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Mar 5 2016, 15:00
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 5 2016, 10:17)  People are so rich now. They are buying HG cloth @ 19k each ....
and Leg Rapiers for 100k or less (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Mar 5 2016, 16:21
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Logii
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Mar 5 2016, 14:57)  can anyone lend me a golden lottery ticket ? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Looking at the GP exchange, a Golden Lottery Ticket seems to be the only thing you could benefit from now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Good luck! I wasted my only Golden Lottery Ticket ages ago for a rather small amount of actual tickets bought. Well, I was low level and didn't have much credits back then. I would probably save it for a more important auction now, but it's not like I was going to buy 20k tickets anyway. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 5 2016, 15:00)  and Leg Rapiers for 100k or less (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) It is an interesting situation indeed. I just bought 50+WD Rapier for 350k, last year I paid double for a Magnificent one. Sure, this time it was a Fiery one and last time an Ethereal one, but overall the prices have gone down significantly. Only for melee equipment and materials though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm starting to wonder what was the cause of this and what will happen with the new patch. I think major factor for the popularity of the current high damage fighting styles is the new potion system of 0.82. Players have been complaining about 1H+Power being too strong and expecting a nerf in the next patch, but I'm afraid that would just result in everyone going for mage, unless it gets nerfed too. Reading between the lines, I would make a prediction that the next HentaiVerse patch is coming a bit after Galleries start supporting .webm file format. I'll just quote myself what I hope from next patch (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 9 2016, 01:17)  I just think it's a little sad that the game has all this variety in gear, but only fraction of it is actually used. Hopefully the next patch can fix the situation a little bit. I hope Tenboro doesn't go full nerfing route though, I would rather have him buff the fighting styles that are not viable at the moment.
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Mar 5 2016, 17:09
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Logii @ Mar 5 2016, 15:21)  Galleries start supporting .webm file format
really? that's a good news (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(Logii @ Mar 5 2016, 15:21)  It is an interesting situation indeed. I just bought 50+WD Rapier for 350k, last year I paid double for a Magnificent one. Sure, this time it was a Fiery one and last time an Ethereal one, but overall the prices have gone down significantly. Only for melee equipment and materials though (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm starting to wonder what was the cause of this and what will happen with the new patch. my wild guess, it's due also to the omfg-run-for-mage-route-quick-or-soon-you-won't-be-able-to-go-peeing-anymore syndrome. it's almost like the community is "if you don't go through mage route past a certain level you're dead in this game". i don't know whether this is true or not since i've always been a melee, surely they are very effective. but this is true only if you have great gears to begin with and forge them a bunch - mind you, none of them is cheap at all. and if you grind prof, which may be a pain up in the ass. with all this being said, mage is very effective. personally, with all those credits and attention required i expect for a mage to do at least a barbeque and a cake while battling for me to consider it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Logii @ Mar 5 2016, 15:21)  what will happen with the new patch. I think major factor for the popularity of the current high damage fighting styles is the new potion system of 0.82. Players have been complaining about 1H+Power being too strong and expecting a nerf in the next patch, but I'm afraid that would just result in everyone going for mage, unless it gets nerfed too.
not sure. two other big factors that kept me for switching to mage were: 1. i'm not a hardcore player. with my current builds i can do everything i need. the only problem is how much time i need for that, but first priority is "if". 2. what's the point in throwing your credits out of the window when you know from the start the next patch can make you cry? we knew that 0.84 patch would have affected mitigations since a while ago, so most likely a big deal. but what exactly does this mean? PA nerf? then rapiers will become less viable, and maybe other hybrid styles will emerge. mobs will die in more time, thus they will become stronger in proportion? 1Hers won't have that big of a problem provided they kill magical mobs first - as it has always been; Shade DW will have to be cautious about piercing attacks, as it has always been; mages will have to be even more cautious about being groped by a mob. i'd feel sorry for all the people who spoen tons of credits, but seeing how economy is going actually i wouldn't see anything bad if tenboro balanced the game a bit - ie, by boosting melees attacks. or more likely by nerfing mages firepower. QUOTE(Logii @ Mar 5 2016, 15:21)  I'll just quote myself what I hope from next patch (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) i agree. currently the vast majority of the global equip pool that are considered absolutely not useful for battle. being it because actually useless, because of level-bound system... whatever, salvage percentage is just too high. at least a while ago there was the chance to keep certain drops because odd enough (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Mar 5 2016, 18:15
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Logii
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 5 2016, 17:09)  really? that's a good news (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I don't think Tenboro added this for nothing: QUOTE(Tenboro @ Oct 31 2015, 13:21)  - Added mime-type for webm.
