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Oct 27 2016, 21:31
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 27 2016, 04:15)  not sure. personally i think that if you don't grind too much (read: if you don't mind too much one-shot almost everything with a single hit, i'm cool like a swimming pool blah blah), melee may be a better option since it will be harder for them to be rendered completely useless by a single patch - and should it happen just after you'll switch to mage, most likely you'll have burnt a whole ton of credits for nothing.
with this being said, as for what and when to forge, uh - we can say that a Rapier of Slaughter has higher ADB than every armor slot, but due to the logarithmic gain it will surely come a point in which forging an armor slot will give you more ADB than forging the rapier. you should do a bit of math to check when exactly, but i guess it's safe to say that if you have (just saying) 15 bindings, you can sink all of them into the rapier. if you have 50 of them you may want to use 30 on the rapier, 15 on the armor and 5 on the leggings. also, while forging a stat into an armor requires an actuator worth... uh... 60k? 70? whatever - you will surely forge other stats (let's say STR, DEX, END, PMI, Crit?), so that 60~70k should be divided by the number of stats to forge. in the end, forging ADB on an armor may require you "only" 10k more than doing it on the rapier.
Yeah the actuator thing is unavoidable for power armor so I just suck it up when it comes to that, though at 16 million credits I ain't gonna get far with forging. If I'm going to play 1H for a long time henceforth I will be looking to forge my rapier plus my power armor, and maybe upgrade the power armor first; my magnificents are rapidly becoming the new exquisites. 7432 ABD@L371 doesn't feel right, though I am already wary of bidwarring for Leg slaughter.
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Oct 27 2016, 21:45
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 27 2016, 21:31)  Yeah the actuator thing is unavoidable for power armor so I just suck it up when it comes to that, though at 16 million credits I ain't gonna get far with forging. If I'm going to play 1H for a long time henceforth I will be looking to forge my rapier plus my power armor, and maybe upgrade the power armor first; my magnificents are rapidly becoming the new exquisites. 7432 ABD@L371 doesn't feel right, though I am already wary of bidwarring for Leg slaughter.
just FYI, i was at roughly 7400 till a couple of weeks ago and could go anywhere (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Oct 27 2016, 23:53
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 27 2016, 21:31)  Yeah the actuator thing is unavoidable for power armor so I just suck it up when it comes to that, though at 16 million credits I ain't gonna get far with forging. If I'm going to play 1H for a long time henceforth I will be looking to forge my rapier plus my power armor, and maybe upgrade the power armor first; my magnificents are rapidly becoming the new exquisites. 7432 ABD@L371 doesn't feel right, though I am already wary of bidwarring for Leg slaughter.
Sometimes I'm guessing if we're playing the same game (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You seem to struggle playing every time you write something...(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) With 1h, that adb and your level, you should play like this: hover, hover, hover, recast buff, hover hover, recast buff, hover, hover, mana draught, hover hover, spirit draught, hover hover, recast buff, hover, arena/RE/RoB finished QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 27 2016, 12:27)  I'm trying to figure out whether that path is better, or saving up to switch to maging?
jfyi, if you're worried about money, maging is way more expensive than melee*, and you'll lose your "safe playing". Plus, you'll be faster right (after spending a lot of credits of course), but you will have to: imperil every round and you have to aim specific monsters (aka goodbye doing things without paying much attention at the battle screen), if you're resisted doing it again, clicking mana potions and elixirs continously, use scrolls to conserve mana, and so on. And this means that you will be buying stuff every once and then to mantain yourself. Too much effort and time for a better result. *Actuator+BoS reaches barely the cost of a Phazon, then you still need 6 HGC and BoD for mage 1h is way better in that perspective. No tecnique needed, no difficulty. Just cast Regen and Heartseeker, hover and use a mana draught or a spirit draught once in a while. This all without risking to die at any time. And your restoratives stocks will overflow everywhere. And if your restoratives don't increase but decrease, it's only because you don't have a gold star yet. But you can get the RR perk for that if you aren't in a hurry for a GS This post has been edited by ppp82p: Oct 27 2016, 23:56
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Oct 27 2016, 23:58
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 27 2016, 23:53)  jfyi, if you're worried about money, maging is way more expensive than melee*, and you'll lose your "safe playing". Plus, you'll be faster right (after spending a lot of credits of course), but you will have to: imperil every round and you have to aim specific monsters (aka goodbye doing things without paying much attention at the battle screen), if you're resisted doing it again, clicking mana potions and elixirs continously, use scrolls to conserve mana, and so on. And this means that you will be buying stuff every once and then to mantain yourself. Too much effort and time for a better result.
