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post May 10 2016, 23:40
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Seriously though, it's pretty annoying to check Item Shop Bot all the time when there are multiple players who want to keep the highest bid. Sometimes the price goes up by 1c every 30 minutes or so, until someone makes a really high bid.

Tip, if you need something from bot, put a bid equal to the maximum one.
If few people are bidding, they won't notice you are concurring with them, and they won't raise.
I did a little bid war of 1-5c some time ago...then I put the max bid and completed all I needed within 30 minutes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Anyway, got Crystallized Phazon from my 1st monster...this is the second in 10 days (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 11 2016, 04:56
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So crystal packs are bidding for 32K in WTB despite being worth a lot less than before when bids were at 25K?

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post May 11 2016, 09:54
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Probably many ppl just ignored selling and with time demand exceeded the supply. Look at edb/mdb bindings. One is hard to sell even for 1k and another easy get 180k+. But at the same time their "power" value is very similar. Such big difference only because we have shortage/excess.
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post May 11 2016, 12:29
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Anyway, got Crystallized Phazon from my 1st monster...this is the second in 10 days biggrin.gif

Hey, you are lucky guy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

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Probably many ppl just ignored selling and with time demand exceeded the supply. Look at edb/mdb bindings. One is hard to sell even for 1k and another easy get 180k+. But at the same time their "power" value is very similar. Such big difference only because we have shortage/excess.

By the way, if we started to talk about WTS/WTB and bids overly, why Crystallize Phazons worth so much? It is because of their rare-ness?
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post May 11 2016, 12:41
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ May 11 2016, 02:56) *
So crystal packs are bidding for 32K in WTB despite being worth a lot less than before when bids were at 25K?
I blame me.
QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 10:29) *
By the way, if we started to talk about WTS/WTB and bids overly, why Crystallize Phazons worth so much? It is because of their rare-ness?
Because mages need them, and high level mages usually have lots and lots of funds and like to heavily forge. Lots of buyer competition, and not much supply quantity => high price.
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post May 11 2016, 12:49
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Ohh, so idea is like "we put a big prices for this thingy, because they are valuably for mages, and because all mage's stuff are expensive, let's make this one expensive too", but why mage is expensive anyway?
Okay-okay it is sophism I know, let's jut take thing as they is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post May 11 2016, 12:54
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QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 10:49) *
Ohh, so idea is like "we put a big prices for this thingy, because they are valuably for mages, and because all mage's stuff are expensive, let's make this one expensive too", but why mage is expensive anyway?
Okay-okay it is sophism I know, let's jut take thing as they is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
Not so much "because all mage's stuff are expensive", but "because mages can afford to pay a whole lot" for something that essential to forging.

Mage is expensive because it is generally the style of choice for high-level players, and high-level players are also most frequently the most well-off, and are also the ones who are most often hath barons. So they compete against each other, and as a result, the price of mage items and equips is high.
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post May 11 2016, 13:05
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But some novices are mage too. I mean we have a newcomer, he have a choice: melee or mage, he have no any additional info like: melee (prefer for level <400) or melee (prefer for level >400).
Sad thing is our high price harm novice's gameplay. I know that mage is overly better than melee in terms of clear speed and item management, and that's why many high-levelers with a lot money choose them, but amateur will be tortured because of that. I can't believe that some amateur on level ~250 who have found nice gear will spend ~200,000 on Phazon. Of course hath baron can afford he, but a regular player barely can =(
It is a good thing that I started to play as melee and will never switch in mage-religion, but I can understand pain of players who decided to play as mages from beginning. I can get ~1,000,000-1,500,000 in week and noway is poor, but even with that income I think twice before buying materials, no speaking about novices with ~200,000 week income. That's what bother me most. If some barons have a personal war for good equip - it is regular deal, but in terms of friendly game for newcomer this is unfair... =(

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post May 11 2016, 13:25
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QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 12:49) *

Ohh, so idea is like "we put a big prices for this thingy, because they are valuably for mages, and because all mage's stuff are expensive, let's make this one expensive too", but why mage is expensive anyway?
Okay-okay it is sophism I know, let's jut take thing as they is (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ May 11 2016, 12:54) *

Not so much "because all mage's stuff are expensive", but "because mages can afford to pay a whole lot" for something that essential to forging.

Mage is expensive because it is generally the style of choice for high-level players, and high-level players are also most frequently the most well-off, and are also the ones who are most often hath barons. So they compete against each other, and as a result, the price of mage items and equips is high.

it's more a matter of demand and offer, like always.
high demand and low offer? prices will raise.
low demand and high offer? prices will drop.

QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 13:05) *

But some novices are mage too. I mean we have a newcomer, he have a choice: melee or mage, he have no any additional info like: melee (prefer for level <400) or melee (prefer for level >400).
Sad thing is our high price harm novice's gameplay. I know that mage is overly better than melee in terms of clear speed and item management, and that's why many high-levelers with a lot money choose them, but amateur will be tortured because of that. I can't believe that some amateur on level ~250 who have found nice gear will spend ~200,000 on Phazon. Of course hath baron can afford he, but a regular player barely can =(
It is a good thing that I started to play as melee and will never switch in mage-religion, but I can understand pain of players who decided to play as mages from beginning. I can get ~1,000,000-1,500,000 in week and noway is poor, but even with that income I think twice before buying materials, no speaking about novices with ~200,000 week income. That's what bother me most. If some barons have a personal war for good equip - it is regular deal, but in terms of friendly game for newcomer this is unfair... =(

novices won't see many benefits from forging because at low levels stats don't scale very well. plus their funds are limited and level up speed quite high, so their gears are destined to be switched quite frequently - quite pointless to forge them to begin with.
rather, i won't say it's pointless to play as a mage at low levels, but surely more troublesome than meleeing since a mage to survive needs good stats. if you note, we highly suggest to go as a melee at the start - because it's a build that can work decently with little effort due to its higher toughness and it's easier to find cheap yet decent gears
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post May 11 2016, 13:30
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if you note, we highly suggest to go as a melee at the start - because it's a build that can work decently with little effort due to its higher toughness and it's easier to find cheap yet decent gears

I agree here, but not anybody see this advice =(
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post May 11 2016, 13:32
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QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 13:30) *

I agree here, but not anybody see this advice =(

well, it's not that we can reach everyone (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

[edit]: btw, advices page is seriously outdated. it still refers to Ebony of Focus. just saying. maybe we should open a dedicated thread to discuss how to modify it, seems like a long work...

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post May 11 2016, 13:39
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QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 19:30) *

I agree here, but not anybody see this advice =(

That would be me when i first started HV, since i'm that guy who always goes for mage / support class in any RPG.
Found out how hard and a credit sink mages can be a little too late. (HV kept dropping me decent Maging gears to entice me (Mag Redwood of destruction at level 98))

If not for my H@H Income i don't think i'll be able to do much / level as a mage at all, was playing at nightmare difficulty in level 200+

Might as well to stick with it after so much "Investment" eh?

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post May 11 2016, 13:51
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QUOTE(Natmanko @ May 11 2016, 13:39) *

That would be me when i first started HV, since i'm that guy who always goes for mage / support class in any RPG.
Found out how hard and a credit sink mages can be a little too late. (HV kept dropping me decent Maging gears to entice me (Mag Redwood of destruction at level 98))

If not for my H@H Income i don't think i'll be able to do much / level as a mage at all, was playing at nightmare difficulty in level 200+

Might as well to stick with it after so much "Investment" eh?

if i can say a word, this is/was your mistake:
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since i'm that guy who always goes for mage / support class in any RPG.

don't take me wrong, i'm the kind of guy who picks jiggling avatars as much as possible so i can feel it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
but consider that in many games there's a tutorial: this should be useful for you to understand a bit of how the game itself works since every game is unique on its own. i agree there's not anything like that here in HV, but there's a wiki - if nothing else - which hints there exists an option to mage.

with this being said, yep, you should stick with mage at this point - especially since you'll soon unlock 0-CD Imperil. maybe replacing bra and heels, but that's it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post May 11 2016, 14:20
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2016, 19:51) *

if i can say a word, this is/was your mistake:
don't take me wrong, i'm the kind of guy who picks jiggling avatars as much as possible so i can feel it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Bleh, i just like being able to melt enemies without being up close.

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post May 11 2016, 14:21
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Thanks God I always choose melee in any RPG (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
But in most cases I am playing with women character if possibly, so bad HentaiVerse don't provide this possibility xD
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post May 11 2016, 14:34
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QUOTE(Natmanko @ May 11 2016, 14:20) *

Bleh, i just like being able to melt enemies without being up close.

oh, well, whatever...

QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 14:21) *

But in most cases I am playing with women character if possibly, so bad HentaiVerse don't provide this possibility xD

indeed...

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post May 11 2016, 14:48
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indeed...

Ohh, sir, you make me feel soooo good sometimes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
The one I can't really understand in videogames is melee girls in RPG, especially clother they are wearing. Just at look at this
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She has NO ARMOR, this metal bra will not save her from hit, you know
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It is sexy, I agree, but this is nor armor at all, it is porn staff, not melee clother xD
I don't know for what reasons developers dressed them like whores and sluts... okay, I know for what reasons, but still... ^^"


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post May 11 2016, 15:03
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QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 14:48) *

Ohh, sir, you make me feel soooo good sometimes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
The one I can't really understand in videogames is melee girls in RPG, especially clother they are wearing. Just at look at this
She has NO ARMOR, this metal bra will not save her from hit, you know
It is sexy, I agree, but this is nor armor at all, it is porn staff, not melee clother xD
I don't know for what reasons developers dressed them like whores and sluts... okay, I know for what reasons, but still... ^^"

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post May 11 2016, 15:09
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it's an unwritten law in RPGs - the better the armor for a female avatar, the less it covers

Of course, how can I forgot it, videogames rule #669 - More boobs, less cover, how silly I am? =)
...
Thanks God we have no feminists here xD
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post May 11 2016, 15:20
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QUOTE(f4tal @ May 11 2016, 15:09) *

Of course, how can I forgot it, videogames rule #669 - More boobs, less cover, how silly I am? =)
...
Thanks God we have no feminists here xD

there may be, who knows. but a porn site which hosts themes like e-h does requires a certain mental openness - is it the right term at least?
whatever, this is valid for both feminists and maschilists, i guess

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