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post Jul 4 2017, 00:11
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 00:02) *

final test and evaluation by uncle stu.

Did you even read what a single trainee did to me? I dont even dare what a shitload of trainees would do to me. I cant see me survive this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Jul 4 2017, 01:00
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 4 2017, 00:11) *

Did you even read what a single trainee did to me? I dont even dare what a shitload of trainees would do to me. I cant see me survive this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

you're the teacher. you have the power! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Jul 4 2017, 01:44
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 01:00) *

you're the teacher.


No, i am not. I am not even a master craftsman. Just a craftsman. (damned is that kind of stuff hard to translate)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 01:00) *

you have the power!


That i will get the power throught my body is exactly what i am affraid of. Do you even read my posts? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Jul 4 2017, 02:35
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Wow... I missed the entire electrical safety conversation!

My input: Uncle Stu is right: Always turn it off. Or as we say in the industry "LOTO!"
Actually... in the industry, it's more like "If we catch you without the equipment LOTO'd, we are going to replace you."

Scremaz is right: Current kills, and it can be as little as 10mA. The difference of potential (V) is derived by the impedance of your internal organs, and if it's your heart,
it will throw it off sync and cause an Atrial Fibrillation at the frequency times 2. (50 HZ = 100 quivers per second... not beats per second.... quivers per second)

DC is worse. Since there isn't a frequency, the heart just dead lines to a halt.

Electrical tape is a short term stop gap until the cable is replaced.
Our Electricians are allowed 24 hours to replace the cable, and it's documented.
The equipment is shut down at 24 hours plus 1 minute.

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post Jul 4 2017, 03:04
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QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Jul 4 2017, 02:35) *

My input: Uncle Stu is right: Always turn it off. Or as we say in the industry "LOTO!"
Actually... in the industry, it's more like "If we catch you without the equipment LOTO'd, we are going to replace you."


Is LOTO the american equivalence to the five safety rules?
1th turn off
2nd prevent it from being switched back on.
3rd check the absence of voltage
4th earthed and short--circuited
5th isolated from live neighbouring parts
there could be lost something in translation, but that is how i learned it.

QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Jul 4 2017, 02:35) *

Scremaz is right: Current kills, and it can be as little as 10mA.


Hey i said that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

QUOTE(RoadShoe @ Jul 4 2017, 02:35) *

DC is worse. Since there isn't a frequency, the heart just dead lines to a halt.


And because of that i have learned the saying. Bei Gleichspannungs fällst du gleich um, bei Wechselspannung wechselst du vorher noch die Farbe. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 4 2017, 03:08
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 4 2017, 01:04) *
Is LOTO the american equivalence to the five safety rules?
I googled loto equipment and got
[www.grainger.com] https://www.grainger.com/category/lockout-t.../ecatalog/N-rkm
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[en.wikipedia.org] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout-tagout
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post Jul 4 2017, 06:13
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 3 2017, 18:04) *

Is LOTO the american equivalence to the five safety rules?
1th turn off
2nd prevent it from being switched back on.
3rd check the absence of voltage
4th earthed and short--circuited
5th isolated from live neighbouring parts
there could be lost something in translation, but that is how i learned it.



Yeah, that's basically it. Keeping in mind it's not just electrical though.
Gravity in itself is a form of stored energy that can easily kill.
ALL forms of stored energy will be Locked out/Tagged out.

Each piece of equipment will have a LOTO sheet attached that will explain exactly the steps
needed to fully Lock the system out.
This includes pics.... and arrows on those pics to show exactly where to go and exactly what to do.
Only the trained and authorized are allowed to perform LOTO in manufacturing facilities.
Breaking LOTO rules at major corporations in the U.S. immediately puts a person at risk of termination.
OSHA fines heavily for proven offenses.

Some complain and say "Dude... it's been over a decade since anyone has been hurt here due to this kind of thing."

And the answer is always... "Yep.... exactly." (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 4 2017, 17:54
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 3 2017, 19:02) *

joe just pointed out:

QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Jul 3 2017, 18:51) *

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jun 22 2017, 11:49) *

The day of week now has a moderate effect on elemental damage, where attacks and magic of a given element will do increased damage on specific days. (This is implemented as a reduction in effective elemental resistance for both players and monsters on the day in question.)

Without any further details I can't wiki this point. Plus there are only 6 elements unless you included void.


anyone has any idea?


QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Jul 4 2017, 01:30) *

You mean for the 7th day? My guess is a rainbow day. Not as strong as the one elemental days for the specific element, but for all of them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Jul 4 2017, 13:57) *

Just ask TenB?

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 15:25) *

i doubt it'll be so easy...

