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post Jun 27 2017, 18:34
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It would be nice to have an updated skript to scan the monsters so that Jenga's list could be updated.

Then we could see who has already renamed their monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I have also renamed 9 of my monsters whose names began with 'Here Comes ...'
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post Jun 27 2017, 18:43
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 27 2017, 05:05) *

reading infos from character stats page, ability tree and other ones and then storing it as variables for use in battle shouldn't be accounted as "parsing of live datas", right?


Does such technicality matters?

I'd think the behavior of the script would be more important than its implementation.
Personally, as long as the script acts in a way that the average HV user thinks of it as non-malicious and in good faith then its okay.
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post Jun 27 2017, 18:48
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Jun 27 2017, 18:34) *

It would be nice to have an updated skript to scan the monsters so that Jenga's list could be updated.

Then we could see who has already renamed their monsters. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I have also renamed 9 of my monsters whose names began with 'Here Comes ...'



Agree (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jun 27 2017, 18:56
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Jun 27 2017, 18:43) *

Does such technicality matters?

I'd think the behavior of the script would be more important than its implementation.
Personally, as long as the script acts in a way that the average HV user thinks of it as non-malicious and in good faith then its okay.

we have a bit of guidelines from tenboro now. check the 0.85 crowdfunding thread.
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post Jun 27 2017, 19:24
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 27 2017, 18:56) *

we have a bit of guidelines from tenboro now. check the 0.85 crowdfunding thread.

Yay, a hurrai for that thread, and the other thread and please just never ever made an easy to look up list so that someone could even realise that there are working scrips or something quite similiar out there without the need to search inside -what feels like- big generic threat. And now blame me because im the only one that lacks motivation to search everywhere. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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post Jun 27 2017, 19:39
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post Jun 27 2017, 19:49
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Jun 27 2017, 16:43) *

Does such technicality matters?

I'd think the behavior of the script would be more important than its implementation.
Personally, as long as the script acts in a way that the average HV user thinks of it as non-malicious and in good faith then its okay.

Well yes, they do.
While the average user will not be able to tell the difference and might be able to say that he/she/it didn't know about it and may claim innocence, the developer(s) do not have this comfort as they, by definition, will know how it works internally. So you, the dev, are responsible for everything you release, when you willingly and knowingly release something that violates the rules it's your hide on the line.
I do not wish to risk a ban for that.

As a side-note regarding average HV users, CC was never further away from near total automation, besides target selection, than about 20 characters more in a specific part of the script. Same went for Reloader, though there it would have been about three lines extra, just to give you a picture about how close we are skirting the rules in any case.
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post Jun 27 2017, 20:31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jun 28 2017, 00:56) *

we have a bit of guidelines from tenboro now. check the 0.85 crowdfunding thread.


Oh ok then.
Didn't see that part.

QUOTE(simrock87 @ Jun 28 2017, 01:49) *

Well yes, they do.
While the average user will not be able to tell the difference and might be able to say that he/she/it didn't know about it and may claim innocence, the developer(s) do not have this comfort as they, by definition, will know how it works internally. So you, the dev, are responsible for everything you release, when you willingly and knowingly release something that violates the rules it's your hide on the line.
I do not wish to risk a ban for that.

As a side-note regarding average HV users, CC was never further away from near total automation, besides target selection, than about 20 characters more in a specific part of the script. Same went for Reloader, though there it would have been about three lines extra, just to give you a picture about how close we are skirting the rules in any case.


I don't really want to argue for anything to change but just to give you an insight on what I think:

Its like using an auger to drill a hole to circumvent the no digging rule. You end up with a hole either way but make it more complicated for no good reason. The question should be weather you want to allow a hole or not, not what method we use to make the hole.

I also think there's no point in trying to put the genie back in the bottle. Before that, for so long, no one had an issue with CC or Reloader, everyone judged it to be acceptable based on what it did, not how it did it. I'm pretty sure even TenB knew about it and was willing to tolerate it.

Then suddenly issues of technicalities were raised, there was a chilling effect and TenB was asked to make a line in the sand. Thus we end up in this situation with hard and fast rules instead of judging by merit.
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post Jun 27 2017, 20:48
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Jun 27 2017, 20:31) *

I also think there's no point in trying to put the genie back in the bottle. Before that, for so long, no one had an issue with CC or Reloader, everyone judged it to be acceptable based on what it did, not how it did it. I'm pretty sure even TenB knew about it and was willing to tolerate it.

