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yes, i told it thrice only in this page...

Just as i told you, that it makes no sense to discuss something with people who are always right. And i was just correcting a false statement and answering post of other people. If not for Mights question, the topic would be allready crippled, finished, killed and buryed to me.

then might is a bad person and should feel bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

You forgot the severe consequences that my follow if he doenst change his behavior. Did you still not learn that they are very important in such a case? How is he otherwhise suppose to feel like all his afford was absolute worthless and unwanted in the first place? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

please don't tag anything that you are not 100% sure of. Same goes for upvoting existing tags. Best way to go about tagging is: read all definitions of tags you want to use, only then start using them. New tags is better than upvoting, by the way.

Simple example:
New gallery, untagged. You see it's Russian. You know that the language is Russian, no doubt. Then you tag l:russian. And your tag score goes up.

I'd go a step further. Tagging ability (and productive contributions) are much more important than tag volume, tag points., and even tag accuracy. Upvoting languages and l:translated on new galleries sure is an easy way to get lots of tag points, but does it actually accomplish anything useful? If the language is already in the title and is correct, then perhaps not. (Not that you can't, it's just not really a productive use of time for helping the site)

Also remember that if a tag already has over 10 power, it's searchable by default, which is usually all that matters. For similar reasons, you're free to upvote if you want points, but it may well only be useful if it's a controversial tag that might get downvoted (like cheating/NTR/lolicon), or if it helps clarify something (like futanari vs shemale), or something of the sort.

I've heard that many taggers only ever upvote and rarely or never downvote - probably try not to be one of those.

I highly recommend that taggers aim for productive contributions rather than for points. If someone wants to figure out how to tag well, I think the best way is to search out, identify, and downvote inaccurate tags, which is always useful. You'll quickly learn the wiki definitions and what to be most careful of when tagging. (post to the Abuse thread for more power when you're sure) Don't worry, there are lots of bad tags to be found.

they merely looked at numbers.

The numbers only tell some of the story though.

For example, let's say there's someone who frequently votes up and down on the more difficult tags, such as the ones [reasoningtheory.net] below 70% here. If their ratio of difficult tags to easier tags is 1:3, then even if they perform significantly better than most taggers, their accuracy may well be notably lower than 100% (maybe 97% or 95%, just to make up some numbers). They could do better with some effort, sure, but the point stands: someone looking at accuracy is hopefully also looking at the context of what's being voted on. Tag accuracy gives a decent broad overview, but unless it's pretty terrible, it's probably not something that should be all that concerning on its own.

But they cant do a mistake. They are allways right. So any discussion would make as much sense as explain to the pope that god doesnt exist. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Not at all. Everyone makes mistakes every once in a while, including the higher-ups, and as long as you understand that the official wiki definition for tags is the standard, anyone is free to argue their case, and we will listen

I have read enough from them to be sure about it. The maximum post from maximum joe just confirms my oppinion. 99% accuracy is for him equal to blind tagging. So, there is nothing to say, nothing to discuss and no opinion someone would want to hear. I really dont understand why that is something you dont get.

Not at all, I'm sure there are plenty of trusted taggers who happen to have 99% or 100% accuracy.

Joe was saying that problems are caused by people who vote on tags really fast, which is true, even if said user's official accuracy doesn't reflect it (yet).

The numbers only tell some of the story though.

what i wanted to say is that they were objective, it's not like they had anything personal against him. on the other hand, when i asked to speak with him they were all willing to give positive suggestions.
and i already told him...

Not at all. Everyone makes mistakes every once in a while, including the higher-ups, and as long as you understand that the official wiki definition for tags is the standard, anyone is free to argue their case, and we will listen

aye. one may be surprised to know how much road some of the current top taggers had to do to reach their positions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

lets change the topic. and not fuel the flames.
As it is The Official My Little Ponyverse Chat
Pony should be allowed here , (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (marking the end of previous discussion)



This post has been edited by ALL_MIGHT: Oct 12 2017, 21:56

Stop deleting my posts. Or I'm going to Tenboro about it.

Helpful advice

Thank you for helpful advice Super (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I wanted to send you PM, but instead will ask here (maybe one will find it useful too?).

What helpful scripts you can recommend to make tagging process easier/more effective?
Maybe there is already some handsome scripts that can make my life as a beginner tagger easier?
I have read all necessary wiki page (not all tags page, of course), but still kinda fear to give any tags...

Now, about HV...
What do you think about the idea to move all script-related threads into System Discussion sub-forum?

...and editing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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This is something new o.o
On e-hentai.org only.
I am using proxy, so not amazed, but still...

This post has been edited by f4tal: Oct 12 2017, 22:30

My last post wasn't deleted but it was sure heavily edited to take a lot of what I said out.

This place is nothing but a huge disappointing bummer.

This place is nothing but a huge disappointing bummer.

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either way, i'm positive about shifting guides and script discussions on system section. i may even ask for a rename, if people think it's not the proper place.
maybe we'll have a less clustered section this way...

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either way, i'm positive about shifting guides and script discussions on system section. i may even ask for a rename, if people think it's not the proper place.
maybe we'll have a less clustered section this way...

Hmm, maybe create a pool then? Just to let people discuss it in one place?

My voice is that I am not against this movement, however i don't see much purpose in it. It just make users to switch between two different sub-forums to find relevant information. Now they can find anything in once (this) place.

However I agree that SD is desert subforum, mostly because noone post here something and we need to do something with it.

