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post Apr 30 2016, 15:03
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aaaaaaaaaaaagh, my power armor of protection has no bids. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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post Apr 30 2016, 15:07
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QUOTE(tetron @ Apr 30 2016, 02:22) *

You people are always talking about HV this HV that. Take a break. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Instead, help me with someting: (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'm bored. So I'm coloring a favorite doujinshi of mine.

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Which hair color among of these two looks better?

left (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


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post Apr 30 2016, 15:15
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-dupe post-

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post Apr 30 2016, 15:16
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Apr 30 2016, 17:43) *
sorry? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
I mean same case here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Gotcha.Attached Image

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post Apr 30 2016, 15:21
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Apr 30 2016, 15:03) *

aaaaaaaaaaaagh, my power armor of protection has no bids. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

and my Leg Niflehim has 50k. shitty patch (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

QUOTE(tetron @ Apr 30 2016, 15:16) *

I mean same case here. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

ah, alright. didn't understand it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Apr 30 2016, 15:36
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Apr 30 2016, 15:03) *

aaaaaaaaaaaagh, my power armor of protection has no bids. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Isn't it normal?
I think mag power is never worth 50k unless very low level (300 or lower), of slaughter or savage prefix.

I think it's stranger that someone is actually buying mag grade for 50k or higher when they can probably wait a bit and get a leg at 200-300k max.
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post Apr 30 2016, 15:40
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Apr 30 2016, 15:36) *

Isn't it normal?
I think mag power is never worth 50k unless very low level (300 or lower), of slaughter or savage prefix.

I think it's stranger that someone is actually buying mag grade for 50k or higher when they can probably wait a bit and get a leg at 200-300k max.

and what about leg phase? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Apr 30 2016, 15:43
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Apr 30 2016, 13:36) *
Isn't it normal?
I think mag power is never worth 50k unless very low level (300 or lower), of slaughter or savage prefix.

I think it's stranger that someone is actually buying mag grade for 50k or higher when they can probably wait a bit and get a leg at 200-300k max.
When there's lots of stuff in an auction, that becomes a pretty clear conclusion for those who look at the all the bids overall, but luckily for sellers and shop owners, buyers are frequently not entirely rational or smart (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Apr 30 2016, 15:55
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my drop is bad since that duck above is retired (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

still got leg regularly but most of them is trash / not auctionable (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Apr 30 2016, 15:59
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Apr 30 2016, 15:43) *

When there's lots of stuff in an auction, that becomes a pretty clear conclusion for those who look at the all the bids overall

yep, it's one of the reasons because i'm trying to keep the number of items in my auctions relatively small - otherwise there would be too many conflicts. still not enough though. at this point i think i'll have to think if i want to prioritize clearing inventory or maximizing profit (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Apr 30 2016, 17:04
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QUOTE(tetron @ Apr 30 2016, 07:30) *

You have good eyes. It's Yokorenbo. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

P.S. - My most fav artist is still Tohzai though.

Thought so, thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

By the way, the left one too for me, I forgot to point it out ^^
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post Apr 30 2016, 18:34
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unable to open forum during auction end time (every single week) = never win auction @ good price

life sucks
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post Apr 30 2016, 18:42
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Great to see that someone took my staff in auction (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Happy that it got a decent bid (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Apr 30 2016, 19:20
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About auctions...
Strange thing - checked auction six hour ago, people have totally 260,000 bids for my 4 gears. Have rechecked it now - 560,000 already o_o
Thanks, bidders (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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I think, I will by scavenger 44 soon xD
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post Apr 30 2016, 21:15
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Its always skyrockets in last 30 minutes. There is no much sense to bid earlier, because its anyway rebidding at the end. Only if its near starting price, because i think its fair. I mean lets say person did 50k bid and didnt see any higher until last day. His thought is probably "no one needs this" and skip the end of auc by any reason and then someone sneaky get it in last moment.

Well, its some theoretical example, but id not do bid like that anyway.
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post Apr 30 2016, 22:39
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Its always skyrockets in last 30 minutes.

