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Oct 21 2016, 02:51
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skillchip
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 20 2016, 23:40)  It's non-matching. Hallowed (holy) doesn't go with Willow (dark, wind, elec). So it's not all that desirable for someone looking for a serious long-term staff.
Unless explosions get an overhaul
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Oct 21 2016, 03:06
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 20 2016, 16:40)  It's non-matching. Hallowed (holy) doesn't go with Willow (dark, wind, elec). So it's not all that desirable for someone looking for a serious long-term staff.
Willow goes with demonic, not hallowed. Got it.
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Oct 21 2016, 11:28
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Oct 21 2016, 02:51)  Unless explosions get an overhaul
just not to buff mages too much, huh? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 21 2016, 03:06)  Willow goes with demonic, not hallowed. Got it.
yep. Demonic with Willow and Katalox. Hallowed with Katalox and Oak.
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Oct 21 2016, 13:11
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Juggernaut Santa
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It's easy in the end. To know just check the EDBs that crude staves (aka unprefixed and unsuffixed) have, those are the elements they support, and the prefixes that are ok. Exception is Oak since it doesn't have destruction suffix or fire/cold suffix, so it's only for Holy. As for suffixes, you have to see, some staves have only damage or matching element suffixes, others have proficiency too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) In the end: Redwood: All Elemental Prefixes, All Elemental Suffixes, Destruction Suffix, Elementalist Suffix Willow: Elec, Wind and Dark Prefixes, Destruction Suffix Oak: Holy Prefix, Heimdall Suffix Katalox: Holy and Dark Prefixes, Destruction, Heimdall, Fenrir, Heaven-Sent, Demon-Fiend Suffix Matching of course. Focus suffix is meh. The rest is trash or so.
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Oct 21 2016, 13:36
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 21 2016, 13:11)  -snip-
it would've been quicker if you just listed all the ok combos (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Oct 21 2016, 14:44
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cichy133
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Is there any significant difference between elemental and holy/dark mages? I'm, pretty bored of fire mage and maybe changing the playstyle will bring me back to the game.
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Oct 21 2016, 14:51
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Oct 21 2016, 14:44)  Is there any significant difference between elemental and holy/dark mages? I'm, pretty bored of fire mage and maybe changing the playstyle will bring me back to the game.
holy/dark should work wonders against SGs.
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Oct 21 2016, 14:55
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Oct 21 2016, 14:44)  Is there any significant difference between elemental and holy/dark mages? I'm, pretty bored of fire mage and maybe changing the playstyle will bring me back to the game.
Holy and dark are better for sg and you don't even need imperil for them (but for the other monsters you may need it) Elemental is way more mana conservative and in normal arenas is pretty much the same as Holy/Dark
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Oct 21 2016, 15:01
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cichy133
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Thanks for answers, I may consider buying second set. Btw I need a good doujins reader for pc. I'm torrenting 800 titles and I want to read them just like on sad panda with multi page viewer enabled - pages fit to my screen width, scrolling down for next pages. Is it possible in irfanview or something else will be better?
This post has been edited by cichy133: Oct 21 2016, 15:03
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Oct 21 2016, 15:14
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Oct 21 2016, 15:01)  Thanks for answers, I may consider buying second set. Btw I need a good doujins reader for pc. I'm torrenting 800 titles and I want to read them just like on sad panda with multi page viewer enabled - pages fit to my screen width, scrolling down for next pages. Is it possible in irfanview or something else will be better?
currently i use [ www.cdisplayex.com] CDisplayEX
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Oct 21 2016, 16:01
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 21 2016, 19:55)  Holy and dark are better for sg and you don't even need imperil for them (but for the other monsters you may need it) Elemental is way more mana conservative and in normal arenas is pretty much the same as Holy/Dark
nah , imperil is faster since it will reduce SG MMI too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Oct 21 2016, 16:07
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 21 2016, 14:55)  Holy and dark are better for sg and you don't even need imperil for them (but for the other monsters you may need it)
Nope, like seriously nope. Not using imperil will slow you down, at least, 25% for holy and probably more for dark. And that is with a no-imperil set (1.0 prof factor). The difference with a 4+1 or 5+0 setup are even bigger.
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Oct 21 2016, 16:10
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 21 2016, 16:07)  Nope, like seriously nope.
SG don't have holy or dark mitigations, it's pointless to imperil them QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 21 2016, 16:01)  nah , imperil is faster since it will reduce SG MMI too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) proficiency does that (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) This post has been edited by ppp82p: Oct 21 2016, 16:11
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Oct 21 2016, 16:35
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 21 2016, 16:10)  SG don't have holy or dark mitigations, it's pointless to imperil them
Still nope. QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 21 2016, 16:10)  proficiency does that (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Nope, prof reduces specific mitigations (holy, dark, fire, wind, cold and elec), MMI is only reduced by imperil or by Breached Defense.
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Oct 21 2016, 18:26
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Koaen
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I have questions for somebody that understands proficiency calcs.
What would be the real benefit of having 600 Prof vs 700 Prof? Would it translate to just a couple % of counter-resist?
What would be the real benefit of having capped Prof (1000)? Would the counter-resist actually be worth the lack of magic score?
These questions apply to both Holy and Elemental separately. (Excluding counter resist from Staffs)
Including Staffs, from what i've experienced; Using Katalox or Redwood allows for use of Prof gear. Meaning 3 Phase 2 Prof is about the same damage as 5 Phase. Using Willow or Oak does not allow for use of Prof gear. Meaning using any Prof is weaker than using 5 Phase.
Does this mean that the counter-resist gained from Staffs is roughly equivalent to capped Prof?
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Oct 21 2016, 19:04
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Basara Nekki
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 21 2016, 12:10)  SG don't have holy or dark mitigations, it's pointless to imperil them
Abilities: Dark Imperil & Holy Imperil (up to -25%)
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Oct 21 2016, 20:28
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Oct 21 2016, 19:04)  Abilities: Dark Imperil & Holy Imperil (up to -25%)
he means that SGs have static -1 Holy/Dark mitigations, and the most Imperil can do is bring mitigation = 0 so if you rely on Imperil to lower such elemental mitigations, it's pointless. though other users pointed out that Imperil also lowers generic MMI meanwhile, so it may still be useful. basically Imperil is useless from a Holy/Dark EDB point of view, but still useful from the point of view of raw MDB damage. something like that.
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Oct 21 2016, 21:21
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Basara Nekki
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 21 2016, 16:28)  he means that SGs have static -1 Holy/Dark mitigations, and the most Imperil can do is bring mitigation = 0 so if you rely on Imperil to lower such elemental mitigations, it's pointless. though other users pointed out that Imperil also lowers generic MMI meanwhile, so it may still be useful. basically Imperil is useless from a Holy/Dark EDB point of view, but still useful from the point of view of raw MDB damage. something like that.
But it does not help to further reduce the resistance? For example, and quite simply, if my Holy attack causes 10,000 damage without this ability, it could be up to 12,500 with this? I think I have to do a test to see if it has any significant difference.
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