Then suddenly issues of technicalities were raised, there was a chilling effect and TenB was asked to make a line in the sand. Thus we end up in this situation with hard and fast rules instead of judging by merit.

that's a thing i thought about a bit, before asking him. my answer was: "most likely no checks were done until now. what if all of a sudden he did one?". even if i may be incompetent on the matter, here i somehow represent the staff - and i cannot promote something which is less than safe.

so, i prefer for such script to fully comply with tenb's requirements - as much as possible. past this, if someone wants to implehement unhortodox things, well... their call

and besides, it's not like there weren't before. simply, now they are a bit more defined. the "parsing live data" rule, for example, has been there since quite a while afaik
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post Jun 27 2017, 21:48
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QUOTE(Mantra64 @ Jun 27 2017, 16:34) *
It would be nice to have an updated skript to scan the monsters so that Jenga's list could be updated.
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4886494
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post Jun 27 2017, 21:58
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jun 27 2017, 21:48) *

basically, jenga's site should be updated, right?
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post Jun 28 2017, 06:15
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i just getting sick doing IW on this Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter

i already spend 20+ Amnesia Shards and and for now nothing good potential been unlocked

beside i am start to thinking to get some religions to turn the tide of fortune (evil thought) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
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post Jun 28 2017, 11:08
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Jun 28 2017, 06:15) *

i just getting sick doing IW on this Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter

i already spend 20+ Amnesia Shards and and for now nothing good potential been unlocked

beside i am start to thinking to get some religions to turn the tide of fortune (evil thought) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

You unlocked butcher, nice
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post Jun 28 2017, 13:47
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Anyone recommend me how to salvage all my superior trash now that there's no working item manager?
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post Jun 28 2017, 13:50
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QUOTE(as013 @ Jun 28 2017, 14:47) *

Anyone recommend me how to salvage all my superior trash now that there's no working item manager?


QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jun 28 2017, 10:49) *

HV Item Manager, fixed up for 0.85

Attached File  HV_Item_Manager_1.6.0.user.js.txt ( 41.64k ) Number of downloads: 494


Not every function may work, but most of them do, including setting equip/item prices, MMing, and making customized equip lists. See holy_demon's post for features and usage details.

Fixed for Iron as well as Chrome/Firefox.

The credits pane has been added to many pages.

I'll try to fix any critical problems if anyone sees any, but I'm not going to bother with anything minor, now that most of the functionality has been restored, since this isn't my script.


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post Jun 28 2017, 16:06
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Jun 28 2017, 12:15) *

i just getting sick doing IW on this Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter

i already spend 20+ Amnesia Shards and and for now nothing good potential been unlocked

beside i am start to thinking to get some religions to turn the tide of fortune (evil thought) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)



20+?

hahahahahaha...

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This item I spent more than 2 weeks and 250+ Amnesia Shards

Also gave other people to IW,spend 2M but get not thing

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post Jun 28 2017, 16:41
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QUOTE(friggo @ Jun 28 2017, 13:50) *

Thanks!
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post Jun 28 2017, 17:31
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Feck, that was lucky. Juggernaut 5 from a single run. This new 20x PXP gain in IW for PFUDOR is sweet.

Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 5
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 4
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 3
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 2
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 1
The equipment's potential has increased by 4000 points!

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Also, has anyone else noticed that the overcharge threshold for spirit stance dropping itself out has increased from 19 to 34? >.>
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post Jun 28 2017, 17:39
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lol, single run for perfect iw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 28 2017, 17:57
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Worse i ever had was 3-4 months of trying for a Jug5 with... ... ... i don't even know how many amnesias.
At the end, i entrusted the item to vivikinomoto who managed to get the Jug5, but even he had quite the hard time with it.

But overall i can't say that i'm disappointed. I had 3 perfect runs with the first try... and that's not something to complain about.
Well... most of my needed runs f**ked me at the last point or at the last 2 points, but i let them be and peace. I don't have the patience that Efestus has with the IWds, nor Vivi's talent (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


QUOTE(tazmanian devil @ Jun 28 2017, 15:31) *

Feck, that was lucky. Juggernaut 5 from a single run. This new 20x PXP gain in IW for PFUDOR is sweet.

Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 5
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 4
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 3
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 2
Unlocked innate potential: Juggernaut Level 1
The equipment's potential has increased by 4000 points!



Boy that's nice to watch!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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