*Actuator+BoS reaches barely the cost of a Phazon, then you still need 6 HGC and BoD for mage
1h is way better in that perspective. No tecnique needed, no difficulty. Just cast Regen and Heartseeker, hover and use a mana draught or a spirit draught once in a while. This all without risking to die at any time. And your restoratives stocks will overflow everywhere. And if your restoratives don't increase but decrease, it's only because you don't have a gold star yet. But you can get the RR perk for that if you aren't in a hurry for a GS
roughly what i wrote too.
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Oct 28 2016, 00:10
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 28 2016, 00:01)  Anyway, I just said that again (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) you're welcome. better twice than never.
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Oct 28 2016, 00:18
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Cleavs
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btw, seems like we have two new global mods...
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Oct 28 2016, 00:32
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 27 2016, 22:18)  btw, seems like we have two new global mods... I hope it means that posts that get reported will now actually be seen by someone...
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Oct 28 2016, 00:37
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 28 2016, 00:32)  I hope it means that posts that get reported will now actually be seen by someone...
and also that matters may be resolved earlier here. since varst went MIA this section lacks a mod.
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Oct 28 2016, 09:59
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 27 2016, 23:53)  Plus, you'll be faster right (after spending a lot of credits of course), but you will have to: imperil every round and you have to aim specific monsters (aka goodbye doing things without paying much attention at the battle screen), if you're resisted doing it again, clicking mana potions and elixirs continuously, use scrolls to conserve mana, and so on. And this means that you will be buying stuff every once and then to mantain yourself.
It seems to me you have very little experience with mage play. Elixirs are not commonly used at all unless you have holy/dark with 0 economizer (or no GS/perk, but at that point before switching style it's better to invest there) and scrolls are not used to conserve mana at all, they are used because they are stronger than the corresponding spells. It's also not really true that upgrading gear is more expensive for mage: - mainhand forging is comparable to staff forging for mild forging, but 1H also needs a shield - actuators + BoS X 5 is comparable to phazons X 4, and most mages stop at 10, where HGC have little impact on cost Staff MDB@35-45 and phases @10 are already pretty strong, you don't really need full forge or shit like that to mage effectively. 1H past level 400 feels so pointless, upgrades cost a lot and give little benefit, you don't need more tankyness (PFUDORFest aside) and in general playing feels increasingly boring. Sooner or later any player will want to switch to mage to fight boredom or save time so it's never a bad idea to prepare a mage persona.
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Oct 28 2016, 12:26
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cichy133
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2016, 00:37)  and also that matters may be resolved earlier here. since varst went MIA this section lacks a mod.
Are you talking about reporting spam or something more important? Also congrats for 400 lvl. [inb4 you reached it month ago]
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Oct 28 2016, 12:44
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 28 2016, 09:59) 
1H past level 400 feels so pointless, upgrades cost a lot and give little benefit, you don't need more tankyness (PFUDORFest aside) and in general playing feels increasingly boring. Sooner or later any player will want to switch to mage to fight boredom or save time so it's never a bad idea to prepare a mage persona.
Yawn.
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Oct 28 2016, 12:45
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Oct 28 2016, 12:26)  Are you talking about reporting spam or something more important?
a bit and a bit. even just in case it was needed. or maybe, could it be that the fact that we lack a resident mod mean that we are a virtous section that can go on on its own if needed? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(cichy133 @ Oct 28 2016, 12:26)  Also congrats for 400 lvl. [inb4 you reached it month ago]
yesterday. but thanks (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Oct 28 2016, 12:56
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Usagi =
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2016, 06:18)  btw, seems like we have two new global mods...
Really? Who are they? I clicked on the moderating team link in the bottom to check but no new names... Edit: Oh yeah, congrats on level 400! I guess you finally made it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by LOL50015: Oct 28 2016, 12:57
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Oct 28 2016, 13:02
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Oct 28 2016, 10:56)  Really? Who are they? I clicked on the moderating team link in the bottom to check but no new names... Edit: Oh yeah, congrats on level 400! I guess you finally made it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) blue penguin, Mrsuperhappy
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Oct 28 2016, 13:14
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Oct 28 2016, 12:56)  Oh yeah, congrats on level 400! I guess you finally made it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) uhu. i had to grind for 5 days. it was quite boring. but at least i unlocked another mob slot meanwhile. QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 28 2016, 13:02)  blue penguin, Mrsuperhappy
yep. they were promoted from section mods to global mods roughly a week ago, judging from wiki. btw, a question for all trophy shriners: i have 50 boss and 120 SG trophies lying around, plus 7 saplings and 2 noodlies. net worth 340k. what's the actual chance of earning something useful? worth the gamble or pick the granted 340k and be happy? This post has been edited by Scremaz: Oct 28 2016, 14:07