Also why I think the patch is coming after that: QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jan 28 2016, 01:38)  It's not like I've forgotten about it, but it's mostly on hold until I finish some large (as well as both time-consuming and time-sensitive) work on Galleries.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 5 2016, 17:09)  my wild guess, it's due also to the omfg-run-for-mage-route-quick-or-soon-you-won't-be-able-to-go-peeing-anymore syndrome. it's almost like the community is "if you don't go through mage route past a certain level you're dead in this game". i don't know whether this is true or not since i've always been a melee, surely they are very effective. but this is true only if you have great gears to begin with and forge them a bunch - mind you, none of them is cheap at all. and if you grind prof, which may be a pain up in the ass. with all this being said, mage is very effective. personally, with all those credits and attention required i expect for a mage to do at least a barbeque and a cake while battling for me to consider it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) not sure. two other big factors that kept me for switching to mage were: 1. i'm not a hardcore player. with my current builds i can do everything i need. the only problem is how much time i need for that, but first priority is "if". 2. what's the point in throwing your credits out of the window when you know from the start the next patch can make you cry? I know many players like to use the expensive gear and more attention needed for mages argument, but I don't think those are so simple things. Most of the cost in gear comes from the bloated prices of the materials that come from the high demand, which is a result of the current HV balancing. If the balancing was tipped other way, for example in light armor, you might be paying the same amount for High-Grade Leather and Shade Fragments as you do for cloth armor materials now. Attention needed for mage style is probably higher than for melee at the moment, but still it can be learned too. When I changed to Power a while ago I had to learn the rhythm for that play style to make it as fast as possible. I'm sure you can learn to play even Imperil style mage pretty efficiently with time. With mage clear times being half the time or even faster than the best melee sets, you need to pay attention way less time. Also if attention was the only thing, why isn't full Shielding Plate 1H more popular? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Because clearing time is a factor too. I agree with the arguments to some extent though, I just think they are mostly a result of the current HV balancing. My reasons for going with melee are mostly the same, I have always been melee player and I like it, also I don't have the motivation and credits to switch to mage at the moment. Melee is "good enough" for me, maybe because I haven't tried mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) It is true that there is a risk in spending credits in gear that might get nerfed the next day, but unless you are saving them for 1.0 (or whatever the "final" version is) or saving them to spend on Galleries, I don't see a big reason to hoard huge sums of credits. Or maybe it's just cool to be rich? QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 5 2016, 17:09)  we knew that 0.84 patch would have affected mitigations since a while ago, so most likely a big deal. but what exactly does this mean? PA nerf? then rapiers will become less viable, and maybe other hybrid styles will emerge. mobs will die in more time, thus they will become stronger in proportion? 1Hers won't have that big of a problem provided they kill magical mobs first - as it has always been; Shade DW will have to be cautious about piercing attacks, as it has always been; mages will have to be even more cautious about being groped by a mob. i'd feel sorry for all the people who spoen tons of credits, but seeing how economy is going actually i wouldn't see anything bad if tenboro balanced the game a bit - ie, by boosting melees attacks. or more likely by nerfing mages firepower.
I have honestly no idea what kind of mitigation changes are coming or what are the changes going to be in general. I'll just hold on to the hope I said before, maybe the balance will magically appear. Speaking of PA proc and the possible nerf, I hope the issue could be solved more like this: QUOTE(Logii @ Oct 7 2015, 17:21)  To be honest I think PA is too strong compared to BW and perhaps BW should be buffed, it is the most common proc too since there are more weapons that proc BW. Assuming the wiki is right and the formula for BW damage is "Damage done = Bleeding % * base damage * Stack * 0.4", it would be easy to buff just by changing the last variable to higher number, right?
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Mar 5 2016, 18:45
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skillchip
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QUOTE(Logii @ Mar 5 2016, 16:15)  I have honestly no idea what kind of mitigation changes are coming or what are the changes going to be in general. I'll just hold on to the hope I said before, maybe the balance will magically appear. Speaking of PA proc and the possible nerf, I hope the issue could be solved more like this:
Hopefully some fun math (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 6 2016, 02:51
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Colman
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 5 2016, 23:09)  i agree. currently the vast majority of the global equip pool that are considered absolutely not useful for battle. being it because actually useless, because of level-bound system... whatever, salvage percentage is just too high. at least a while ago there was the chance to keep certain drops because odd enough (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) The salvage/bazaar ratio is always 99.999%+, even in older patchs. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Mar 6 2016, 14:01
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Fap.Fap
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and of course a full upgraded Mage wins the heavy armour. ayayay
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Mar 6 2016, 14:34
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Colman
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Mar 6 2016, 20:01)  and of course a full upgraded Mage wins the heavy armour. ayayay
It is not true when I was active. Melee can play clear PFest faster than mage. Not sure about the past few month.
