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post Oct 24 2017, 17:15
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Oct 24 2017, 18:11) *
Always better to finish off what you started, just to keep PA stacks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As I thought. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Just in theory, if we are talking not about PA proc - is it still better not to spray the damage?
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post Oct 24 2017, 17:25
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With my method my average time for TT&TT is 1 minute faster. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Oct 24 2017, 20:10
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Oct 24 2017, 08:10) *

Well, i hover the mouse cursor up and down, up and down and just stop when a monsters has significant more HP as the rest.

I do it the same way.

If it takes 5 swings to kill a monster and there are 4 monsters, it is 20 swings total to kill them. It doesn't matter if you kill them one at a time or do 4 swings each, then finish them all off with swing #16, 17, 18, 19, and 20.

Killing them off one by one makes Monster #1 dead sooner in those 20 swings, and do less damage to you. But one of the advantages of high mitigation heavy style is you're unconcerned by damage until it goes above your regen (regen spell and/or health draught).

Going with the spread style (kill nothing until the last 5 swings), monster #1 dies on swing #16 instead of swing #5, and therefore gets to attack you 11 more times, provoking more counters in 1H style. It's also alive for more domino strike opportunities with 2H or Niten. So you do more damage, and reduce how many total swings (from that 20) you need to inflict.

I would say only DW (out of melee) should really focus on killing off things as fast as possible. But then DW also plays around with stacks of bleeding wounds, which also encourages spreading style. So your mileage may vary.
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post Oct 24 2017, 20:29
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Oct 24 2017, 20:10) *

But then DW also plays around with stacks of bleeding wounds, which also encourages spreading style. So your mileage may vary.

till a certain point. due to their actual damage and to DW's speed bonus (which can reach 20% even without slotting the ability), BW is useful basically only to finish mobs with a laughable amount of HP. something like 1 hit spared per mob.
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post Oct 24 2017, 21:28
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QUOTE(Cryosite @ Oct 24 2017, 20:10) *
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Except for the fact that:
- You waste a lot of PA stacks, needing more swings per monster
- If monsters in the middle die first, you need wider swing, therefore more time, to hit the remaining
- You get more or less the same counters anyway since some monsters die thrice as fast compared to others
- You have to move your hand several times in a round instead of one for each monster
- You have to pay attention to see which monsters died first

Too many flaws to consider it.

I just use that on REs since OFC is always ready and I build more OC that way.
But only for RE.
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post Oct 24 2017, 22:41
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Totally unrelated to HV question.

Is this some sort of international official list of the books every student/scholar/pupil should read before end of school/graduation?

I know there are list made by BBC, various associations, but is there a world-wide list, approved by some international organisation specialized in education/culture programs? Like reference that any student in any country with any native language may use?

Sorry for such weird question (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:06
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In what terms? __〆( ̄ー ̄ )
Technical material (math, geography, etc)?
Literature? ....φ(︶▽︶)φ....

Because every single country will have their own versions of these (^-^*)/. I didn't used the same physics books someone in the USA would use ╮(︶▽︶)╭ neither read the same literature someone in Germany would read ┐(‘~` )┌

It is just impossible due to HUGE (°ロ°) ! local differences. A BBC list might fit for UK english speaking people, but not for chinese people
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:13
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my thoughts exactly.

though, if we really want, math and science don't change too much from one country to another (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:13
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You can spray between 2 or 3 targets and keep PA active without a problem, but you can't spray everyone. This middle solution is best, but for most players it's not worth the time it takes to be picky.

Keeping stun active is another issue, only attacking the stunned monsters, and switching when the stun expires. It also requires time. If you have very low turns/second you can combine both, for a very efficient strategy.

If you spray everyone your PAs may wear off and you will often attack enemies who are not stunned. If you purely focus, you will get less benefit from counter attacks. Almost certainly focusing is the safest way to play, when you need it in IW or something. (It's arguable that the middle "perfect" method could be safer).
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:25
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QUOTE(as013 @ Oct 23 2017, 15:13) *

Actually I considered changing it to Eternal Bork but then my shop name wouldn't be as013's spiral of happiness anymore so I decided not to change after all

How about Eternal Bjork? Then you can wear a swan dress. And anyway, if you change your name, you can still have a spiral of happiness shop. What difference would that make if you changed your name?


On another matter, I have a question. Do PL maxed monsters still roam HV battles aimlessly even if the monster trainer is no longer around?

I thought that was done away with but I'm wondering about someone I haven't seen around in a long time whose monsters are still active.
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:29
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QUOTE(Sesshomaru Moon @ Oct 24 2017, 21:25) *
On another matter, I have a question. Do PL maxed monsters still roam HV battles aimlessly even if the monster trainer is no longer around?
As long as said trainer isn't banned, yes, see Kodou Yuki
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:35
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 25 2017, 00:06) *

In what terms? __〆( ̄ー ̄ )
Technical material (math, geography, etc)?
Literature? ....φ(︶▽︶)φ....

