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Jan 1 2017, 15:58
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ctaglack
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So many cookies!
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Jan 1 2017, 16:17
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Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jan 1 2017, 14:48)  And as usual, I did not win. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) The worst part is that I can not even "dream" of getting into that TOP 50. My internet is bad to upload. And I already gave up putting tags on, because every time I was going to do it, someone else already did it before me. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 14:52)  Same here. I don't even know how top 30 people manage to tag that much (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I tagged LIKE MAD (99%+ accuracy) this year...got #298 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) my wild guess is that there are people around there who (among other things) don't sleep in order to do such works. this isn't exactly strange of a thing, many games have people like this. if that's true here as well, you simply *cannot* compete with such people. just do a bit of work every now and then to make this site a better place and that's it.
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Jan 1 2017, 18:45
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sssss2
Group: Gold Star Club
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CODE CF EC FD FF PE CJCJCJJCCP FW DD WW CC DC EF CC DJED PP DP
The more grind, the less luck. This post has been edited by sssss2: Jan 1 2017, 18:45
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Jan 1 2017, 18:48
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lazyNPC
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 8-June 12

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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Jan 1 2017, 17:45)  CODE CF EC FD FF PE CJCJCJJCCP FW DD WW CC DC EF CC DJED PP DP
The more grind, the less luck. ...You actually reforged J4 C5? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Ps: Capacitor is C, right? And P is Coldproof. This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Jan 1 2017, 18:53
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Jan 1 2017, 19:19
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Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Jan 1 2017, 17:48)  ...You actually reforged J4 C5? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Ps: Capacitor is C, right? And P is Coldproof. no, i guess it's the opposite. C for Coldproof and P for Ca Pacitor. but still, he reforged a J4.
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Jan 1 2017, 19:20
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lazyNPC
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 1 2017, 18:19)  no, i guess it's the opposite. C for Coldproof and P for CaPacitor. but still, he reforged a J4.
There's a P in Cold Proof too. Still, nice to know.
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Jan 1 2017, 19:23
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sssss2
Group: Gold Star Club
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As Scremaz said, "C" is Coldproof and "P" is Capacitor. I'll reforge J4 P5 to get J5. Capacitor is almost useless to me. CODE CF EC FD FF PE CJCJCJJCCP FW DD WW CC DC EF CC DJED PP DP FJFD FD CC CP PP DP EE EE PD CP
I hate "P".
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Jan 1 2017, 19:25
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Mrsuperhappy
Group: Global Mods
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 13:52)  Same here. I don't even know how top 30 people manage to tag that much (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I tagged LIKE MAD (99%+ accuracy) this year...got #298 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) There are a bunch of people who have tagged more in the past month than I have in total. Your accuracy is good, that's the main thing, it isn't worth risking getting any kind of ban from blindvoting which is the likely conclusion if you tag too fast (it is not physically possible to check whether a tag applies at the speed some people actually vote on tags). QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 1 2017, 14:17)  my wild guess is that there are people around there who (among other things) don't sleep in order to do such works. this isn't exactly strange of a thing, many games have people like this. if that's true here as well, you simply *cannot* compete with such people. just do a bit of work every now and then to make this site a better place and that's it.
Sound advice, of course there are people who do these things for some kind of benefit, it really should be to help the site out and any reward is icing. This post has been edited by Mrsuperhappy: Jan 1 2017, 19:26
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Jan 1 2017, 19:25
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Juggernaut Santa
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C -> Cobalt -> Cold P -> M PI think it's like this. QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Jan 1 2017, 18:25)  it isn't worth risking getting any kind of ban from blindvoting which is the likely conclusion if you tag too fast
Not my case fortunately (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Jan 1 2017, 18:25)  (it is not physically possible to check whether a tag applies at the speed some people actually vote on tags).
Sometimes you don't have to check the gallery if: - you already know the content by previous read - contradicting tags (pegging + futa with no sex toys or strap ons for example) - same gallery in different languages with missing/wrong tags in one or more The other stuff is probably mass scripting/botting or 24h full immersion on galleries (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) This post has been edited by End Of All Hope: Jan 1 2017, 19:30
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Jan 1 2017, 19:37
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 18:25)  C -> Cobalt -> Cold P -> MP
I think it's like this.
my wild guess is that C -> Coldproof is taken from Shields' IW: F/Fireproof, C/Coldproof etc etc. then, to switch to armors: J/Juggernaut is obvious since J is still free. P/Capacitor - well, they had to pick a letter, isn't it? personally i would've picked A because of less chances to misunderstood, but whatever.
