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post Jan 19 2017, 21:13
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 19:59) *

More in detail, [images.halloweencostumes.com] Shields with a slot to insert a Longsword in, actually exist.
They could add small shields with lower block (and INSANE burden or -5/10% Attack Speed) that can be equipped on the Longsword's blade only (offhand slot ofc).
This could make viable Longswords again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

"small shields" => "INSANE burden"
Dose not compute (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Just add Block Chance to 2H weapons, after all right now the style is trash (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jan 19 2017, 21:18
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Jan 19 2017, 20:13) *

"small shields" => "INSANE burden"
Dose not compute (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Try to wield something that is not only long, but also large, and heavier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Smaller is because a normal shield, even a buckler, would take half the blade's length (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Also smaller justifies a lower block, since Longsword+Any shield existing forged to 50 would be pretty broken imo (especially with eventual new procs with a block style) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Jan 19 2017, 21:22
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 20:18) *

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Like this you completely kill off 2H Shade, at least make it possible to be Ethereal.



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post Jan 19 2017, 21:23
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Jan 19 2017, 20:22) *

Like this you completely kill off 2H Shade, at least make it possible to be Ethereal.

The Longsword would be ethereal.
Also, a bit of block on shield, maybe a block ability, you get to 40ish block. Like that you can use Power maybe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 19 2017, 21:25
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QUOTE(Logii @ Jan 19 2017, 19:19) *

True, but I doubt those players will keep the price of mage materials as high as it has been. Even if the demand stayed as high as now, the supply is growing all the time.

Like I said, I predict that the prices of materials will go down over time, unless a new patch changes the meta.

i don't agree completely. or better, it may happen, but quite slowly - unless surprising changes. see:
QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 19:50) *

I'm still selling it @20k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

not explicitly addressed to you, of course.
in economy there's a parameter which measures how much the price of an item tends to modify over time. iirc, it's the elasticity but i may be wrong.
long story short, sellers were so spoiled by such high price that they may refuse to lower it so much, so global price won't be affected too much. plenty of examples here: in many wts you can still see Shade Fragments on sale for 20k+ or matrixes for 30k+, when they can reach 10k on WTBs. or star sellers, who were pampered so much by kino's 40M price that even 33M may not be enough nowadays - a month ago or so it was more than enough. put it together with the fact that some of those shops are also those with big stocks and high business volume, imo it means the price is pretty solid. or it will be for quite a while.
afterall, the logic is simple: "you want a thing? this is the price. too high? alright. go pick all the other lower ones. then, come here. i can wait.".

nonetheless, you're right. nice dynamics are to be expected (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 19:59) *

I said selling, not trying to sell.
I have a private customer.
Who? Classified information (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

every seller has a list of private, yet safe customers. nothing new.
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post Jan 19 2017, 21:25
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 20:23) *

The Longsword would be ethereal.
Also, a bit of block on shield, maybe a block ability, you get to 40ish block. Like that you can use Power maybe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You can use Power but not Shade, Burden kills Evade.

"responding to the [Suggestion] A few requests post too"
And why no DEX bonus?
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post Jan 19 2017, 21:30
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Jan 19 2017, 20:09) *

don't remember battlecaster kite existing ever

they do. but it won't have that big of a market because many people don't even know they existed to begin with. way rarer than Sword Chucks, if you want (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Jan 19 2017, 21:33
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Jan 19 2017, 20:25) *

You can use Power but not Shade, Burden kills Evade.

"responding to the [Suggestion] A few requests post too"
And why no DEX bonus?

No DEX or AGI since...how can you be Agile or Dexterous wielding a 30 Kg Sword, with a Shield on the hilt that limits your right wrist's movements? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Think it about this:
- Much higher adb than 1H, but no Penetrated Armor
- Domino Strike and Counters (stuns and permastance) but no Overwhelming Strikes
- Block, but lower than 1H
- (maybe) interesting combinations of Swordskills unique for that style, like Shield Bash as T1, Rending Blow as T2 and Skyward Sword (or Frenzied Blows?) as T3.

Wouldn't that be cool? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Jan 19 2017, 21:39
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 20:33) *

No DEX or AGI since...how can you be Agile or Dexterous wielding a 30 Kg Sword, with a Shield on the hilt that limits your right wrist's movements? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

DEX for crits! we want DEX for crits!

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oh, and it's kg, not Kg
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post Jan 19 2017, 21:41
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 19 2017, 12:30) *

they do. but it won't have that big of a market because many people don't even know they existed to begin with. way rarer than Sword Chucks, if you want (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


wow they sucked ballsss
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post Jan 19 2017, 21:54
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Those who say that 2H is useless have plenty of time in their hands.
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post Jan 19 2017, 21:55
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 19 2017, 20:54) *

Those who say that 2H is useless have plenty of time in their hands.