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Oct 28 2016, 14:11
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 27 2016, 14:53)  Sometimes I'm guessing if we're playing the same game (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You seem to struggle playing every time you write something...(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) With 1h, that adb and your level, you should play like this: hover, hover, hover, recast buff, hover hover, recast buff, hover, hover, mana draught, hover hover, spirit draught, hover hover, recast buff, hover, arena/RE/RoB finished jfyi, if you're worried about money, maging is way more expensive than melee*, and you'll lose your "safe playing". Plus, you'll be faster right (after spending a lot of credits of course), but you will have to: imperil every round and you have to aim specific monsters (aka goodbye doing things without paying much attention at the battle screen), if you're resisted doing it again, clicking mana potions and elixirs continously, use scrolls to conserve mana, and so on. And this means that you will be buying stuff every once and then to mantain yourself. Too much effort and time for a better result. *Actuator+BoS reaches barely the cost of a Phazon, then you still need 6 HGC and BoD for mage 1h is way better in that perspective. No tecnique needed, no difficulty. Just cast Regen and Heartseeker, hover and use a mana draught or a spirit draught once in a while. This all without risking to die at any time. And your restoratives stocks will overflow everywhere. And if your restoratives don't increase but decrease, it's only because you don't have a gold star yet. But you can get the RR perk for that if you aren't in a hurry for a GS I should, yes, but I am taking harder hits now. I've been sparked a few times in latter PF TT&T rounds (but not yet defeated) lately and my IW runs for my shield were a slow, tedious nightmare even with hoverplay. But the real issue is how long it takes to clear these battles. The way 1H seems to work, it looks like I'm never going to do all three SG arenas within 30 minutes no matter how much I upgrade. And trying to do this in PFUDOR (where my odds of mag+ gear is higher) is utterly, hilariously right out. But the problem isn't as much HV as it is my FAMILY. Starting at 3pm and ending at 8pm all hell breaks loose - kids want daddy time, wife wants hubby time to talk about family affairs, friends and relatives get off work and swing by. It never f$%king fails. HV resets at 5pm (4pm in a few weeks). Even on Saturdays I'm not free. Somewhere around 3pm it's a friggin party in here and attendance is mandatory. I don't mind this, but, well, HV suffers. I have been forced to go a week without so much as touching HV a few times, because family made "party hour" a 24 hour thing. Due to the mechanics of time and all, to get the most out of HV you need to clear DWD, ED and EoD in the first hour, that's 6+5+4 stamina, that leaves you with 84 stamina, then you can hit TT&T and a few other arena runs whenever you want as long as your stamina doesn't recover all the way back to 99. Experience says I actually need to finish all three arenas in a 30 minute time window before someone whines about hubby/daddy somehow neglecting his family in the 3pm-8pm time slot which is the time when HV resets. *facepalm* See how that works? If I wait until hell is done breaking loose then it's at least 8pm and I am effectively starting HV with a stamina of 95 or 96. My daily potential has declined significantly. I could just do 1 arena and come back for more later but I don't roll like that, I want my whole day's HV potential dammit. TL;dr: I need to clear SG arenas in 30 mins. My upgrades are aimed at achieving that.
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Oct 28 2016, 14:19
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 28 2016, 14:11)  I could just do 1 arena and come back for more later but I don't roll like that, I want my whole day's HV potential dammit.
TL;dr: I need to clear SG arenas in 30 mins. My upgrades are aimed at achieving that.
you have a family. your family needs you. HV is only a game, so just take it like what it is.
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Oct 28 2016, 14:23
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 28 2016, 12:11)  I should, yes, but I am taking harder hits now. I've been sparked a few times in latter PF TT&T rounds (but not yet defeated) lately and my IW runs for my shield were a slow, tedious nightmare even with hoverplay. But the real issue is how long it takes to clear these battles. Getting Sparked is perfectly fine. I often get Sparked every minute as mage sometimes, it's nothing to worry about unless you get Spirit Potion and Spirit Elixir and Last Elixir all on CD. Shield IW is a waste of time except for near perfect equips, since it can't give Jug (or Cap). (Especially not worth it on a kite shield, in case that's the situation) QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 28 2016, 12:11)  The way 1H seems to work, it looks like I'm never going to do all three SG arenas within 30 minutes no matter how much I upgrade. I would think you'd probably be able to do that on Hard quickly, without much trouble. Hell and above are too unprofitable, they're surely not worth it. QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 28 2016, 12:11)  [blogging] (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 28 2016, 12:11)  to get the most out of HV you need to clear DWD, ED and EoD in the first hour, that's 6+5+4 stamina, that leaves you with 84 stamina, then you can hit TT&T and a few other arena runs whenever you want as long as your stamina doesn't recover all the way back to 99. SG arenas are trash on high difficulty, and only OK-ish on low difficulty. Feel free to skip them completely. Sounds like you want to be able to burn stamina quick - standard arenas are the best choice for that.
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Oct 28 2016, 14:34
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2016, 05:19)  you have a family. your family needs you. HV is only a game, so just take it like what it is.
Yeah and there's always PF RE, which while not consistently profitable, does land me a surprising number of artifacts and all my successfully auctioned gear came from there.
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