One day I have entered WTS section near the end of both auctions (wannaf's and aria's) and saw ~200 people at once. For me it was like "wow, whats going on here?" Only later I will know about people's last-hour-agiotage ^^"
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post Apr 30 2016, 23:05
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Apr 30 2016, 21:15) *

Its always skyrockets in last 30 minutes. There is no much sense to bid earlier, because its anyway rebidding at the end. Only if its near starting price, because i think its fair. I mean lets say person did 50k bid and didnt see any higher until last day. His thought is probably "no one needs this" and skip the end of auc by any reason and then someone sneaky get it in last moment.

Well, its some theoretical example, but id not do bid like that anyway.

It's called sniping.
People that hope the guy who offered 50k at the start won't be online at the end of the auction, and offer 100k in the last 15 minutes.
Source: got sniped from a lot of people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (still got the links, around 80% of people aren't using the stuff they bought (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif))
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post May 1 2016, 02:44
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Apr 30 2016, 23:05) *

It's called sniping.
People that hope the guy who offered 50k at the start won't be online at the end of the auction, and offer 100k in the last 15 minutes.
Source: got sniped from a lot of people (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

it happened to me too. nowadays i tend to check items the first day and then connect the last few hours. really no reason to bid meanwhile.

QUOTE(ppp82p @ Apr 30 2016, 23:05) *

(still got the links, around 80% of people aren't using the stuff they bought (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif))

cannot be helped. i'm one of those guys who buy weapons to have a set of everything and in the hopeless hope to IW them and test them sooner or later. though i can say i do such things only with 50~100k worth leftovers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

as for other people, uh... dunno. collectors? showoff? not that it really matters either way, for you it simply means the item is gone *shrugs*
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post May 1 2016, 06:05
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It seems the game play via alt.hv became much smoother for Aisa player now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 1 2016, 03:15) *

Its always skyrockets in last 30 minutes. There is no much sense to bid earlier, because its anyway rebidding at the end. Only if its near starting price, because i think its fair. I mean lets say person did 50k bid and didnt see any higher until last day. His thought is probably "no one needs this" and skip the end of auc by any reason and then someone sneaky get it in last moment.

Well, its some theoretical example, but id not do bid like that anyway.


So I normally make a high bid (1m on the first bid, with 1m increment) on item that I really want. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

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post May 1 2016, 09:12
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I've been thinking off and on about how to incentivize people to [en.wikipedia.org] bid their true value on an item, so that there's less benefit to waiting until the last minute to bid. Problem is, they're all either difficult to implement trustworthily, or strange compared to the way we normally do things. (Precise technical communication is already difficult given the international nature of the forum and different language proficiency levels. In addition, even though the rules have stayed the same for years, a surprisingly large number of invalid and canceled bids are still made today.)

One answer is to have a random ending time inside a set interval, which no one knows in advance. That way, for everyone who truly wants an item, it's in their interest to have bid their highest bid by the start of the interval.

Another answer is for all bids to be made by proxy, so that each item has a public current going price (the price the highest bidder would pay if the auction ended at that moment), and each person interested in the item has a secret submitted max bid. This way, once two people have (secretly) declared a particular max bid, the price immediately rises to the max bid of the second highest bidder (which the price would have eventually risen to anyway once the hard fighting begins in the last 15 minutes, the way we currently do things). In this situation, a party may as well send a max bid close to their true max bid from the beginning, rather than the type of many frequent back-and-fourth bids at the end that happens currently. Problem is, this requires the bidder to trust the proxy system.

Another answer is for parties to be allowed only one bid, which is kept secret until the end of the auction, at which point everyone's bids are revealed at once and the highest bidder pays their bid and wins. So, people have an incentive to bid their true value of the item, and not any more or less.

There are other similar strategies, but they all have the same coordination problem.

Another possible answer, for sniping, is to have a long extend time, such as an hour or a few rather than 15 minutes, decreasing the chances of the person they're sniping losing track. It could also make things much less hectic during the end time.

Another answer for sniping is outbid notifications, but they already exist.

Though, for high-value items, I think most bidders are already smart enough and interested enough to keep from being sniped. It's the low and medium-value items that few pay attention to that are vulnerable to that sort of thing.

If anyone has any ideas, feel free to suggest...
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