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post Sep 26 2016, 23:50
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 26 2016, 23:45) *

next patch will be about mitigations, so it may or may not be the case. either way, nerfing PA without at least buffing the other procs would be a major drawback, i guess.

Buffing BW ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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post Sep 27 2016, 00:02
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Sep 26 2016, 23:50) *

you just made me remember i have a similar one. i should IW that too, but i still didn't decide whether to go for the Shortsword/Rapier or the Rapier/Shortsword combo.
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post Sep 27 2016, 00:05
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 27 2016, 00:02) *

you just made me remember i have a similar one. i should IW that too, but i still didn't decide whether to go for the Shortsword/Rapier or the Rapier/Shortsword combo.

The choice is obvious.
In mainhand the one with higher adb.
In offhand the one that can have the nimble suffix.
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post Sep 27 2016, 00:09
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Sep 27 2016, 00:05) *

The choice is obvious.
In mainhand the one with higher adb.
In offhand the one that can have the nimble suffix.

so Shortsword Slaughter/Rapier Nimble.
and what about Rapier Slaughter/Shortsword Balance?
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post Sep 27 2016, 00:22
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 27 2016, 00:09) *

so Shortsword Slaughter/Rapier Nimble.
and what about Rapier Slaughter/Shortsword Balance?

That was my first idea before thinking "hey, I didn't think about putting the rapier in offhand"
It's worse than Shortsword+Rapier for a couple of reasons.

First because Shortsword and Rapier have the same stats besides Str/Agi PABS, Acc and ADB, so why in the world would you put a rapier in mainhand? Shortsword is a better Rapier
Second you miss the Nimble suffix extra parry
Third the Acc on Shortsword is so high that Balance suffix is a waste on it. At that point you should go double slaughter, but then why putting the rapier in mainhand?

The only 3 shortsword+rapier combinations are these:
- Shortsword of Slaughter + Rapier of Slaughter -> Max Damage, Normal Crit, Normal Parry, Offhand Chance ~88-90%
- Shortsword of Slaughter + Rapier of Balance -> Normal Damage, Max Crit, Normal Parry, Offhand Chance 100%
- Shortsword of Slaughter + Rapier of the Nimble -> Normal Damage, Normal Crit, Max Parry, Offhand Chance ~88-90%

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post Sep 27 2016, 00:27
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for that Shortsword of Balance, i thought about Crit chance.

but yep, i see your point. Rapier of Slaughter is partly wasted since the ADB nerf on offhand, so i'd go for Nimble. dead men tell no tales, but Crit would still be decent
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post Sep 27 2016, 00:36
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Yup...but if you want crit, Rapier of Balance is the way (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Anyway, if BW would be buffed in any way, something like Axe+Club (both with Butcher 4 Fatality 5) could become viable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Sep 27 2016, 00:40
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Sep 27 2016, 00:36) *

Yup...but if you want crit, Rapier of Balance is the way (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Anyway, if BW would be buffed in any way, something like Axe+Club (both with Butcher 4 Fatality 5) could become viable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

remember that there's both Balance and Nimble suffixes for Clubs. personally i'd go for one of those in this case too. Axe of Slaughter, obviously.
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post Sep 27 2016, 00:41
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 26 2016, 23:45) *

next patch will be about mitigations, so it may or may not be the case. either way, nerfing PA without at least buffing the other procs would be a major drawback, i guess.

Proc are generally underwhelming, nerfing PA to be more in line with the others it shouldn't be that bad.
PA still needs to be better than other procs since rapier and estoc have generally worse stats than the alternatives.

But that's only the start, you then need to nerf OC gain from 1H (I would link it with the number of counter-hits, making it impossible to mantain permastance with just 1 counter-hit per round), slightly buff DW and rethink 2H and Niten.
Then you need to boost elem mage to compensate for imperil nerf etc etc.
It's not easy to make everything balanced viable.
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post Sep 27 2016, 00:46
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PA nerf and elem mage buff? eeeeeeewwwww! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

what about a serious DW/2H buff and holy/dark mages nerf? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 27 2016, 01:04
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 27 2016, 00:46) *

holy/dark mages nerf? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


No thanks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) There are allready enough In Memory of Monsters out there.
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post Sep 27 2016, 01:07
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Sep 27 2016, 01:04) *

No thanks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) There are allready enough In Memory of Monsters out there.

he will make them anyways since he enjoys to do it. or so he said once.

at this point, why not giving him a reason to do it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Sep 27 2016, 01:20
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 27 2016, 01:07) *

he will make them anyways since he enjoys to do it. or so he said once.

at this point, why not giving him a reason to do it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


When after the patch In Memory of white mage monster appear, i will blame you for this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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post Sep 27 2016, 01:27
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Sep 27 2016, 01:20) *

When after the patch In Memory of white mage monster appear, i will blame you for this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

i doubt he can create many mobs at this point. and even renaming one of them should cost him something like 45 tokens each.
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post Sep 27 2016, 01:30
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Sep 27 2016, 01:20) *

When after the patch In Memory of white mage monster appear, i will blame you for this. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)


I hope so...if they overshadow "tempXXX" "yukkuriXXX" "arcXXX" and all these fucking monsters with same name and number in the end...I'll be happy.

At least in Memory are original. And don't end with 3 numbers between 001 and 200.

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 27 2016, 01:27) *

i doubt he can create many mobs at this point. and even renaming one of them should cost him something like 45 tokens each.

So, i guess that means i will have to search for a better reason to blame you for. Dont worry i will find one.
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post Sep 27 2016, 02:08
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ Sep 27 2016, 01:37) *

So, i guess that means i will have to search for a better reason to blame you for. Dont worry i will find one.

hey, the bad one here is ppp! you picked the wrong target!
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post Sep 27 2016, 02:09
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 27 2016, 02:08) *

hey, the bad one here is ppp! you picked the wrong target!

Don't deny the facts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 27 2016, 02:14
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Sep 26 2016, 00:27) *



Is that 0.83/0.84 peerless? Mine has lower stats so it must be from 0.82 or older

Peerless hallowed wakizashi


I wanted peerless ethereal katana and waki but too hard to get.

I am preparing for the distant future when Ninten is one day fixed.
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post Sep 27 2016, 02:19
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Sep 27 2016, 02:14) *

Is that 0.83/0.84 peerless? Mine has lower stats so it must be from 0.82 or older

Peerless hallowed wakizashi
I wanted peerless ethereal katana and waki but too hard to get.

I am preparing for the distant future when Ninten is one day fixed.

yours should be 0.81, judging from the EID.
Void's comes from one of these last auctions
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