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post Dec 12 2017, 11:21
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Hallowed/demonic is also good against the average regular monster, since most species have less resistance to those elements. It's clearly better than the other elements without pairing with the proper elemental shield. It's more arguable when the other elements are paired with their elemental shield, this can also depend on your targeting style because monsters aren't always afflicted with the ailment.

I still prefer hallowed/demonic because they are strong against the most dangerous/damaging monster species.
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post Dec 12 2017, 18:23
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QUOTE(morineko @ Dec 12 2017, 16:26) *


Most of the stuff you listed there is overrated though.
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post Dec 12 2017, 18:49
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I believe that it's been made on purpose to boost the GP market.
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I won't bite.

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post Dec 12 2017, 20:35
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Yep, I spent around 7m in less than 10 days at the lottery (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Dec 12 2017, 20:59
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QUOTE(Piscolabis @ Dec 12 2017, 14:23) *

Most of the stuff you listed there is overrated though.

3 of the 6 aren't endgames equipp, are "The End" <( ̄︶ ̄)> equipp
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post Dec 12 2017, 21:11
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 12 2017, 19:59) *

3 of the 6 aren't endgames equipp, are "The End" <( ̄︶ ̄)> equipp


Only the axe is truly endgame and the arctic staff situationally( a destruction one will usually perform better).


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post Dec 12 2017, 21:14
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QUOTE(Piscolabis @ Dec 12 2017, 20:11) *

Only the axe is truly endgame and the arctic staff situationally( a destruction one will usually perform better).

The axe isn't really endgame for any style besides gimmicks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
1H uses rapier (and if you want 1H gimmick with axe you WANT it to be hallowed or demonic because the burden) and DW goes more easily with club+rapier (stun aka no op necessary aka more damage and crit than axe+rapier) or rapier+waki (defense).

The cap of niflheim is endgame, since prof gloves are enough with full peerless...right?

Longsword nope, elec staff is 3rd choice, ice staff is 2nd choice, the mystic cap is...mystic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Dec 12 2017, 21:22
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Dec 12 2017, 21:14) *

The axe isn't really endgame for any style besides gimmicks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
1H uses rapier (and if you want 1H gimmick with axe you WANT it to be hallowed or demonic because the burden) and DW goes more easily with club+rapier (stun aka no op necessary aka more damage and crit than axe+rapier) or rapier+waki (defense).

The cap of niflheim is endgame, since prof gloves are enough with full peerless...right?

Longsword nope, elec staff is 3rd choice, ice staff is 2nd choice, the mystic cap is...mystic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


longsword kinda pretty nice with ofc though
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post Dec 12 2017, 21:26
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Dec 12 2017, 20:14) *

The axe isn't really endgame for any style besides gimmicks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
1H uses rapier (and if you want 1H gimmick with axe you WANT it to be hallowed or demonic because the burden) and DW goes more easily with club+rapier (stun aka no op necessary aka more damage and crit than axe+rapier) or rapier+waki (defense).

The cap of niflheim is endgame, since prof gloves are enough with full peerless...right?

Longsword nope, elec staff is 3rd choice, ice staff is 2nd choice, the mystic cap is...mystic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


Radiant cap would be better.

About the staff, i believe someone did the calculations and the result was that if you had fully forged radiant set, it performed slightly better than destruction, but thats very unlikely to achieve.

Anyways, a lot of stuff on lottery gets a very inflated ticket count, even if it is not that good.
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post Dec 12 2017, 22:11
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Dec 12 2017, 17:14) *
Longsword nope

will never into of highlander this waysヽ(`⌒´メ)ノ must respect the powers of longsword (ಠ o ಠ)¤=[]:::::::::::::::::>

QUOTE(Piscolabis @ Dec 12 2017, 17:26) *
fully forged radiant set, it performed slightly better than destruction, but thats very unlikely to achieve.

Peerless radiant, nonetheless. Unrealistic (; ・_・)
In a "theoretical" perfect build using current equipment range data on wiki, staff of destruction gives <2% more spell damage, while a 4 piece peerless radiant set would give <1% more damage for the elemental suffix staff. Differences between a peerless destruction vs peerless niflheim in redwood is negligible in terms of damage, except the name being cooler on the Niflheim option. I assume that with archmage it gets different (but that would be silly?).


butt, wells, yuo can stll considers this fuccing nothings differents into making crimsonwood staff of breakage the 1st optionings ヾ( ̄◇ ̄)ノ〃 of suppose
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post Dec 12 2017, 22:36
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QUOTE(Piscolabis @ Dec 12 2017, 20:26) *

Radiant cap would be better.

