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Apr 7 2011, 04:52
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Ichy
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QUOTE(buktore @ Apr 6 2011, 22:45)  Damn it Ichy, haven't you read this post?! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) After thinking about it long and hard, I took the gamble... I hope that I won't wake up tomorrow and see this thing become "toxic asset" that bankrupt me! I'm at the mercy of Cmal now... God help us... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Damn I missed that (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) If I post something of interest in the Equipment thread please send a PN. Its easy to miss a post in there. This post has been edited by Ichy: Apr 7 2011, 05:01
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Apr 9 2011, 21:00
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buktore
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Does Tenb ever told what's the game that HV was based on, or get "inspirations" (IE: Steal ideas) from? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Apr 9 2011, 21:48
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Wayward_Vagabond
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How high would a dagger's bleed damage need to be to not lower my damage? My axe has a bleed of 100, and and I get a damage of 122 with a rapier. Using a dagger with a bleed of 50, I get 108. 40 gets 104. 10 only gets 96.
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Apr 9 2011, 21:52
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Marvin666 @ Apr 9 2011, 20:48)  How high would a dagger's bleed damage need to be to not lower my damage? My axe has a bleed of 100, and and I get a damage of 122 with a rapier. Using a dagger with a bleed of 50, I get 108. 40 gets 104. 10 only gets 96.
It will always lower the bleed "tick". To counter that, the dagger will need high proc chance and turns, so despite giving less dmg per turn, they will be bleeding more times. This post has been edited by cmdct: Apr 9 2011, 21:53
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Apr 9 2011, 21:54
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coredumperror
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QUOTE(Marvin666 @ Apr 9 2011, 12:48)  How high would a dagger's bleed damage need to be to not lower my damage? My axe has a bleed of 100, and and I get a damage of 122 with a rapier. Using a dagger with a bleed of 50, I get 108. 40 gets 104. 10 only gets 96.
I'm not really following your info at the end there. But my advice would be to not use a dagger unless you're off-handing it because it has a crapload of parry (since you get +50% parry bonus from your offhand). Back when I melee'd, that was the only good use for a dagger, since they have crap damage and *really* crap bleeds.
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Apr 9 2011, 22:01
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buktore
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QUOTE(Marvin666 @ Apr 10 2011, 02:48)  How high would a dagger's bleed damage need to be to not lower my damage?
As high as mainhand bleed damage. In other word, same as mainhand... You'll almost always get lower bleed damage if you use 2 bleed weapons, unless you use something like 2 axes ... which isn't really practical. You just have to live with it... @ coredumperror There's a change in how proc works if you equip 2 weapons that with the same proc. You can read it in the 0.5.0 change log. EDIT: Whoops, Ninja'd This post has been edited by buktore: Apr 9 2011, 22:02
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Apr 9 2011, 22:02
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(coredumperror @ Apr 9 2011, 20:54)  I'm not really following your info at the end there. But my advice would be to not use a dagger unless you're off-handing it because it has a crapload of parry (since you get +50% parry bonus from your offhand). Back when I melee'd, that was the only good use for a dagger, since they have crap damage and *really* crap bleeds.
There's some good slaughter ones, and they were effective to use, at least until the recent 2W changes came.
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Apr 9 2011, 22:08
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buktore
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Apr 10 2011, 03:02)  There's some good slaughter ones, and they were effective to use, at least until the recent 2W changes came.
I used to like it, until I got a Slaughter shortsword with high parry...
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Apr 9 2011, 22:25
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Wayward_Vagabond
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I think the PA from an off hand rapier is more useful that the bleed proc boost, and I can get good parry in either one. Core: The info at the end was the bleed damage I saw with daggers of different damages,
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Apr 9 2011, 23:01
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Ichy
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QUOTE(coredumperror @ Apr 9 2011, 21:54)  that was the only good use for a dagger, since they have crap damage and *really* crap bleeds.
Thats not so bad Bleed for a Dagger I think.
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Apr 10 2011, 01:16
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coredumperror
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Well, obviously daggers are less bad than they were back when I first played. That's good to hear.
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Apr 10 2011, 02:00
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grumpymal
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They're still bad. I'm surprised people buy some when I post 'em.
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Apr 10 2011, 02:35
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Wayward_Vagabond
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That dagger's bleed scales to 60, so a pretty good one. It's parry only scales to 8.87, though. My highest is 13.31, and the rapier is 11.09.
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Apr 10 2011, 08:06
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Ichy
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QUOTE(cmal @ Apr 10 2011, 02:00)  They're still bad. I'm surprised people buy some when I post 'em.
Im surprised as well. I never found a good use for them.
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Apr 10 2011, 12:06
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coredumperror
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AWWW BULL!!! Notice that the Manthra that landed the killing blow was not only the last living monster, but also died on the same turn. I won, but still died. BLAHHH!!! Oh well, I hit 200 a few rounds earlier, so getting ejected from the IW wasn't entirely bad.
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Apr 10 2011, 12:52
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Apr 10 2011, 07:06)  Im surprised as well. I never found a good use for them.
I cleared EoD using one, before 5.0. changes (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Apr 10 2011, 13:20
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Apr 10 2011, 12:03)  I would have used a Bleeder for less turns wasted (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Without the extra parry from a nimble dagger, you would be eaten alive by the 4 annoying silenced girls. At that time, no one at 220 levels cleared EoD, and IIRC that's why you changed to maging.
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Apr 10 2011, 13:28
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Ichy
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Huh I tried that on level 230 or something like that but with an offhand rapier. PA/Poison still worked so it was no problem to kill them with with poison while just spammed some cure 2 from time to time.
Yeah because it is much faster. Even with shitprof and bad gear it was much faster then melee.
Maybe I should try my Ethereal Mace of Slaughter?
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Apr 10 2011, 13:40
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Ichy @ Apr 10 2011, 12:28)  Huh I tried that on level 230 or something like that but with an offhand rapier. PA/Poison still worked so it was no problem to kill them with with poison while just spammed some cure 2 from time to time.
You were higher than that, on one liked CW gear, and even after I cleared EoD, for most players opinion it was the worst suffix for a phase. The trick was very easy though, having enough defense to keep up the dmg, and enough and power CW to keep the bitch silenced the whole time with recasting silence again. QUOTE(Ichy @ Apr 10 2011, 12:28) 
Maybe I should try my Ethereal Mace of Slaughter?
x13 soul stones (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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