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Jul 21 2017, 22:10
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sigo8
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I've been casting T1 spells in my old 1H the last few days and the effect of the daily buffs is super noticeable as a melee casting spells on FSM, the daily element does approximately triple damage (which is expected when a 95% mitigation is reduce by 10 points). And Friday every element is doing double damage (except Holy of course because FSM 's Holy mit is negative). So I can confidently say Friday is all element day at half power (5 points mit reduction). I even did IPU to get to make sure Holy is affected. [ docs.google.com] data
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Jul 21 2017, 22:24
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(sigo8 @ Jul 21 2017, 22:10)  I've been casting T1 spells in my old 1H the last few days and the effect of the daily buffs is super noticeable as a melee casting spells on FSM, the daily element does approximately triple damage (which is expected when a 95% mitigation is reduce by 10 points). And Friday every element is doing double damage (except Holy of course because FSM 's Holy mit is negative). So I can confidently say Friday is all element day at half power (5 points mit reduction). I even did IPU to get to make sure Holy is affected. [ docs.google.com] datawell, i can understand median and average, but all the other cells? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Jul 21 2017, 22:37
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(sigo8 @ Jul 21 2017, 20:10)  I've been casting T1 spells in my old 1H the last few days and the effect of the daily buffs is super noticeable as a melee casting spells on FSM, the daily element does approximately triple damage (which is expected when a 95% mitigation is reduce by 10 points). Now I feel stupid for not thinking of that...
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Jul 21 2017, 22:47
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sigo8
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 21 2017, 14:24)  well, i can understand median and average, but all the other cells? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) That's a normalized value. For Elemental elements I undo Eminent Elementalist with *5/((0.1^1.5)*50+5) and for wind I also undo the spell damage from my tempestuous rapier. For Dark and Holy I account for the extra power of the T1 spell with *4/4.5 and Holy I account for FMS weakness with *5/101 (Or Dark instead on the IPU page). And for the element of the day I add 10 the mitigation mod (so *5/((0.1^1.5)*50+5+10) or *5/(5+10) or still just *5/101 because you cant go above 100 by adding) and +5 instead of +10 for every thing on Friday. All the normalize values on the FSM pages are about 86±5, the IPU values are about 93±5 (I didn't normalize for general magic mitigation)
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Jul 21 2017, 23:05
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Cleavs
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oh, here's why all the formulas seemed a bit different. roger that. thank you.
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Jul 21 2017, 23:23
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Maximum_Joe
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Wiki updated though I skipped the math so do whatever you want with that.
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Jul 22 2017, 06:48
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skillchip
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Isn't the math glorious
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Jul 22 2017, 11:34
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KitsuneAbby
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Current annoyance: spirit stance not turning off when I press S, due to the momentum of actions occuring on my screen. Especially annoying when it ends up in me depleting my overcharge instead of refilling it for the next round. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Fortunately I had the good idea to keep FUS RO DAH in case of not enough OC for OFC.
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Jul 22 2017, 11:44
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2017, 11:34)  Current annoyance: spirit stance not turning off when I press S, due to the momentum of actions occuring on my screen. Especially annoying when it ends up in me depleting my overcharge instead of refilling it for the next round. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) if you're saying that the actions are too quick for the 'S' command being executed, you may want to stop hovering for a second. either by clicking right button of the mouse, or by moving your cursor into a safer area.
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Jul 22 2017, 11:55
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 22 2017, 11:44)  if you're saying that the actions are too quick for the 'S' command being executed, you may want to stop hovering for a second. either by clicking right button of the mouse, or by moving your cursor into a safer area.
I force myself to slow down a bit and hover away before the end, yes. Adding one monster to the list of the annoying ones who are very tanky and regularly force you to finish them off after an OFC: Police, President Donald Trump, Hong Meiling my Wife, UJ IBN ANAQ.
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Jul 22 2017, 18:06
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Logii
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2017, 12:55)  I force myself to slow down a bit and hover away before the end, yes.
Adding one monster to the list of the annoying ones who are very tanky and regularly force you to finish them off after an OFC: Police, President Donald Trump, Hong Meiling my Wife, UJ IBN ANAQ.
