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post Sep 10 2017, 02:00
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Another PHOH in the lottery (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 10 2017, 02:03
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Sep 10 2017, 08:00) *

Another PHOH in the lottery (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Indeed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Let's see if I can get something good with 1 ticket (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Sep 10 2017, 02:06
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Sep 10 2017, 08:00) *

Another PHOH in the lottery (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Oh boy, just placed 100 tickets for the chaos tokens.
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post Sep 10 2017, 03:59
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I can buy 2000 tickets, doushiyou...
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post Sep 10 2017, 04:05
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900 tickets
don't know why, I'll lose anyway
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post Sep 10 2017, 04:16
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Well, who can lend me the credits? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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There are not enough credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Sep 10 2017, 04:37
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[attachembed=108316]

Okay, I'm ready.
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post Sep 10 2017, 04:48
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And i thought i could actually have a chance to win something. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Stupid me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 10 2017, 05:36
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Say, can someone explain how the "do not want" improves me odds of winning the other prizes?

QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Sep 10 2017, 10:48) *

And i thought i could actually have a chance to win something. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Stupid me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Oh, don't be so pessimistic. Everyone who places a ticket has a chance to win.
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post Sep 10 2017, 06:05
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Sep 9 2017, 20:36) *

Say, can someone explain how the "do not want" improves me odds of winning the other prizes?



10b said in the 0.86 thread, that it increases your chances for the other prizes by 20%.
I guess that's assuming no one else is hitting the "do not want" icon.


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This is the fifth?? That would mean 99,500,000 GP and 5 Golden tickets.....
I haven't even placed a booby prize in one yet. zero placements.

Oh puleeeeesssseeee. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Sep 10 2017, 06:12
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Sep 10 2017, 05:36) *

Oh, don't be so pessimistic.

I cant help it. Didnt you know? Pessimistic is Uncle Stu's middle name. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Sep 10 2017, 06:12
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Sep 10 2017, 03:36) *
Say, can someone explain how the "do not want" improves me odds of winning the other prizes?
By opting out of the 1st prize, you ensure that someone else gets 1st prize, which effectively nullifies their tickets for the rest of the prizes. If you consider the grand prize useless, but you buy a notable proportion of tickets in hopes of tokens or something, then you would want to use "Do Not Want" to turn the chances of (win grand prize => you paid GP for something you don't want) from (3%? 5%? 10%?) to 0%.

This is probably most effective in generally undesirable lotteries (with small ticket counts and with fewer participants). In those, ensuring that someone else (likely someone who used many tickets) gets the 1st prize rather than yourself will moderately increase your chance of winning 2nd-4th prizes; if the total ticket pool is 8000 and you've put in 1000, then your chances of failing due to 1st place go down from 1/8 to 0.

One might say that "Do Not Want" is somewhat less useful in big lotteries since "your chances of failing due to 1st place" is probably already pretty low. Still, it helps.

Example: Lottery with 400k effective tickets total. There are 20 people who have each put in 20k tickets, including you.
Standard:
Your chance for 1st: 20k/400k = 0.05. If other wins, remove their tickets from the pool:
Your chance for 2nd: (0.95) * (20k/380k) = 0.05. If other wins, remove their tickets from the pool:
Your chance for 3rd: (0.90) * (20k/360k) = 0.05. If other wins, remove their tickets from the pool:
Your chance for 4th: (0.85) * (20k/340k) = 0.05
Your chance for 5th: (0.80) * (20k/320k) = 0.05
(makes sense: in a fair game, 5 prizes among 20 players => 1/4th chance to win anything. 20% chance to win 2nd-5th)

You press "Do Not Want":
Your chance for 1st: 0. Other wins, remove their tickets from the pool:
Your chance for 2nd: (1) * (20k/380k) = 1/19 = 0.0526. If other wins, remove their tickets from the pool:
Your chance for 3rd: (18/19) * (20k/360k) = 1/19 = 0.0526. If other wins, remove their tickets from the pool:
Your chance for 4th: (17/19) * (20k/340k) = 1/19 = 0.0526
Your chance for 5th: (16/19) * (20k/320k) = 1/19 = 0.0526
4/19 = 21.1% chance to win 2nd-5th

Of course, this assumes no one else is pressing "Do Not Want". The more who press "Do Not Want" along with you, the closer your win chances revert to the numbers in "Standard".

The larger your proportion of the effective ticket pool, the greater the (desired prize win%+) effect of "Do Not Want".


Edit: See below, it seems "Do Not Want" also increases your effective tickets by 20%, so some of the math above is bad.

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post Sep 10 2017, 07:13
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^^
Thanks Superlatanium for the explanation!
I was confused because the way it's phrased makes it seems like a flat 20% boost.

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At this rate, we're going to exceed 500k tickets for maximum prizes! Woo!

500 chaos tokens ♪
500 chaos tokens ♪
Can't wait for the next dawn ♪
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post Sep 10 2017, 09:11
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If I had 20MGP under the hand, I'd have thrown 19.900 tickets and my golden lottery ticket.
But because I'm broke, it's the usual 50 tickets and I can live without a PHOH anyway.
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post Sep 10 2017, 11:54
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Sep 10 2017, 07:13) *

I was confused because the way it's phrased makes it seems like a flat 20% boost.


It is. Read the full patch note.

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Opting out of the grand prize will additionally increase your win chance/effective number of tickets for the rest of the prizes by 20%. (This is applied after any increase for using a Golden Lottery Ticket, and therefore stacks multiplicatively.)


If you buy 100 tickets and opt out, you will get 120 tickets for the secondary prizes. This is true regardless of how many tickets you have.

The effect of guaranteeing that you do not win the grand prize is really quite negligible unless you have a significant percentage of the tickets. It was mostly added to give people who actually want the equipment a better chance of winning it.
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post Sep 10 2017, 18:10
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This lump of monstrosity took me 7 seconds to identify
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post Sep 10 2017, 18:11
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That is Fluttershy. There isn't any other pony mixed. It's ugly, blurred, but it's still Fluttershy.
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post Sep 10 2017, 18:25
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Sep 10 2017, 18:11) *

That is Fluttershy. There isn't any other pony mixed. It's ugly, blurred, but it's still Fluttershy.


yep. You can see it in her eyes. Crystal clear.
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post Sep 10 2017, 19:14
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Sep 10 2017, 09:25) *

yep. You can see it in her eyes. Crystal clear.


True that. The eyes, and the flower.

I'm slowly getting to the point of racing to certain identifiable points on the new botter blots.
After a while, we'll all get used to them again.
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post Sep 10 2017, 19:49
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I am planning to try a bit of dark maging. Does anyone have some cloth gear that I can borrow? My level or below? I would greatly appreciate it!
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