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Aug 20 2017, 00:56
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Juggernaut Santa
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(f4tal @ Aug 20 2017, 00:11)  L'Italia è la cosa migliore e basta =)
Sono completamente d'accordo con te (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Aug 20 2017, 06:04
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Basara Nekki
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So is this the difference in value between a Fiery and a Hallowed!? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jun 29 2017, 02:13)  [One01] Peerless Fiery Rapier of Balance (470, IW 10, ADB 99%, Parry 100%) (seller: youhashock) Basara Nekki 800k Proxy bid after #167 Extend to 14:15QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 17 2017, 01:05)  [One01] Peerless Hallowed Rapier of Balance (467, ADB 100%, Parry 100%) (seller: Ssfuse) Mantra64 16.483m Proxy bid after #173 Extend to 14:33
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Aug 20 2017, 06:46
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Uncle Stu
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Looks like it is. Hey, that would mean even i could affort a Peerless fire mage set. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Aug 20 2017, 10:09
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 20 2017, 06:46)  Looks like it is. Hey, that would mean even i could affort a Peerless fire mage set. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Even a mid-tier leg radiant, if it's for that. Once i was able to grab a decent one for 50k
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Aug 20 2017, 10:12
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 20 2017, 10:09)  Even a mid-tier leg radiant, if it's for that. Once i was able to grab a decent one for 50k
Hen nu nochemo. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Aug 20 2017, 10:18
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Aug 20 2017, 06:04)  So is this the difference in value between a Fiery and a Hallowed!? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Someone gotta explain me why would one go 1H mage. Is it really that efficient?
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Aug 20 2017, 10:27
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Noni
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 20 2017, 10:18)  Someone gotta explain me why would one go 1H mage. Is it really that efficient?
To make the transition to full mage when prof is too low. Very safe and still attack on everything. Not as fast as mage but not bad at all.
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Aug 20 2017, 11:02
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 20 2017, 10:27)  To make the transition to full mage when prof is too low. Very safe and still attack on everything. Not as fast as mage but not bad at all.
would it still be a convenient choice with this patch? personally i'd see something like keeping your profs at zero and then casting a couple of spells in a RE way more efficient...
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Aug 20 2017, 11:25
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nec1986
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Also extremely cheap, even 200 level can afford whole set and play with it at max diff. When i tested full mage was barely faster than 1h mage. And at the same time i couldnt clear pffest above 300 round without scrolls and other stuff, but easy did with 1h mage. So its more like same clearspeed, but extremely big difference in defense. However if we talk about top players then full mage becomes better because few reasons:
1. Flexibility. 1h mage works (good result) only with imperil, that means something below pf is undesirable. And same goes for sg arenas. Difference in clearspeed is minor because full mage doesnt have very high t/s. All monsters die fast and most of time we either cast imperil or select next target. In case of 1h mage damage is lower and our t/s increases, it makes compensation. Thats quite funny effect. Thus wasting less time + counter attacks and ofc makes difference quite small. But in case of sg its quite obvious even full mage can get very high t/s and 1h mage just makes lower damage.
2. Because that effect, pouring credits to 1h mage set doesnt give very big result. Clearspeed becomes better, but we start to lose our advantages too. So difference between like 1-2m set and 500m set ll be quite small. But difference between 20-50m full mage set and 500m is quite clear. Also usually person with such credits is close to 500 level and it also makes big difference comparing to 200-300 levels. Mostly in defense and even more is just useless.
Thus there is sense to use 1h mage and adjust playing (less sg, more pffest) when budget is low, but when person have credits anyway then much easier to use something like holy style with full flexibility between low/high diff and any mode with maximal clearspeed.
This post has been edited by nec1986: Aug 20 2017, 11:26
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Aug 20 2017, 11:50
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 20 2017, 09:02)  would it still be a convenient choice with this patch? personally i'd see something like keeping your profs at zero and then casting a couple of spells in a RE way more efficient... The main benefit of 1h mage is relatively high clear speed combined with high shield defense. Yeah, 1h mage doesn't have much proficiency often, but that's not really a big issue in why someone would use the style.
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Aug 20 2017, 11:55
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 20 2017, 11:02)  would it still be a convenient choice with this patch? personally i'd see something like keeping your profs at zero and then casting a couple of spells in a RE way more efficient...
But the range of the big prof gain shrinks very quick. So without enough exp bonus and assimilator training, i cant see it been even a bit easier to get max prof then before.
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Aug 20 2017, 14:41
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Aug 20 2017, 11:25)  1h mage works (good result) only with imperil, that means something below pf is undesirable.
Wouldn't IWBTH actually be better since imperil is resisted much less often? Besides, difficulties lower than IWBTH have been nerfed with the 0.85 update and are all undesiderable.
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Aug 21 2017, 22:28
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 21 2017, 22:20)  noted as well. and right when i wanted to try it. damn! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Aug 21 2017, 22:44
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Juggernaut Santa
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I wouldn't say that a script that does not show unforged stats as "working". Nothing such as P+anything should exist (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Aug 21 2017, 22:59
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Aug 21 2017, 22:44)  I wouldn't say that a script that does not show unforged stats as "working". Nothing such as P+anything should exist (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) oh, so it was just a mere read/comparing with wiki's values?
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Aug 21 2017, 23:10
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 19 2017, 14:45)  -.- Why not. You know what? I give up. I was allready taken for a french, a spanish, scotsman and even for a russian. That with the russian was even in real life, befor i could even speak a single word in russian, in my home village where my family just live since around 800 years. And today a italian and my avatar is even taken for the prussian flagg. But all that doesnt matter anymore.
As of now i am uncle stu a klingon from melmac. There, you made it. Happy now? -.- (S)
Ahhhh! So "this" is where all that came from! I was wondering what you were talking about. I need to keep up with the threads around this place. (I always thought you were a Turkish immigrant living in Egypt cause you forgot which way was North.)
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