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Legendary Tempestuous Wakizashi of Balance

Level 156 bazaar right now if anyone could need one.

Lol, that would've matched my katana (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Legendary Tempestuous Wakizashi of Balance

Level 156 bazaar right now if anyone could need one.

Missed it, a shame. It was nice.

I'm guessing for 2H one of the best styles would be an Ethereal Mace (But+SS) + all Agile Shade.

Mace is good for lower levels before frd, but later mace stun becomes superfluous and even gets in the way since stuns don't update each other like other debuffs, plus estoc is faster due to PA.

Mace is good for lower levels before frd, but later mace stun becomes superfluous and even gets in the way since stuns don't update each other like other debuffs, plus estoc is faster due to PA.

I was thinking of it not using frd, using frd an Estoc is surely better.

Mace is good for lower levels before frd, but later mace stun becomes superfluous and even gets in the way since stuns don't update each other like other debuffs, plus estoc is faster due to PA.

just wondering, did you ever try your current shade set + frd but imperil + longsword rather than an estoc?

just wondering, did you ever try your current shade set + frd but imperil + longsword rather than an estoc?

I used longsword + imperil in the past before frd but then went back to mace because it was hard to survive. If you're willing to use frd and imperil though then it's probably better to use a niten set like shown here. Katana+waki have about the same adb as longsword, but waki grants some nice speed bonus by default, plus crit chance from dw prof. Though I'm not sure if the slight clear time increase is worth the tediousness of casting imperil with the only counter-resist coming from prof.
My pf peerless item world clear with estoc for reference.

I used longsword + imperil in the past before frd but then went back to mace because it was hard to survive. If you're willing to use frd and imperil though then it's probably better to use a niten set like shown here. Katana+waki have about the same adb as longsword, but waki grants some nice speed bonus by default, plus crit chance from dw prof. Though I'm not sure if the slight clear time increase is worth the tediousness of casting imperil with the only counter-resist coming from prof.

don't forget parry. but basically it means that niten is somehow viable (even if as a niche/tedious style) while longswords are really only food for beginners...

My pf peerless item world clear with estoc for reference.

the big thing isn't even the number of turns or the time used. is the low amount of cures/potions needed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

don't forget parry. but basically it means that niten is somehow viable (even if as a niche/tedious style) while longswords are really only food for beginners...
the big thing isn't even the number of turns or the time used. is the low amount of cures/potions needed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

182 spells casted for a single IW...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


and cleartime is similar to mine (60 levels lower) with 1h and equipment barely forged.



And mages can do the same in 4-5 minutes probably (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


2H...nope!

This post has been edited by End Of All Hope: Jan 20 2017, 22:29

I used longsword + imperil in the past before frd but then went back to mace because it was hard to survive. If you're willing to use frd and imperil though then it's probably better to use a niten set like shown here. Katana+waki have about the same adb as longsword, but waki grants some nice speed bonus by default, plus crit chance from dw prof. Though I'm not sure if the slight clear time increase is worth the tediousness of casting imperil with the only counter-resist coming from prof.
My pf peerless item world clear with estoc for reference.

That's quite good!
By the way, how is the script that says damage, items and skills used at the bottom called?

That's quite good!
By the way, how is the script that says damage, items and skills used at the bottom called?

HV Battle Stats Ex by tatarime

182 spells casted for a single IW...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
and cleartime is similar to mine (60 levels lower) with 1h and equipment barely forged.

And mages can do the same in 4-5 minutes probably (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
2H...nope!

Fus ro dah isn't a spell though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

HV Battle Stats Ex by tatarime

Thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

@cmos
Could we see the full set of equipment you use?
For reference.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Jan 20 2017, 22:36

182 spells casted for a single IW...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

FRD is an essential part of his style, he said so himself.

and cleartime is similar to mine (60 levels lower) with 1h and equipment barely forged.

number of turns as well, even considering all those FRDs. remarkable.

And mages can do the same in 4-5 minutes probably (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

we were speaking about 2H, as far as i remember...

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 20 2017, 22:37

the big thing isn't even the number of turns or the time used. is the low amount of cures/potions needed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I mostly get hit hard enough to cure only due to small mistakes/hand slips. If you play carefully then you barely need cure at all.

182 spells casted for a single IW...(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
and cleartime is similar to mine (60 levels lower) with 1h and equipment barely forged.
And mages can do the same in 4-5 minutes probably (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
2H...nope!