About the staff, i believe someone did the calculations and the result was that if you had fully forged radiant set, it performed slightly better than destruction, but thats very unlikely to achieve.

Anyways, a lot of stuff on lottery gets a very inflated ticket count, even if it is not that good.

Idk about radiant/charged. I saw a lot of elemental mages prefer charged over radiant though.

As for the lotteries, the counts are always inflated because there is rich people with H@H that overflows with GP and wants to win something with those.
Do you wonder why the same people appears over and over in the winners list everyday?
That's because they bet a fix percentage (probably 5 or 10%) of the total ticket count everyday, even if that count is low (<40k), just to have a decent chance to win. And they win.

For a "normal" player such behaviour is impossible to substain, of course (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


QUOTE(reality_marble @ Dec 12 2017, 21:11) *

will never into of highlander this waysヽ(`⌒´メ)ノ must respect the powers of longsword (ಠ o ಠ)¤=[]:::::::::::::::::>

Yeah penis, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Dec 12 2017, 23:48
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For mage, what's better in gfest: destruction/EDB staff + one cotton piece+4phase OR all phase?
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post Dec 13 2017, 00:05
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QUOTE(treesloth @ Dec 12 2017, 22:48) *

For mage, what's better in gfest: destruction/EDB staff + one cotton piece+4phase OR all phase?


PFudorfest: Destruction + charged cotton (shoes) + 3 charged phases + 1 radiant phase. That works for my cold set. Imperil style, of course.

all charged would work too.

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post Dec 13 2017, 00:12
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Dec 13 2017, 08:05) *

PFudorfest: Destruction + charged cotton (shoes) + 3 charged phases + 1 radiant phase. That works for my cold set. Imperil style, of course.

all charged would work too.


Thanks; I see you play dark also. Does the above also work for Dark in pfufest?
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post Dec 13 2017, 00:32
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QUOTE(treesloth @ Dec 12 2017, 23:12) *

Thanks; I see you play dark also. Does the above also work for Dark in pfufest?

slightly differences, afaik. holy/dark imperil is less effective than elemental imperil, so you'll have to boost prof with armors a bit more. *at the very least* switching from gloves to head, iirc.
prof perk is a nice boost as well.
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post Dec 13 2017, 01:19
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slightly differences, afaik. holy/dark imperil is less effective than elemental imperil, so you'll have to boost prof with armors a bit more. *at the very least* switching from gloves to head, iirc.
prof perk is a nice boost as well.


That makes sense, thanks! I'm trying to find a way to grind without having to cast imperil...
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post Dec 13 2017, 01:48
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QUOTE(treesloth @ Dec 12 2017, 21:48) *
For mage, what's better in gfest: destruction/EDB staff + one cotton piece+4phase OR all phase?
I haven't seen an EDB staff go for rates that imply they're anywhere near desirable compared to Destruction. That's not proof of anything though.

If you use Imperil (and elemental), then you want to get at least 0.68 prof_factor and no more than ~0.70 prof_factor; take into account the new up-to-600 prof gain, and then get whatever combination of equips will take you to 0.68+ with full forging. (Back when I was playing regularly, pants with near 100% elemental prof were what I needed, but nowadays you might be able to use a cap instead once you grind prof a bit past 500, maybe. If you don't want to spend a ton on incredible equips and forging, robe works just fine.)

No-Imperil style (with Holy or Dark, preferably) needs proficiency too, probably 1.0 prof_factor if you can get there - use the same calculations, just use whatever slots will get you there without (much) overflow after full forging. I'm doubtful that full phase is the best option for any style.

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Like I said a bit earlier, no-Imperil style became much less desirable in general for high-level players, now that monster HP is more tied to player level instead of difficulty.
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post Dec 13 2017, 02:07
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QUOTE(morineko @ Dec 12 2017, 05:26) *

Coincidence


That's the Shadowcat guy! We're taking you to the vet to get your nards snipped so you don't have any more litters of neko monsters.
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post Dec 13 2017, 02:08
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Dec 13 2017, 00:48) *

No-Imperil style (with Holy or Dark, preferably) needs proficiency too, probably 1.0 prof_factor if you can get there - use the same calculations, just use whatever slots will get you there without (much) overflow after full forging. I'm doubtful that full phase is the best option for any style.

and imperil holy/dark need 0.8. you forgot that.
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