 |
 |
 |
The Official Hentaiverse Chat, Post your random thoughts or theorycrafts about HV |
|
May 24 2016, 19:55
|
Rhydin
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 887
Joined: 5-June 15

|
QUOTE(ppp82p @ May 24 2016, 19:30)  Oh, this made me wondering something (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) So, Block for 1H Heavy and evade for DW Light are quite the same (66-70%), and have the same effect (nullify the damage, both magical and physical). Then DW has more parry and more resist. So how come 1H is so much tankier than DW? (stun is a a double-edged sword...you get all the attacks when it expires) Heavy has better PMI/MMI and much better specific mitigations. Also, additional HP from abilities. On the other hand, Shade has NO piercing mitigation at all, meaning piercing = void dmg for Shaders. Also, 1H Heavy has permanent Spirit Stance -> faster kills, and dead mobs don't attack. Also extra damage from counters + stun proc on top of that. Monsters get 1 free action after a stun expires, but when stunned for 3 turns it's ~66% damage reduction. In case we're talking about PF difficulty, DW also has to deal with monster parry which really slows things down...
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 24 2016, 19:57
|
Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,313
Joined: 18-January 07

|
QUOTE(ppp82p @ May 24 2016, 19:30)  Oh, this made me wondering something (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) So, Block for 1H Heavy and evade for DW Light are quite the same (66-70%), and have the same effect (nullify the damage, both magical and physical). Then DW has more parry and more resist. So how come 1H is so much tankier than DW? (stun is a a double-edged sword...you get all the attacks when it expires) Counters - which are passive damage and contribute to extend your AoE. less hits required perma-Spirit Stance - which basically allows you to double your damage everytime. less hits required. bigger AoE - you are hitting one mob and meanwhile other 3 pay for the first. less hits required. Overwhelming Strikes - native Overpower boost. less hits parried, less hits required. to be able to compete a little bit more, DW should have at least a passive OC generation like 1H does, which will allow to use either standard 2x damage mode, OFC or Frenzied Blows more frequently This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 24 2016, 20:01
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 24 2016, 20:40
|
Koaen
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 2,225
Joined: 7-April 12

|
I'm going to binge a video game this weekend.
Thanks Scremaz
|
|
|
May 24 2016, 21:23
|
Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,313
Joined: 18-January 07

|
QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 24 2016, 20:40)  I'm going to binge a video game this weekend.
Thanks Scremaz
no problem sir (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
|
|
|
May 25 2016, 00:30
|
EsotericSatire
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 12,655
Joined: 31-July 10

|
QUOTE(ppp82p @ May 24 2016, 03:41)  Bubble Gum?
Not really sustainable unless I do thousands of rounds of grindfest to build up bubble gum
|
|
|
May 25 2016, 00:45
|
Koaen
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 2,225
Joined: 7-April 12

|
QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ May 24 2016, 18:30)  Not really sustainable unless I do thousands of rounds of grindfest to build up bubble gum
The only real improvement would be dropping Economizer for Annihilator and getting rid of that cloth piece for another radiant. I think prof is over-rated considering that even with 2 phase/3 cloth monsters still resist spells often. My time with Holy is around 12 minutes. I would expect max elemental with good ping and all is about 16 minutes (comparing to my Niflheim set). 20 minutes is pretty dang good. I wish I could unsoulbind this to give to you, heh.
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 25 2016, 00:58
|
Superlatanium
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 7,619
Joined: 27-November 13

|
QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 24 2016, 22:45)  The only real improvement would be dropping Economizer for Annihilator and getting rid of that cloth piece for another radiant. I think prof is over-rated considering that even with 2 phase/3 cloth monsters still resist spells often.
My time with Holy is around 12 minutes. I would expect max elemental with good ping and all is about 16 minutes (comparing to my Niflheim set). My time for PF DwD as elec is 16 min - 19 min, with 3 damage perks and meh-tier phase (no Radiant) forged to 12 or so. Prof is only 0.68, so the SGs still have 7 mitigation. So I think peak Elem clearing ability on SGs is probably only somewhat worse than Holy's, but not by a lot. If I got better stats I think 13-14 min average wouldn't be impossible.
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 25 2016, 01:18
|
jacquelope
Group: Members
Posts: 10,449
Joined: 28-July 15

|
QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 24 2016, 15:45)  The only real improvement would be dropping Economizer for Annihilator and getting rid of that cloth piece for another radiant. I think prof is over-rated considering that even with 2 phase/3 cloth monsters still resist spells often. My time with Holy is around 12 minutes. I would expect max elemental with good ping and all is about 16 minutes (comparing to my Niflheim set). 20 minutes is pretty dang good. I wish I could unsoulbind this to give to you, heh. Holy Starkiller Base in staff form, Batman. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 25 2016, 11:24
|
mozilla browser
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 2,131
Joined: 22-December 11

|
QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ May 24 2016, 21:34)  DwD clear time 20 mins 40 seconds.
Is it even possible for mjolnir to be faster without a better internet connection? hopefully when I finish my dark set it will be a bit faster.
Magnet? Though I'm not really sure if spending a turn to cast Magnet saves more than one turn after. QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 25 2016, 06:58)  My time for PF DwD as elec is 16 min - 19 min, with 3 damage perks and meh-tier phase (no Radiant) forged to 12 or so. Prof is only 0.68, so the SGs still have 7 mitigation. So I think peak Elem clearing ability on SGs is probably only somewhat worse than Holy's, but not by a lot. If I got better stats I think 13-14 min average wouldn't be impossible.
I take 20+ mins as dark mage, I believe largely due to 1.xx t/s.
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 26 2016, 15:50
|
EsotericSatire
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 12,655
Joined: 31-July 10