QUOTE(sigo8 @ Jul 4 2017, 17:37) *

If he was going to tells what day was what bonus us he would have when he told us the bonuses existed.
I think he enjoys watching us struggle to figure things out.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 17:38) *

struggle... people whined quite a lot for the lack of things to do. he gave one, and now people are whining as well... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(sigo8 @ Jul 4 2017, 17:46) *

I guess struggle it too strong a word. Didn't mean to sound like I'm whining.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 17:50) *

well, if we really want to argue a bit, i too wonder how could this be proven. i doubt high-level mages would be able to tell us. they should at least start with a bit of a handicap (ie: sub-optimal builds) and check their performance during a whole week

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post Jul 4 2017, 18:00
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 17:54) *

Without any further details I can't wiki this point. Plus there are only 6 elements unless you included void.
anyone has any idea?



Imperil will probably nullify the effect. For me, I don't see any difference and I've played every day. Both GF, SG and Arenas. Nothing. The effect is probably too small to save an entire turn when imperiled. Actually, except for SG, I feel that the offensive-spell-stage of the game may have become a bit shorter in general, while the imperil-stage has been slowed down to comply with the rules. (I had a T-shirt made "I survived HV0.84 without getting banned! with on the back "...and I used CracklingCast")

But nordic mythology is probably the source. Wednesday dark, etc.

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post Jul 4 2017, 18:19
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Anyway, it was super-easy to spot for me.
It should be equally easy for every other mage during SG arenas since SGs have 75 mitigation, which won't be fully mitigated even with imperil (unless someone is using 0.79 prof factor).
If even this fails FSM has 95 mitigation so...
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post Jul 4 2017, 18:26
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jul 4 2017, 18:19) *

Anyway, it was super-easy to spot for me.
It should be equally easy for every other mage during SG arenas since SGs have 75 mitigation, which won't be fully mitigated even with imperil (unless someone is using 0.79 prof factor).
If even this fails FSM has 95 mitigation so...

alright, this is speaking. basically, all that's required is to scan a few mobs with high resistance and static stats (like goddesses or dragons if one doesn't want to waste tokens) and compare them with the datas on wiki to have the results?
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post Jul 4 2017, 18:45
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wo-hooo! just did T&T with my DW setup, scanned the final mobs and this is the result:
CODE
Scanning Verdandi...
Fire: +75%
Cold: +75%
Elec: +75%
Wind:  -1%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%

Scanning Urd...
Fire: +75%
Cold:  -1%
Elec: +75%
Wind: +75%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%

Scanning Yggdrasil...
Fire:  -1%
Cold: +75%
Elec: +75%
Wind: +75%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%

Scanning Skuld...
Fire: +75%
Cold: +75%
Elec:  -1%
Wind: +75%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%


while, according to wiki, it should be:
CODE
Scanning Verdandi...
Fire: +75%
Cold: +75%
Elec: +75%
Wind:   0%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%

Scanning Urd...
Fire: +75%
Cold:   0%
Elec: +75%
Wind: +75%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%

Scanning Yggdrasil...
Fire:  -1%
Cold: +75%
Elec: +75%
Wind: +75%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%

Scanning Skuld...
Fire: +75%
Cold: +75%
Elec:   0%
Wind: +75%
Holy: +75%
Dark: +75%


a bit more compact:
CODE
Scanning Verdandi...
Wind:  -1%   vs.   Wind:   0%

Scanning Urd...
Cold:  -1%   vs.   Cold:   0%

Scanning Yggdrasil...
Fire:  -1%   vs.   Fire:  -1%

Scanning Skuld...
Elec:  -1%   vs.   Elec:   0%



could it be that Tuesday is the all-spells day?

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post Jul 4 2017, 18:50
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I think that the difference is hidden (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Jul 4 2017, 19:03
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I've done scans on different days and nothing shown up so I don't think it appears in scans.
I think the best bet it to record how many turns FSM takes.
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post Jul 4 2017, 19:07
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QUOTE(sigo8 @ Jul 4 2017, 19:03) *

I've done scans on different days and nothing shown up so I don't think it appears in scans.
I think the best bet it to record how many turns FSM takes.

well, according to tenboro:
QUOTE
The day of week now has a moderate effect on elemental damage, where attacks and magic of a given element will do increased damage on specific days. (This is implemented as a reduction in effective elemental resistance for both players and monsters on the day in question.)

so it should indeed appear in scans. maybe it's only for already existent weaknesses? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jul 4 2017, 19:14
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 11:07) *

well, according to tenboro:

so it should indeed appear in scans. maybe it's only for already existent weaknesses? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

The bonus from the DD line of perks logically should appear in the stats listed outside of battle too, but doesn't
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post Jul 4 2017, 19:19
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QUOTE(sigo8 @ Jul 4 2017, 19:14) *

The bonus from the DD line of perks logically should appear in the stats listed outside of battle too, but doesn't

well, then the only other options for -1 weaknesses on goddesses are that wiki is wrong or something has changed with the patch...
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post Jul 4 2017, 19:40
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 4 2017, 19:19) *

well, then the only other options for -1 weaknesses on goddesses are that wiki is wrong or something has changed with the patch...