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Jan 1 2017, 19:39
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-Shun-
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 2 2017, 01:37)  my wild guess is that C -> Coldproof is taken from Shields' IW: F/Fireproof, C/Coldproof etc etc. then, to switch to armors: J/Juggernaut is obvious since J is still free. P/Capacitor - well, they had to pick a letter, isn't it? personally i would've picked A because of less chances to misunderstood, but whatever.
If they want less chances of misunderstandings happening, they could use Cp
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Jan 1 2017, 19:39
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 18:25)  The other stuff is probably mass scripting/botting or 24h full immersion on galleries (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 1 2017, 15:17)  there are people around there who (among other things) don't sleep in order to do such works
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Jan 1 2017, 18:39)  If they want less chances of misunderstandings happening, they could use Cp
did you ever try to decipher a LERS/LKD/LHAK/QWAS/whatever acronym? Cp is only a small drop in the bucket in comparison (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jan 1 2017, 19:41
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Jan 1 2017, 19:43
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yami_zetsu
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Jan 1 2017, 12:39)  If they want less chances of misunderstandings happening, they could use Cp

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Jan 1 2017, 19:48
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-Shun-
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 19-November 09

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 2 2017, 01:39)  did you ever try to decipher a LERS/LKD/LHAK/QWAS/whatever acronym? Cp is only a small drop in the bucket in comparison (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Actually yea (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I started understanding what they meant right after asking about equipment ranges a couple months back. The moment super(or was it you?) mentioned "L"min denoting minimum roll for "L"egendary to be exact (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(yami_zetsu @ Jan 2 2017, 01:43)  I'm innocent, I swear! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) This post has been edited by IshimaruShun: Jan 1 2017, 19:49
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Jan 1 2017, 20:05
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Mrsuperhappy
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Joined: 23-May 14

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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 17:25)  Sometimes you don't have to check the gallery if: - you already know the content by previous read
Possible, but then why wasn't it tagged at the time you read it? QUOTE - contradicting tags (pegging + futa with no sex toys or strap ons for example) Maybe it is meant to have sex toys and that tag is missing, rather than 'no sex toys, that must mean those others are also wrong' That is not a recommended way of tagging, though as we both said, your accuracy is so far very solid. QUOTE - same gallery in different languages with missing/wrong tags in one or more Usually, though I would be careful of contextual tags, and also make sure that the tag is actually valid on the original gallery before assuming it should be carried over.
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Jan 1 2017, 20:14
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Jan 1 2017, 19:05)  Possible, but then why wasn't it tagged at the time you read it?
Maybe I read it when I was unregistered, or on another website. Or maybe it's a reupload/update from a new guy (pop9 anyone?) that didn't carry on all the tags of the other gallery QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Jan 1 2017, 19:05)  Maybe it is meant to have sex toys and that tag is missing, rather than 'no sex toys, that must mean those others are also wrong' That is not a recommended way of tagging, though as we both said, your accuracy is so far very solid.
Yeah, but usually looking at thumbnails and opening a couple of pictures does the trick. The title helps too. And the comments as well (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Jan 1 2017, 19:05)  Usually, though I would be careful of contextual tags, and also make sure that the tag is actually valid on the original gallery before assuming it should be carried over.
