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Jan 13 2017, 15:54
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(arialinnoc @ Jan 13 2017, 14:32)  Just stop by to say good night. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) zzz g'night. let's hope your proxy bid on those bindings of cheetah will still be valid by the time you'll wake up again (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jan 14 2017, 03:49
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arialinnoc
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 13 2017, 20:33)  Goodnight. (I guess I have to go eat lunch, it's already 2:33 PM here (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ) QUOTE(VriskaSerket @ Jan 13 2017, 20:43)  good night aria
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 13 2017, 20:54)  g'night. let's hope your proxy bid on those bindings of cheetah will still be valid by the time you'll wake up again (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Thank you everyone (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jan 15 2017, 03:20
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jacquelope
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9 days of playing the SG arenas plus Eve of Death and The Trio and the Tree netted me
5x Noodly Appendage 9x Sapling 145x Broken Glasses 111x Hinamatsuri Doll 112x Bunny-Girl Costume 118x Lock of Blue Hair 19x Dalek Voicebox 14x Mithra's Flower 21x Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch 9x ManBearPig Tail 18x Precursor Artifact
For a total of around 1.5m
Not very good...
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Jan 15 2017, 03:39
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Sapo84
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Jan 15 2017, 02:20)  9 days of playing the SG arenas plus Eve of Death and The Trio and the Tree netted me
5x Noodly Appendage 9x Sapling 145x Broken Glasses 111x Hinamatsuri Doll 112x Bunny-Girl Costume 118x Lock of Blue Hair 19x Dalek Voicebox 14x Mithra's Flower 21x Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch 9x ManBearPig Tail 18x Precursor Artifact
For a total of around 1.5m
Not very good...
Honestly, it doesn't seem that bad to me. 1537950C in trophies and artifacts for 45 arenas.
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Jan 15 2017, 03:53
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Slobber
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Somewhere hidden in there is a Peerless Radiant Heimdall or Peerless Savage Slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jan 15 2017, 06:56
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jan 14 2017, 17:39)  Honestly, it doesn't seem that bad to me. 1537950C in trophies and artifacts for 45 arenas.
I guess the problem is the artifacts. I was doing that many on average before I invested four upgrades (five, pending) into my Archaeologist training.
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Jan 15 2017, 07:01
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Superlatanium
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SG arenas are best for low-level players without training or perks on Normal or Hard or so. For medium-high level players with decent gears and reasonable training/Crystarium, the SG arenas become pretty underwhelming. (SG arena income per arena doesn't improve that much, whereas standard arenas' income does improve moderately, and GF's income improves significantly)
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Jan 15 2017, 07:24
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 14 2017, 21:01)  SG arenas are best for low-level players without training or perks on Normal or Hard or so. For medium-high level players with decent gears and reasonable training/Crystarium, the SG arenas become pretty underwhelming. (SG arena income per arena doesn't improve that much, whereas standard arenas' income does improve moderately, and GF's income improves significantly)
Please explain the improvement in non-SG arena income. When I go at non-SG's at PFUDOR I don't recall seeing my credit drops increasing. I also still only largely get superior or exquisite trash, and while PFUDOR generally raises your odds of a leg or mag drop (and thus a jackpot), my only time ever getting an actual jackpot-level item was a staff that dropped in Normal mode (I think on a SG arena, but it could happen in any arena). I don't experience the profit levels in PFUDOR non-SG arenas that I get from selling SG trophies. I have not ever completed all 1000 rounds of a Grindfest. Considering that (thanks to my ping) it takes 15+ minutes to do DWD on normal while just plowing right through and ignoring all gems, I absolutely shudder at the time it might take to do a PF Fest. Then I'd have to recover my stamina with stupidly expensive energy drinks. I haven't done the math on what 1000 rounds do to your stamina but I know 24 hours isn't enough to recover from that; so one whole GF per day has me at 10 stamina within what, a week or so?
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Jan 15 2017, 07:37
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Jan 15 2017, 05:24)  Please explain the improvement in non-SG arena income. When I go at non-SG's at PFUDOR I don't recall seeing my credit drops increasing. I also still only largely get superior or exquisite trash, and while PFUDOR generally raises your odds of a leg or mag drop (and thus a jackpot), my only time ever getting an actual jackpot-level item was a staff that dropped in Normal mode (I think on a SG arena, but it could happen in any arena).