I've started recording the turns:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4892473

I'm not very precise in these things, so it will take some luck to not forget any day this week. If we're lucky then we'll know for cool mage by next week.

By the way: I'd be surprised if you can see it in scan, because TenB said that also the players effective resistance would be lowered that day, and then it would show up on the character page.
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post Jul 4 2017, 19:59
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jul 4 2017, 16:00) *

But nordic mythology is probably the source. Wednesday dark, etc.

Someone mentioned sunday -> holy
So ... with a bit of google this comes to ...

Sunday -> Sun's Day -> Light -> Holy
Monday -> Moon's Day -> ?
Tuesday -> Tiu's Day -> Mars (dies martis) / Ares (hemera Areos) / Tyr (Tyr's Day) -> ?
Wednesday -> Odin (Woden's/Wotan's Day) / Mercury (dies mercurii) / Hermes (hemera hermu) -> ?
Thursday -> Thor (Thor's day) / Jupiter (dies jovis) / Zeus (hemera dios) -> Thunder? (odin + thunder makes sense to me)
Friday -> Freya (Freya's day) / Venus (dies veneris) / Aphrodite (hemera aphrodites) -> ?
Saturday -> Saturn (Saturn's day) / Cronus (hemera khronu) -> ?

And some wikipedia quotes ...

Tyr:Týr is a Germanic god associated with law and heroic glory in Norse mythology *shrug*

Odin: Odin is associated with healing, death, royalty, the gallows, knowledge, battle, sorcery, poetry, frenzy, and the runic alphabet

Thor: In Norse mythology, Thor is a hammer-wielding god associated with thunder, lightning, storms, oak trees, strength, the protection of mankind, and also hallowing and fertility. (otherwise pretty sure everyone's seen some marvel movie by now ...)

Freya: In Norse mythology, Freyja is a goddess associated with love, sex, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death

Saturn: ... and was seen as a god of generation, dissolution, plenty, wealth, agriculture, periodic renewal and liberation. In later developments, he also came to be a god of time.

So, personally, i'd go for...
Sun -> Holy (makes sense)
Mon -> Dark? (moon -> night opposite of sun)
Tue -> Fire (Tyr doesn't really fit in, but Mars and Ares are usually portrayed sort of red)
Wed -> Wind (iirc sleipnir was able to ride on the wind and hermes/mercury also fit into that)
Thu -> Thunder (thor ... so yeah ...)
Fri -> ?
Sat -> ?

So ... water and physical still left over.
Void doesn't make any sense, because there is no void resist (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If someone wants to trial and error ... i'd suggest doing the same (1 token) RoB each day (without spelldmg and prof eq), cast each T1 spell 10 times, record the numbers, take an average and repeat for 7 days. The average should fluctuate for each day (also don't count crits obv.).
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post Jul 4 2017, 20:06
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QUOTE(simrock87 @ Jul 4 2017, 19:59) *

So, personally, i'd go for...
Sun -> Holy (makes sense)
Mon -> Dark? (moon -> night opposite of sun)
Tue -> Fire (Tyr doesn't really fit in, but Mars and Ares are usually portrayed sort of red)
Wed -> Wind (iirc sleipnir was able to ride on the wind and hermes/mercury also fit into that)
Thu -> Thunder (thor ... so yeah ...)
Fri -> ?
Sat -> ?

i'd rather go for:
Sun -> Holy
Mon -> Dark
Tue -> Fire
Wed -> Cold
Thu -> Elec
Fri -> Wind
Sat -> ?

mostly because it reflects the order in which elemental spells are written. and either way, Fire and Elec seem to fit, so... but yeah, Wind seems better paired with Hermes and i doubt tenboro did such a simple thing

QUOTE(simrock87 @ Jul 4 2017, 19:59) *

If someone wants to trial and error ... i'd suggest doing the same (1 token) RoB each day (without spelldmg and prof eq), cast each T1 spell 10 times, record the numbers, take an average and repeat for 7 days. The average should fluctuate for each day (also don't count crits obv.).

konata has weaknesses and not-so-big HP pool. personally, i'd suggest Real Life: decent HP, high resistances in everything (so the effect should be somehow magnified) and shouldn't be *so* strong (and either way, someone suggested FSM, so it cannot be worse than that...)

any volounteer with at least 21 spare tokens? consider that you may earn back a few, so i'm pretty confident "only" 17~18 may be needed...
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