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All ready and set for any invasion.

i'll let you conduct the negotiations then. time for me to go to sleep (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yeah, the last two times i shrined artifacts i felt sick by how bad the results have been.
But then again... RNG...
*sigh*

so it's NORMAL ... RNG ... THINGS ...

think Positively maybe next time i got 12 Energy Drinks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yesterday, I quit on round 600 of Hellfest because I deem it too risky after my spark triggered a few times. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Frankly I a bit disappointed, even if my gear isn't ideal, I'd think with all the upgrades I put in, completing hellfest would at least be wholly manageable. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Regardless, I don't intent to spend any more on my build besides getting the depreciating prof perk.

Regardless, I don't intent to spend any more on my build besides getting the depreciating prof perk.

If you are talking about "Evil Enchantress", let me come in and stop you right now. That thing is probably one of the few things that can be more useless than "Luck of the Draw".
All what it does is increase the duration of depreciating spells, such as imperil. It does not make it easier to sucesfully cast them.

If you are talking about "Evil Enchantress", let me come in and stop you right now. That thing is probably one of the few things that can be more useless than "Luck of the Draw".
All what it does is increase the duration of depreciating spells, such as imperil. It does not make it easier to sucesfully cast them.

It should. More proficiency means more counter-resist. I'm not exactly sure how the math works (perhaps it only makes one roll instead of three), but more depreciating proficiency is better.

For Imperil mage, the depreciating perk might be as good as DD.

depreciating spells... does not

It should.

Anyone else wanna weigh in on this?

I was similarly confused in Ask the Experts the other day, when it seemed half the players said raising deprecating prof added CR to Imperial and the other half said it did not.

Considering purchasing Evil Enchantress if PFUDOR enemies still resisted Imperil once my deprecating prof was capped.

This post has been edited by dairyman20111889: May 29 2017, 09:46

It should.

Everything that i have tested makes me think otherwise.

I was similarly confused in Ask the Experts the other day, when it seemed half the players said raising deprecating prof added CR to Imperial and the other half said it did not.

It does.
Last time I checked the resist numbers everything worked as expected, and average monster resist was around 21-22% on PFUDOR and 14% on IWBTH.
EE is 10% prof so 5% additional CR which means 1.1% less chance of imperil being resisted on PFUDOR.
So, on average, it probably means you're going to gain ~6 turns in The Trio and the Tree (500 monsters).
It may also lower mana cost and cast time.
Not exactly the most important upgrade but still pretty solid I'd say.

Well, i can of course accept the fact that i'm wrong, however i have tested this on
one hand mage that has the same level of deprecating as my own level,
elemental mage with small bonus on deprecating prof
dark mage before forging and dark mage after forging.

200 points of difference didn't give better results for successful imperil application, hence my statement.

But even if i'm wrong i'll advise against that perk.

I had also though of getting it for the extra counter resist.

Well, since Epion advice against it and the theoretical benefits I get from it doesn't seem to be great as calculated by Sapos, for the last thing I do I'll......

reforge my staff to get 5P 4S instead!

This post has been edited by LOL50015: May 29 2017, 11:04

Well, i can of course accept the fact that i'm wrong, however i have tested this on
one hand mage that has the same level of deprecating as my own level,
elemental mage with small bonus on deprecating prof
dark mage before forging and dark mage after forging.

Depends on how you calculated it.
The only valid test is running hundreds of rounds logging the results and then analyzing the logs.
Anyway, morineko shared his PFUDOR Grindfest results a couple of months ago, what we took was:

[quoting morineko's first findings]
Considering a counter-resist of 33.59% + 33% (CR) it means the average mob resist is 19.35% if counter-resist is additive (counter-resist from pen and innate counter-resist from willow/oak is additive so I would imagine that prof counter-resist is too), 14.53% if is multiplicative.
[...]

Tracked the depr resist rate too.
[Resist] Depr 6.9%~7.7%, average at 7.4%
CR from pswd+5pen = 33.58%, and depr prof+perk = 0.578 = 28.9% CR, then the total is 62.48%
so the average resist in PFUDOR should be 7.4 / (1 - 0.6248) = 19.72%.
The imperil casting turns is still about 3500 times with this CR.

Both check out and give the same average resist.
I also verified with 0 CR from staff and 50% CR from prof what is the average resist (I got close to 22%, which is around true for arenas, the longer a run is the lower the average resist ends up).

I also think thats not rly important. We use ~3000-4500 imperils in whole fest. Basically it looks like this:

If monster has 20% resist then in 3 pack we have:
51,2% success from single try
38,4% one monster resisted (80% chance to success with next move)
9,6% two monsters resisted (64% chance to success with next move)
0,8% all 3 resisted (do it again with same 51,2% chance)
Thus simple model gives us ~1,63 turns for such pack or 4,9 turns in 9 mobs round. If monster has 19% resist chance then it becomes 4,8 turns.

100 turns in whole fest isnt extremely small, and its also good for defense to spend less turns before fight, but if overall amount is around 10k turns, then its only 1% difference.

Happy Dragon Boat Festival!

This post has been edited by LOL50015: May 30 2017, 06:46

And you. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

trying to clear Peerless Longsword IW with x4 difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

i thought is just a piece of cake to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

after i jump into the IW and engage the mobs i realize i was so naive

my ass get kicked brutally and completely exhausted (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Stamina: 30 and no drinks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

You should have seen the IW back in the days when i started. It was way harder, way longer and there was no i drink as many potions as i want battle inventory. Ah, good times. Hm, somehow i feel as if i sound really old right now.

and i don't know why i always get Swift Strike , i count 7 times

after spend 12 Amnesia Shards i only got Fatality Lv.2 Overpower Lv.1 ....

it's not real i am dreaming and i am dead

and i don't know why i always get Swift Strike , i count 7 times

after spend 12 Amnesia Shards i only got Fatality Lv.2 Overpower Lv.1 ....

it's not real i am dreaming and i am dead

Well i guess snowflake just dont like you. That can happen, but never persist forever. So just keep going. Someday you get 4x Butcher and 5x Fatality and can ignore IW on your weapon forever. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) When even uncle stu can get his own peerless drop, everything is possible.

Well i guess snowflake just dont like you. That can happen, but never persist forever. So just keep going. Someday you get 4x Butcher and 5x Fatality and can ignore IW on your weapon forever. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) When even uncle stu can get his own peerless drop, everything is possible.

that's right i shall keep going thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

this is just a test i shall find the path to the true warrior

if you say your pc was slow on whatever site, then i'm afraid it may be the case. assuming SO and software side are fine, was there any change with your line?

OK, I figured out what the problem might be. I called my ISP on another matter and then mentioned my internet not being ultra super-duper fast like it should be. They told me I don't have the ultra super-duper fast speed like I thought I did. What I have is fast but it's not the top tier speed like I've been spoiled with all these years. Shit.

So if no one else is having the same problem and it's a speed issue, which is sort of weird, I guess I'll have to get used to the HV page blinking and disappearing with each turn until I find a better internet deal.