|
QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 24 2016, 12:45)  The only real improvement would be dropping Economizer for Annihilator and getting rid of that cloth piece for another radiant. I think prof is over-rated considering that even with 2 phase/3 cloth monsters still resist spells often. My time with Holy is around 12 minutes. I would expect max elemental with good ping and all is about 16 minutes (comparing to my Niflheim set). 20 minutes is pretty dang good. I wish I could unsoulbind this to give to you, heh. I'm already running a shocking willow it also could be due to my ping and turn rate. I'm building a fenrir set to to try to crack the 20 min mark.
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 26 2016, 18:34
|
version365
Group: Members
Posts: 570
Joined: 4-October 12

|
I just noticed that the arrangement of the trainings have changed. There used to be Adept Learner first, then Ability Boost and then Assimilator; but now Assimilator is right after Adept Learner.. I saved myself quite a few times from accidentally clicking Assimilator when trying to train Ability Boost! And saved some credits! Was that done on purpose as an accidental credit sink? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
|
|
|
May 26 2016, 19:02
|
f4tal
Group: Members
Posts: 2,662
Joined: 10-January 13

|
QUOTE I just noticed that the arrangement of the trainings have changed. There used to be Adept Learner first, then Ability Boost and then Assimilator; but now Assimilator is right after Adept Learner.. Are you sure? =) I don't remember Assimilator was third, all this time, I guess, it was right after Adept Learner, but I maybe wrong ^^"
|
|
|
May 26 2016, 19:04
|
Juggernaut Santa
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 11,132
Joined: 26-April 12

|
QUOTE(f4tal @ May 26 2016, 19:02)  Are you sure? =) I don't remember Assimilator was third, all this time, I guess, it was right after Adept Learner, but I maybe wrong ^^"
Assimilator is second from a bit of time. Don't know before, but 5 months ago it was definitely second.
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 26 2016, 19:32
|
izpekopon
Group: Members
Posts: 1,498
Joined: 27-August 15

|
QUOTE(f4tal @ May 27 2016, 01:02)  Are you sure? =) I don't remember Assimilator was third, all this time, I guess, it was right after Adept Learner, but I maybe wrong ^^"
QUOTE(ppp82p @ May 27 2016, 01:04)  Assimilator is second from a bit of time. Don't know before, but 5 months ago it was definitely second.
Hasn't Assimilator always been 2nd and under the Adept Learner? As far as i can recall, since the time i joined, it has always been Adept Learner, Assimilator then Ability Boost (Maybe it might have been different before i joined, that which i do not know of).
|
|
|
May 26 2016, 20:30
|
f4tal
Group: Members
Posts: 2,662
Joined: 10-January 13

|
[paranoia mode activated] Why everyone have different opinion here about Assimilator and its position? What's going one? o_O
|
|
|
May 26 2016, 20:51
|
Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,313
Joined: 18-January 07

|
QUOTE(f4tal @ May 26 2016, 20:30)  [paranoia mode activated] Why everyone have different opinion here about Assimilator and its position? What's going one? o_O
Assimilator is a very expensive yet almost useless training. you may want to avoid it in every possible way
|
|
|
May 26 2016, 20:57
|
f4tal
Group: Members
Posts: 2,662
Joined: 10-January 13

|
QUOTE Assimilator is a very expensive yet almost useless training. you may want to avoid it in every possible way Ahah, you mean "because this thingy so expensive and worthless - nobody give a care about very it was placed before and now"? =) Seriously, for me all this time it was second. But because I have started to play 5 month ago, maybe I missed this time where it was third? ^^"
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 26 2016, 21:21
|
izpekopon
Group: Members
Posts: 1,498
Joined: 27-August 15

|
QUOTE(f4tal @ May 27 2016, 02:30)  [paranoia mode activated] Why everyone have different opinion here about Assimilator and its position? What's going one? o_O
QUOTE(f4tal @ May 27 2016, 02:57)  Ahah, you mean "because this thingy so expensive and worthless - nobody give a care about very it was placed before and now"? =) Seriously, for me all this time it was second. But because I have started to play 5 month ago, maybe I missed this time where it was third? ^^"
I think u misunderstood. From what i can see, most of us (u, ppp82p as well as me) here agree that the arrangement has always been Adept Learner followed by Assimilator before Ability Boost. QUOTE(f4tal @ May 27 2016, 01:02)  Are you sure? =) I don't remember Assimilator was third, all this time, I guess, it was right after Adept Learner, but I maybe wrong ^^"
QUOTE(ppp82p @ May 27 2016, 01:04)  Assimilator is second from a bit of time. Don't know before, but 5 months ago it was definitely second.
QUOTE(izpekopon @ May 27 2016, 01:32)  Hasn't Assimilator always been 2nd and under the Adept Learner? As far as i can recall, since the time i joined, it has always been Adept Learner, Assimilator then Ability Boost (Maybe it might have been different before i joined, that which i do not know of).
This post has been edited by izpekopon: May 26 2016, 21:23
|
|
|
|
 |
|
May 26 2016, 21:27
|
f4tal
Group: Members
Posts: 2,662
Joined: 10-January 13

|
Yes, sorry I misread ppp82p comment, I think he said: QUOTE Assimilator is second from a bit of time. Don't know before, but 5 months ago it was definitely THIRD That's from where misunderstanding was, I think we have 50/50 situation ^^" My bad, excuse me =)
|
|
|
2 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
|
 |
 |
 |
|