Because every single country will have their own versions of these (^-^*)/. I didn't used the same physics books someone in the USA would use ╮(︶▽︶)╭ neither read the same literature someone in Germany would read ┐(‘~` )┌

It is just impossible due to HUGE (°ロ°) ! local differences. A BBC list might fit for UK english speaking people, but not for chinese people

Literature. Shakespear, Orwell, Fitzgerald, so on.
That is why I am asking - is such list exist? Maybe some organisation analyzed world literature and came up with list, of, say, 200 books every student should read/know? Like a worldwide treasure of poetic and prosaic sense. And such organisation did recommend this list to schools/universities and latter are using it in teaching?
That is what I am looking for.

I thought it is obvious that I am talking about literature, not math or science (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Oct 24 2017, 23:51
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 24 2017, 11:29) *

As long as said trainer isn't banned, yes, see Kodou Yuki

So they do remain active. I wasn't sure because I won't see a maxed monster for ages and then it'll suddenly show up in battle so I thought the trainer came back and started feeding it again. I know banned people's monsters are deactivated but that explains the mystery of why I'm seeing my unbanned pal's monsters when he hasn't been here.

Why are untended PL maxed monsters still active when they haven't been pilled or fed? Makes no sense. Plus it's heartbreaking because I look for my pal on the forum thinking he's still here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:57
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QUOTE(Sesshomaru Moon @ Oct 24 2017, 23:51) *

Why are untended PL maxed monsters still active when they haven't been pilled or fed?

to encourage people to level their mobs: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Important_Power_Levels

the only drawback is that mob won't bring gifts to trainer.
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post Oct 24 2017, 23:59
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 24 2017, 13:41) *

Totally unrelated to HV question.

Is this some sort of international official list of the books every student/scholar/pupil should read before end of school/graduation?


Every country has their own standards. Many subjects have objective components (math, sciences) and it is pretty easy for a country to adopt the same standard as other countries as a result. This can give the illusion of an international standard. Other areas, such as history and the arts may have heavy local political biases/impacts.

There is no agreed-upon list of books that I know of, no. Even here in the US, different school districts decide which pieces of literature, for example, are considered required. They choose which math books (hopefully the most current, but not always) to teach from.

As long as a student stays in their home country, you can expect their education to be accepted. When a student travels to other countries, the new country may not value their education much. I've spoken with a number of immigrants here who have their home country's equivalent of a master's degree and 5-10 years of experience in their field, but none of it being accepted by universities or employers here. Forcing them to take unskilled jobs or go to school again.

You could read up on "accreditation" if you want to learn more. The basic idea is that the reputation of the school/school district is respected by other schools/employers, so they trust that school's assertion that students they taught are skilled. A specific list of books is not really part of that.

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post Oct 25 2017, 00:20
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 24 2017, 11:57) *

to encourage people to level their mobs: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Lab#Important_Power_Levels

the only drawback is that mob won't bring gifts to trainer.


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1,000

Effects
Will never be deactivated

Oh shit. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Well, I guess that's one way to clog up HentaiVerse. For what it's worth, I certainly don't want my monsters roaming around without me looking after them. That's like leaving teenagers alone in the house, same monster behavior. You know they'll smoke pot and break stuff.
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post Oct 25 2017, 00:22
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QUOTE(Sesshomaru Moon @ Oct 25 2017, 00:20) *

You know they'll smoke pot and break stuff.

i guess there's a chance, yep.
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post Oct 25 2017, 00:29
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Oct 24 2017, 19:35) *
Literature. Shakespear, Orwell, Fitzgerald, so on.

Considerings many Nobel prizing winnings 〜〜(/ ̄▽)/ 〜ф are people nobody ever knew about, but won because the swedish (swedish?) peoples like them, or are swedish themselves ....φ(・∀・*) (swedish?)... not into workings for full planets ( ̄□ ̄」)

How many egyptian modern authors would make list (←_←)? If none, then why would egyptians people read such (→_→) list? This kinds of problems appear. Why would 1984 by Orwell be on the list, but not We by Yevgeny Zamyatin (¬ ¬ ) Because that would happen for sure.

"No needings into reading ⁽⁽◝( • ω • )◜⁾⁾ - ―――→ because chinese culture only culture".
"Book talks about Constantinople, so banned in Turkeys (>m<)"
And so on...
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post Oct 25 2017, 00:36
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QUOTE(reality_marble @ Oct 25 2017, 00:29) *

How many egyptian modern authors would make list (←_←)?

uhu. speaking of which, a couple of very famous DJs/producers and a quite-busty singer are Egyptian. and they even do some good stuff. just saying.
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post Oct 25 2017, 00:40
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When I read what you guys are saying regarding PA stacks, it really makes me think that PA is not that great for a 1H playstyle (save for SG arenas), as a 1H playstyle efficiency is known to come from spreading your attacks and keeping as many monsters alive as possible to maximize the amount of counterattacks.

I mean, if you focus your attacks on a single monster to kill it straight away just because you want to use the PA as much as possible, then it's one less monster that will suicide on your shield in the current round. I'm not entirely sure that this method is that much better when you quickly end up with 5/10 monsters with more than half their HP bar instead of 7/10 monsters that are near-death.

I'm not even counting the fact that many monsters are made out of papier-mache, for which PA won't have much effect.
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