I don't experience the profit levels in PFUDOR non-SG arenas that I get from selling SG trophies. Drops improve from: - Scavenger
- LOTD (barely)
- Quartermaster
- Archaeologist
- Crystarium
SG trophies are the main profit of SG arenas, but as you can see, they aren't affected by any of these. After training/perks, there are some drop benefits from the ordinary monsters in SG arenas, but there are generally few standard monsters per round in SG arenas, and the rounds take longer than usual, so the overall improvement in SG arenas from training/perks is minimal. On the other hand, in ordinary arenas and GF, all 4 of those drop improvements moderately help; there are generally more standard monsters per round, and none are particularly tanky, so it doesn't take long to finish the round. But - in arenas, a substantial fraction of income comes from credit drops, which isn't affected in any significant way by training/perks. So by training, income per round increases more in standard arenas than it does in SG arenas, but not by a whole lot. GF is where those training/perks really shine, because (static) credit drops are minimal, and [crystals, equip drops, artifact drops] together make up the vast majority of income - all of which are substantially improved by those drop improvements mentioned before. So getting training/perks most increases GF income. Note that this is rate of change in income, not absolute income; even with training, GF might still not be as profitable as certain other battle series'. Check Income Summary to get absolute numbers. QUOTE(jacquelope @ Jan 15 2017, 05:24)  I have not ever completed all 1000 rounds of a Grindfest. Considering that (thanks to my ping) it takes 15+ minutes to do DWD on normal while just plowing right through and ignoring all gems, I absolutely shudder at the time it might take to do a PF Fest. Then I'd have to recover my stamina with stupidly expensive energy drinks. I haven't done the math on what 1000 rounds do to your stamina but I know 24 hours isn't enough to recover from that; so one whole GF per day has me at 10 stamina within what, a week or so? GF is 1000 rounds, which requires 20 stamina if you're below 80 (30 stamina max). So you'll recover enough stamina to play a bit more than one GF per day, without using any energy drinks.
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Jan 15 2017, 11:26
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KitsuneAbby
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Where are the ponies?
For my part, I don't see why in the hell one would want to play the SG arenas at anything higher than Normal, given the fact that SG are damn HP bags that slow you down considerably. Even in this setup, it takes me 8mins/12mins to clear the 1st and 2nd SG arenas, for the moment. I don't want to imagine what it'd be in higher difficulties, that's clearly counter-productive.
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Jan 15 2017, 11:33
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yami_zetsu
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 15 2017, 04:26)  Where are the ponies?
For my part, I don't see why in the hell one would want to play the SG arenas at anything higher than Normal, given the fact that SG are damn HP bags that slow you down considerably. Even in this setup, it takes me 8mins/12mins to clear the 1st and 2nd SG arenas, for the moment. I don't want to imagine what it'd be in higher difficulties, that's clearly counter-productive.
The last round of the SG arenas have a chance of dropping leg equipment so, if you're level 400+ I think those arenas wouldn't take that long, but yeah, you should only play on normal for now, I prefer to play on hard since the difficulty doesn't rise that much and you can get amnesia shards
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Jan 15 2017, 12:15
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Slobber @ Jan 15 2017, 02:53)  Somewhere hidden in there is a Peerless Radiant Heimdall or Peerless Savage Slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) congratulations, with this you triggered nobody's daily poorness (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 15 2017, 10:26)  I don't see why in the hell one would want to play the SG arenas at anything higher than Normal
i suggest you Hard minimum for these reasons; QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Jan 15 2017, 10:33)  I prefer to play on hard since the difficulty doesn't rise that much and you can get amnesia shards
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Jan 15 2017, 12:58
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KitsuneAbby
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Yeah I was considering playing Hard for the shards. And also because now I think my Power set can survive it without spamming Sparks.
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Jan 15 2017, 13:42
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Noni
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 15 2017, 11:58)  Yeah I was considering playing Hard for the shards. And also because now I think my Power set can survive it without spamming Sparks.
It's A rule of thumb, realy: Make Sure You're Hard When Facing Schoolgirls (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jan 15 2017, 15:10
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Noni
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Jan 15 2017, 12:55)  If it's Yuki, no problem. But Konata... I just won't find out how to be hard. She has low stamina anyway. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) I'm working on making my Longsword sharpier than ever so they feel it better. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Me, I prefer high-grade wood when going after school girls hard. (I can hear the mods thinking: okay okay, enough already with this nonsense! Back to talking about ponies you two!)
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Jan 15 2017, 15:55
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Jan 15 2017, 14:10)  Me, I prefer high-grade wood when going after school girls hard.
(I can hear the mods thinking: okay okay, enough already with this nonsense! Back to talking about ponies you two!)
since when speaking about Konata's HP tank is not speaking about HV? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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