I have a radical idea. Can we MERGE our HC subforum and SD subforum?
My calls are:
1. All information about the game would be in single subforum (both chat, ask experts, script, guides, bug tracking) - so one need not to switch between those two subforums.
2. It eliminates the problem of "desert" subforum.
3. It helps moderators and admin to patrone our posts more effective.
4. No more "you posted in wrong subforum" issue.

Discussion of patches is different subforum obviously.

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either way, i'm positive about shifting guides and script discussions on system section. i may even ask for a rename, if people think it's not the proper place.
maybe we'll have a less clustered section this way...

Interesting idea, Scremaz. It would make the chat a bit more focused on chat. However, you could argue that the current thread-structure is working quite well, as almost everything that is happening fits in basically 4 or 5 very active threads.

Sure, it may be difficult to find the right information for newbies. But what works right now is that the technical sub-forum is used so little, that any newbie sees it's not the place to go. Too dead. And once here, things aren't that hard to figure out.

I'd need to think on it for a bit, but I kind of prefer the Wiki to be the source of first basic advice, as well as the starting point for finding the right forum threads. For regulars & mods, only one active sub-forum to visit is quite handy.

Hmm, maybe create a pool then? Just to let people discuss it in one place?

already did back then. not too much of a success.

It just make users to switch between two different sub-forums to find relevant information. Now they can find anything in once (this) place.

However I agree that SD is desert subforum, mostly because noone post here something and we need to do something with it.

it's a forum. you already have to surf hundred of topics to find infos (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I have a radical idea. Can we MERGE our HC subforum and SD subforum?

please not! i cannot see how it could help us mods (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Interesting idea, Scremaz. It would make the chat a bit more focused on chat. However, you could argue that the current thread-structure is working quite well, as almost everything that is happening fits in basically 4 or 5 very active threads.

Sure, it may be difficult to find the right information for newbies. But what works right now is that the technical sub-forum is used so little, that any newbie sees it's not the place to go. Too dead. And once here, things aren't that hard to figure out.

which somehow works. this section is warm and willing to greet newbies with a friendly approach, that other section is a bit more for veterans trying to figure how the meta works. of course nobody would be hurt if he was to post on the wrong subforum, but keeping technical things and funny things in two different places (since we can!)... i don't see what's wrong...

please not! i cannot see how it could help us mods (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Instead of having two forums to keep eye on, you will have only one.

Or I said something wrong?

Instead of having two forums to keep eye on, you will have only one.

Or I said something wrong?

no, it's only that i see several topics overlapping. i'd prefer to keep them divided.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Oct 12 2017, 23:06

which somehow works. this section is warm and willing to greet newbies with a friendly approach, that other section is a bit more for veterans trying to figure how the meta works. of course nobody would be hurt if he was to post on the wrong subforum, but keeping technical things and funny things in two different places (since we can!)... i don't see what's wrong...

Well, most posts in SD subforum looks like this:
- sorry, the XXX does not work
- Because YYY, ask in Expert thread next time
[Closed]
Or
- wtf, now I have XXX
- new feature
[Closed]

- not too technical.
The only technical (and active) thread is Equipment Range and I see no reasons why it can't be here, if we have EHwiki discussion here. Also, sssss2 posted all his research in our subforum.

If we have "dead forum" and "alive forum", why we should forcibly reanimate the "dead forum" by taking life from "alive"?
Is it Occam's razor said, instead making things as complicated as possible, use the simplest variant? Maybe instead of trying " to prove" the name of "technicall" of another subforum, by putting there lots of threads, we should just let it go?
I fear that after this divide, we still will have dead subforum, because people don't talk much about technical stuff nowadays. How many posts in script thread were in past three day? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I dunno. More I think about, more sceptical I am about it. I was like "sure, why not"-guy at first, not I am more " why we need it"-guy.

Sorry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

P.S. Or maybe I am just a noisy boy who don't want to share his toys threads with other subforum xD

This post has been edited by f4tal: Oct 12 2017, 23:20

Well, most posts in SD subforum looks like this:
- sorry, the XXX does not work
- Because YYY, ask in Expert thread next time
[Closed]

of course. because that section is currently dead and we have to tell users to go somewhere seeking their answers. it won't change too much though, for wide discussions they will still be redirected on ask the experts.

Also, sssss2 posted all his research in our subforum.

again, because that section is dead. they will be moved there.

If we have "dead forum" and "alive forum", why we should forcibly reanimate the "dead forum" by taking life from "alive"?

i'm not taking the spark of life from the alive to make an undead walking in this land again or whatnot.
i'm just asking if it's the case to move the technical things another place and keep all the chitchat here. this could also allow to reduce the OT, imo. i hope those who seek to contribute in a technical way will understand the solution is only two clicks (two!) away, and those who want to chat only will remain lazy enough to remain here.

Is it Occam's razor said, instead making things as complicated as possible, use the simplest variant?

my point exactly. complicated version is going to admin and asking him to merge/delete two sections. simpler version is doing what i and noni can (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I imply absolute nothing.

That's essentially the only thing you have done. Accuracy numbers are (sadly) very easy to game. The system doesn't actually measure accuracy as that would require the world's best AI to determine the presence of something inside a set of images; hence why we need humans to do it.

Then I have nothing more to add to thus discussion xD
Do as wish, Scremaz, seriously, I don't mind and against, - if you thinking that something is better for forum, then alright. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

However, aren't links will be broken after moving the thread in other subforum? Have you tested it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)