
with level_mod = MAX(1 ; (monster_level - 100) * 0,01)

Basically the one written in the wiki, with 100 instead of 50, but no "base_hp".

So there are a few mysteries to solve around here.

This post has been edited by decondelite: Jan 24 2018, 18:59

Regular monsters which stats are perfectly known. A.K.A. President Donald Trump and Uj Ibn Anaq (PL2250 Giant, Fortitude rank 20).
Matches their HP 100% accurately at Lvl500, though there is a tiny difference when below.

After two hours of calculations, it appears that whatever I try just cannot make everything match correctly. Now then, assuming that tenboro did apply the HP level scaling factor appropriately, I am coming to the following conclusion:
1) The correct formula is this

2) The "scaled stats" formula is wrong!

So base health is bunk? Could you match it or not? Use strikethroughs!

The stat formulas I came up with are likely to be provable from a few data points. Since monsters get a flat amount from level as an exponential formula, and a linear amount based on their lab stats and level in the field. The exponential number was derived from excel solver with those assumptions, and fit to match incoming monster damage, expected turn order from AGI, health, mana, and SP. Things were easier to check before when MP and SP were visible as a number instead of a percent.

This post has been edited by skillchip: Jan 24 2018, 18:13

Uncle Stu, UnknowDestroyer, reality_marble, gianfrix94: you earned the datas, so (apart for thanking you for your help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) allow me to ask you: no levelups while you scanned, and all datas have been collected at PF, right?

you know, just to be sure and to eliminate two possible error causes

Uncle Stu, UnknowDestroyer, reality_marble, gianfrix94: you earned the datas, so (apart for thanking you for your help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) allow me to ask you: no levelups while you scanned, and all datas have been collected at PF, right?

you know, just to be sure and to eliminate two possible error causes

Possible other issue, new special stats or bonuses from their super special class of legendary and ultimate

Uncle Stu, UnknowDestroyer, reality_marble, gianfrix94: you earned the datas, so (apart for thanking you for your help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) allow me to ask you: no levelups while you scanned, and all datas have been collected at PF, right?

you know, just to be sure and to eliminate two possible error causes

Sure, in my case, all PFUDOR level 366.
Soonish i should be able to give data for FSM too.

Possible other issue, new special stats or bonuses from their super special class of legendary and ultimate

possible. but that has yet to be theorycrafted, for now let's confirm what we can (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Believe me, I'm spending a damn looooot of time trying to figure out what is the cause of the small difference in HP we're getting.
At that rate, I'll soon end up asking if I can use a test account with a low level, really.

Uncle Stu, UnknowDestroyer, reality_marble, gianfrix94: you earned the datas, so (apart for thanking you for your help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) allow me to ask you: no levelups while you scanned, and all datas have been collected at PF, right?

you know, just to be sure and to eliminate two possible error causes

No, all 470 and of course PF.

This post has been edited by Uncle Stu: Jan 24 2018, 19:27

I still believe the stat calculations I came up with are correct. As for HP I agree something is going on.

I-screamヽ(°〇°)ﾉ Z! mine was single round at PFUDOR RoB ┐(￣∀￣)┌ so 120% sure

need more data to compare lvl x hp in any of those?