I agree with Uj Ibn Anaq being tanky, it is the only mob that has consistently (meaning, somewhat regularly) survived my OFC while being Imperiled in REs. It is very rare for any normal mob to survive OFC when Imperiled (my Better Imperil is maxed too), but that one seems to survive more than others. I wonder why it's more tanky than the other max PL Giants, surely they must all be max Chaosed too and should have similar tankiness because of that (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Could be just random variance in the hits I do to gain enough OC for OFC, maybe I unconsciously hit the other max PL Giants more. This was in 0.84 though, not enough encounters for me since 0.85 hit, so it could have changed now.
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Jul 22 2017, 18:37
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KitsuneAbby
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Yes the OFC does have some variance. The monsters whom I have named sometimes survive, sometimes don't. However, max PL giants may not have the exact same endurance or chaosed health. That one could possibly be better at tanking than the average, and if he does so, then it means that it has weaker stats elsewhere.
At least, because they tank, I know they're not a major threat, unlike Celestials or other things that hit hard and often.
This post has been edited by decondelite: Jul 22 2017, 18:39
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Jul 22 2017, 18:59
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Logii
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2017, 19:37)  Yes the OFC does have some variance. The monsters whom I have named sometimes survive, sometimes don't. However, max PL giants may not have the exact same endurance or chaosed health. That one could possibly be better at tanking than the average, and if he does so, then it means that it has weaker stats elsewhere.
At least, because they tank, I know they're not a major threat, unlike Celestials or other things that hit hard and often.
All max PL monsters of each class have the same amount of PABs and elemental mitigation points, PABs capped at +25 and mitigations at +50 each, if I recall correctly. Assuming all the max PL monsters are also max Chaosed (which would make sense considering how expensive they are in the first place), there should be no significant difference in their HP. I suppose the monster level is random, so there is some variance, but I think it's unlikely that one monster got a higher level roll more than others, unless the monster name or ID itself is part of the roll generation somehow. The cases I have seen are probably just coincidences, but interesting ones.
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Jul 22 2017, 19:21
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jul 22 2017, 19:10)  Just noticed those...lmao (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) btw, if these days Kites of Barrier were still available, i'd really prefer a high-tier Leg Kite rather than the correspective Force. not because of no matrix needed, mostly because of the surplus BUR and the chance for a Reinforced prefix
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Jul 22 2017, 20:12
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KitsuneAbby
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The second guy has been very annoying for me. I really wanted that shield, because although it's not as good as a force shield can be, it's a Peerless and it doesn't require modulators to upgrade. I'd have preferred Reinforced instead of Mithril though.
But if you're talking about the ridiculous prices here, let's not forget those who sink dozens of millions of GP in the lotteries.
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Jul 22 2017, 20:38
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Noni
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2017, 20:12)  But if you're talking about the ridiculous prices here, let's not forget those who sink dozens of millions of GP in the lotteries.
So true, so true.... Hey did I mention I won a Golden Lottery Ticket yesterday?
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Jul 22 2017, 21:48
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jul 22 2017, 20:12)  snip
Lucky you didn't win it...after 500k it was already too much. Let's analyze both shields. Trash PABs, the worst possible combination: no DEX, that is useful for every style, and AGI, that hinders everything is not mage (and non 1h melee can't use obviously a shield). That makes both shields utter garbage. Let's go on for the block now. The force has high block, so maybe 1M is possible, but 1.6, come on, with 5-6, maybe a little more, you get endgame SDE (don't say no, I got one, another guy got one for 6, and Sapo paid 8 one with excellent pabs). The kite...the kite is the trash of the utter garbage. Basically the same as the force but, with the block chance of a 20% range force, that, with trash pabs, is HGW. And this for what exactly? 500k of modulators? You pay way more for the shield and the wood to even care about 10k for each modulator. This is why I'm surprised and amused (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Jul 22 2017, 21:53
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jul 22 2017, 20:38)  So true, so true.... Hey did I mention I won a Golden Lottery Ticket yesterday?
You meant you lost the lottery? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) @Santa: Actually, I was already annoyed past the 500k. I just wanted to get something better than my Mag Force and was ready to sink in a bit of credits. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Well, I don't play 1H at all except for IW anyway. I only wanted a shield so that I clear IW runs faster. I mean, faster than my DW set. Anyway, I certainly won't IW anymore till I unlock the Long Gone Before Daylight perk. My stamina is already very low due to clearing all arenas everyday. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) This post has been edited by decondelite: Jul 22 2017, 22:01
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