1H with permanent Spirit Stance is just as fast.
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post Jan 19 2017, 22:02
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Jan 19 2017, 20:41) *

you cannot compare a Kite Battlecaster with that Buckler. ranges were tweaked quite a lot at that point. these are fairer comparisons:
[68] Fine Buckler of the Battlecaster
[0] Fair Platinum Buckler of the Battlecaster
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 19 2017, 20:54) *

Those who say that 2H is useless have plenty of time in their hands.

it's not useless. it's broken. it completely lacks defense and mobs are so chaosed that they will parry your hits quite often. nonetheless, at Hard difficulty a Mace can surely work for a SG arena.
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post Jan 19 2017, 22:19
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Jan 19 2017, 22:13) *

Just add Block Chance to 2H weapons, after all right now the style is trash (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

It's not trash, people are just using it wrong. If you try to play as mindless tank while not using the tank play style of course it's going to suck. 1h relies on block, dw on parry and evade, while 2h can utilize FRD to survive and kill most enemies while evading the few attacks that remain. What 2h and dw need is at least SOME out of the tons of additional damage increasing features/procs that broken 1h has. The best probably would be restoring some OC with domino/off-hand strikes to allow permanent spirit stance for those styles too.
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post Jan 19 2017, 22:25
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QUOTE(cmos @ Jan 19 2017, 21:19) *

What 2h and dw need is at least SOME out of the tons of additional damage increasing features/procs that broken 1h has. The best probably would be restoring some OC with domino/off-hand strikes to allow permanent spirit stance for those styles too.

when i asked for something similar i was answered that perma-spirit was a feature of 1H and that there was no need to implehement it in other styles.
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post Jan 19 2017, 22:34
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 19 2017, 23:25) *

when i asked for something similar i was answered that perma-spirit was a feature of 1H and that there was no need to implehement it in other styles.

Fine, but 1h has many other features increasing damage and other styles could use something too. Stronger domino strike, increased weapon proc chance, stronger proc effect, anything really.
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post Jan 19 2017, 23:58
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 19:59) *

Who? Classified information (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
More in detail, [images.halloweencostumes.com] Shields with a slot to insert a Longsword in, actually exist.
They could add small shields with lower block (and INSANE burden or -5/10% Attack Speed) that can be equipped on the Longsword's blade only (offhand slot ofc).

Pretty sure that halloweencostumes.com is not a good source for historical facts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Also that is a 1H sword, 2H longswords appeared much later and were not used with shields (usually with plate armor for arrows protection and against slashing attacks, 2H sword for parrying/attacking, but sword weren't really used very much, spears, poleaxes and lances were much more common anyway).
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post Jan 20 2017, 00:14
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i'd like to remember to many of you that albeit history is interesting, this game has little to nothing in common with history. we can potentially mess with it as much as we want without affecting history too much. for example, did you ever hear about someone battling RL using Niten and Plate armors? or even worse, Chainmail? and what about Dragon Hide? do you have to seek it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jan 20 2017, 00:20
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Jan 19 2017, 20:55) *

1H with permanent Spirit Stance is just as fast.

*faster


QUOTE(cmos @ Jan 19 2017, 21:19) *

It's not trash, people are just using it wrong. If you try to play as mindless tank while not using the tank play style of course it's going to suck. 1h relies on block, dw on parry and evade, while 2h can utilize FRD to survive and kill most enemies while evading the few attacks that remain. What 2h and dw need is at least SOME out of the tons of additional damage increasing features/procs that broken 1h has. The best probably would be restoring some OC with domino/off-hand strikes to allow permanent spirit stance for those styles too.

And that's why is trash. Finding something more boring than imperiling every round with mage, congratulations to you!


QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jan 19 2017, 22:58) *
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Sorry, didn't find an accurate one. More long swords with Shields exists. Or more likely, Shielding Gauntlets/Arms, but something bigger and more functional than the HV ones (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

And now, in addition to that, we should talk about people using Estocs and Longswords paired with shields, or dual wielding with such weapons (pairing with shortswords, rapiers or whatsoever) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Or also, the 1H Maces, that in this game are called Clubs, but Clubs should be made of Wood, not Metal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jan 20 2017, 00:41
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 19 2017, 23:14) *

for example, did you ever hear about someone battling RL using Niten and Plate armors?

Well, in Japan warriors battled with spears or spears-like weapon (naginata for example) so yeah, pretty much.
Most of the katana/niten philosophy started in the takugawa shogunate, which was a peace period (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
But well, both plate and niten existed (even if not applied to real battles, who cares at the end of the day) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
I replied mostly because it was funny that he linked a halloween props (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Funny thing, the fightings in the anime "Maria the Virgin Witch" were pretty historically accurate.
Japan doing something accurate in european history, mindblowing.

QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 23:20) *

Sorry, didn't find an accurate one. More long swords with Shields exists. Or more likely, Shielding Gauntlets/Arms, but something bigger and more functional than the HV ones (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Well, they have done pretty much everything possible so I'm not doubting that such a weapon existed, but it's a honestly uncommon combination.
Also i don't think that a longsword really fits the style, longsword, as the name suggested, were pretty long, it wouldn't really fit well in a small shield.

QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 19 2017, 23:20) *
Or also, the 1H Maces, that in this game are called Clubs, but Clubs should be made of Wood, not Metal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Every type of weapon returns the same kind of material, making every weapon returns a different material would be quite complicated, in particular for newbies.
And if we go that way bucklers should have a random chance of returning metal or wood (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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