Of course. But usually the galleries have the same number of images, same thumbnails, same everything so it's easy to figure out that one tag is either wrong on all or right on all. Using the things stated above plus some variations based on the situation can bring you to tag accurately. But the point is: I went #298 in the toplist, with less than 1% of the points of the top 5. And I tagged everyday something like 10/20 galleries, and at least 6 or 7 times I went through entire combination of tags to check mistakes/missing stuff, taking me even a couple of hours to do all the work. So I'm wondering if these people work 5 or 6 hours per day everyday, only on galleries (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by End Of All Hope: Jan 1 2017, 20:14
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Jan 1 2017, 20:43
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 19:14)  So I'm wondering if these people work 5 or 6 hours per day everyday, only on galleries (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) and the quality of their works as well. i know i'm not the only one wondering about that. but i'll be the one rude enough to say it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Jan 1 2017, 22:09
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Mrsuperhappy
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 18:14)  But the point is: I went #298 in the toplist, with less than 1% of the points of the top 5. And I tagged everyday something like 10/20 galleries, and at least 6 or 7 times I went through entire combination of tags to check mistakes/missing stuff, taking me even a couple of hours to do all the work. So I'm wondering if these people work 5 or 6 hours per day everyday, only on galleries (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I don't know how long it would be but as you say they must spend a lot of time simply on tagging. You yourself only have around 2500 tags so that wouldn't be enough to get on the toplists, looking at the list just for yesterday the top few did over 1000 tags. So over a year the gap between that sort of person and those of us who don't will be huge in terms of total number, as long as the accuracy is there though even if you only have a 100 tags that is preferable. This isn't aimed at you but it is as the wiki says; QUOTE These are strictly meant as compensation for those who greatly contribute to the site for the duration of a year; they are NOT meant as incentives for those seeking HentaiVerse or other rewards. Though I don't doubt that a few of those are doing it for the HV bonus.
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Jan 2 2017, 00:29
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 13:52)  Same here. I don't even know how top 30 people manage to tag that much (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I tagged LIKE MAD (99%+ accuracy) this year...got #298 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) In addition to upvoting valid tags, don't be hesitant to check for and downvote all the tags that look invalid. Many people are happy to upvote but rarely downvote, for some reason, and as a result, hundreds of thousands of galleries have bad tags that still need to be killed. (Quite a lot of bad tags get added, see [ reasoningtheory.net] here for a chart, especially activity tags, especially on English galleries and on imagesets) For me, at least, even if others have already added the obvious tags, a decent proportion of my tag count comes from helping to kill the bad ones added by those who blindvote or who haven't read the definitions. (and you really can get pretty decent tag counts through that; see the bottom of this post) Yeah, it does take a while to do...: QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 1 2017, 03:39)  (I have a text file more than 4 pages long full of links to inconsistent search results that need to be fixed up... I should really get on it more, but it seems I find a few new search strings to add every time I finish one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Only have so much free time...) Btw, if you go over galleries thoroughly and see bad tags that your power isn't enough to kill, you might post it in the Tagging and its abuse thread so they can get properly removed. If those who look carefully coordinate with each other, they'll accomplish a lot more and less effort will go to waste. That's why I post so many galleries there, at least. QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 17:25)  Sometimes you don't have to check the gallery if: - you already know the content by previous read - contradicting tags (pegging + futa with no sex toys or strap ons for example) - same gallery in different languages with missing/wrong tags in one or more You might already be aware of this, but we need to be really careful with stuff like that. Sometimes there are different versions of a gallery, like one from a tankoubon and one from an anthology, in which case censorship is often different, so a censorship tag on one is very often invalid on another. Or, maybe someone updates a gallery with a new page that invalidates an existing tag - that happens often enough with ongoing galleries (a tag stops passing presence, or "females only" fails due to a dick appearing, etc), so you have to at least glance at it to see what's different, if anything. Also double-check tags that seem inconsistent before voting; sometimes it's not that one of the existing tags is wrong, but that not all valid tags have been added yet. Sorting through the same gallery in multiple languages is a good shortcut in most cases, when the file count is similar, except in manga, where you have to be looking out for tankoubon/anthology differences. QUOTE(End Of All Hope @ Jan 1 2017, 18:14)  So I'm wondering if these people work 5 or 6 hours per day everyday, only on galleries (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The short answer: yes, for some. Come onto IRC and look at the logs, it's nearly a full-time job for many, at least that's how it looks to me when I'm there. I'm not that crazy (yet) On the other hand, there are quite a lot of people who (apparently) spam tags on every single gallery that comes up, which gives them lots of tag points but results in a whole lot more work for the cleanup crew. It takes 0.5 seconds to blindvote a tag, but it usually takes 10 seconds - 1 minute+ to conclude that a tag is invalid --- and then when you do downvote, it's only at half power. I completely agree with what it sounds like you're getting at; there are serious problems with voting.
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