1h is a broken overpowered style, more news at 11. I'm not saying that 2h is better than 1h, I'm simply disagreeing with the notion that 2h is completely unplayable trash which people like to say while hailing DW as the next best thing. 2h needs better damage output to match or surpass 1h, as I already said, while survivability is not really a problem at all.

Could we see the full set of equipment you use?
For reference.

Legendary Savage Shade Helmet of the Fleet
Legendary Savage Shade Breastplate of the Fleet
Legendary Agile Shade Gauntlets of the Fleet
Legendary Agile Shade Leggings of the Shadowdancer
Peerless Onyx Shade Boots of the Fleet
All those fleets should be replaced by shadowdancers, eventually. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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Could i see the Estoc too?
I was interested in which Potencies you gave it.
And, for this kind of style, what potencies would be better? Is Overpower necessary? And Swift Strike?

PS: The Shade set is pretty great, even if mostly fleet. All Agile and Savage, apart from the peerless.

EDIT:
Sorry, i saw your Legendary Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter now, you posted it before.
Overpower isn't necessary because you always Stun the monsters with FRD, right?
So, it would be better to have Butcher or Fatality instead of Overpower?

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Jan 20 2017, 23:14

we were speaking about 2H, as far as i remember...

Yeah, I was talking that it's a "nope" style.
Too much research for good shade, estoc, attack speed and such, and it's the same as 1h with almost no slaughter, base forge and with the addition of playing without looking at the screen.

Also, I should add that using hoverplay with 2h is like stopping hovering every 3-4 seconds to not expire the stun and then FRD...basically you have to check the stuns and keep your eyes locked on the game.

This for a result that a "more boring than 2h" (cmos said) imperil mage that can do the same in few minutes.
Or the already mentioned 1h, that is 10 times better, even if it's broken.


The point is, why should you use a style that requires specific equipments and A LOT of setup and attention to get the same result of a mindless play with a cheap set/less than half the result of another set up style aka mage?

You shouldn't that's all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If it's your personal choice because you like the style and you want to play what it's in your tastes, that's okay and I fully understand that.
But you can't say that 2h is not very sub-optimal.
And even liking it I would find it tedious to play more than half an hour/day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by End Of All Hope: Jan 20 2017, 23:23

Could i see the Estoc too?
I was interested in which Potencies you gave it.
And, for this kind of style, what potencies would be better? Is Overpower necessary? And Swift Strike?

I already posted Legendary Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter on the previous page. As for potencies I think butcher/fatality are good since you need all the damage you can get. Whether you need SS or not depends on how many agile pieces you have to reach the target speed. ~32% attack speed for 13 attacks during stun is pretty safe, you can probably lower it a bit for only 12 attacks and it still would be fine. To be honest I'm not sure about the optimal ratio of SS/agile/savage pieces to maximize the damage, it needs more testing. Overpower would be a waste since monsters would be stunned most of the time with only a couple left alive and able to parry you after stuns each turn.

The point is, why should you use a style that requires specific equipments and A LOT of setup and attention to get the same result of a mindless play with a cheap set/less than half the result of another set up style aka mage?

Because it's fun to change playstyle once in a while? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
As long as you have the credits to do it, why not?
It's not like he's saying that 2h is better than 1h or mage, after all.

Because it's fun to change playstyle once in a while? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
As long as you have the credits to do it, why not?
It's not like he's saying that 2h is better than 1h or mage, after all.

If it's your personal choice because you like the style and you want to play what it's in your tastes, that's okay and I fully understand that.
But you can't say that 2h is not very sub-optimal.
And even liking it I would find it tedious to play more than half an hour/day (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Yep ^

I already posted Legendary Hallowed Estoc of Slaughter on the previous page. As for potencies I think butcher/fatality are good since you need all the damage you can get. Whether you need SS or not depends on how many agile pieces you have to reach the target speed. ~32% attack speed for 13 attacks during stun is pretty safe, you can probably lower it a bit for only 12 attacks and it still would be fine. To be honest I'm not sure about the optimal ratio of SS/agile/savage pieces to maximize the damage, it needs more testing. Overpower would be a waste since monsters would be stunned most of the time with only a couple left alive and able to parry you after stuns each turn.

I saw it just after posting that, i had edited my post (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
By the way, how come you don't use an Ethereal Estoc? Doesn't all that burden bother you with a Shade Set?

I saw it just after posting that, i had edited my post (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
By the way, how come you don't use an Ethereal Estoc? Doesn't all that burden bother you with a Shade Set?

Evade is just a bonus, it's not really that necessary if almost no one hits you anyway. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)