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Mar 6 2016, 14:59
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2016, 15:34)  It is not true when I was active. Melee can play clear PFest faster than mage. Not sure about the past few month.
maybe with a 2H weapon or Niten in the past? I have high defenses for my level but, my damage as 1H isnt high enough to kill the mobs fast enough in a PFFEST
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Mar 6 2016, 17:41
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Colman
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Mar 6 2016, 20:59)  maybe with a 2H weapon or Niten in the past? I have high defenses for my level but, my damage as 1H isnt high enough to kill the mobs fast enough in a PFFEST
You sure it is attack, but not block chance? From my memory, 1H with 55% block and ~70 burden should be able to clear DwD at your level. The attack power doesn't matter at the moment as you can keep using mana potions. BTW, it seem the equipment price drop a lot compare to last year. A good force shield would cost 5~6m at least. This post has been edited by Colman: Mar 6 2016, 17:43
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Mar 6 2016, 17:46
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2016, 22:41)  You sure it is attack, but not block chance? From my memory, 1H with 55% block and ~70 burden should be able to clear DwD at your level. The attack power doesn't matter at the moment as you can keep using mana potions.
BTW, it seem the equipment price drop a lot compare to last year. A good force shield would cost 5~6m at least.
mage have unlimited mana & sp now , so mage is always faster (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Yup , even very high WD rapier is cheaper now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) only radiant phase that still very expensive (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Good thing for poor player like me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Mar 6 2016, 17:48
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2016, 18:41)  You sure it is attack, but not block chance? From my memory, 1H with 55% block and ~70 burden should be able to clear DwD at your level. The attack power doesn't matter at the moment as you can keep using mana potions.
BTW, it seem the equipment price drop a lot compare to last year. A good force shield would cost 5~6m at least.
why DWD now? at first it was PFFEST ^^ I have 60,1% block right now.. DWD was never a problem
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Mar 6 2016, 17:49
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Colman
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Mar 6 2016, 23:46)  mage have unlimited mana & sp now , so mage is always faster (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Yup , even very high WD rapier is cheaper now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) only radiant phase that still very expensive (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Good thing for poor player like me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Although you keep saying you are poor. I do believe 20-30m should not be a problem for you. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Mar 6 2016, 23:48)  why DWD now? at first it was PFFEST ^^
I have 60,1% block right now.. DWD was never a problem
PFest is very hard for my holy set. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I try it today and found it I cannot reach round 100.......... My outdated 1H set should be able to reach 500+. BTW, is it hard to reach 70% block now? Perhaps I will try later (next week). This post has been edited by Colman: Mar 6 2016, 17:53
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Mar 6 2016, 17:58
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tetron
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 4 2016, 20:18)  It is times to spam some post here. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Same case here. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 4 2016, 20:52)  I am still inactive so my credit balance keep going up. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Same case here. [2] (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Mar 4 2016, 21:16)  never get good drop now since dec 2015 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I retired after dec 2015. Did your luck retire alongside me? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 4 2016, 22:54)  never got good drops since Jan 2007. do i win something? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Yes, you win the "Persistant Pester" award for STILL playing HV. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ Mar 5 2016, 03:29)  1 per day is sufficient. Wait wait wait. Isn't it 1 per month? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(Logii @ Mar 5 2016, 19:51)  -snip- Why you are assuming that players will always keep buying the same stuff over and over again? That's retarded. People who pay high price will eventually settle with a satisfactory set, don't you think? And with them not buying anymore, of course the price will fall. Or, they may have retired already. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Mar 6 2016, 18:07
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Mar 6 2016, 22:48)  why DWD now? at first it was PFFEST ^^
I have 60,1% block right now.. DWD was never a problem
ADB will decrease your cleartime in PFUfest but block & PMI is better thing to upgrade for deep fest , fap (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You need haste too for this deep fest rounds (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Void domain can clear it without haste but you need to remember that he is one of the best 1H in HV with fully forged leg slaughters set (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Last time I doing PF fest regular in 0.82 , not now due to crystal pack price , crystal drop nerf and ED price skyrocket (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Not that hard with just my all mag slaughters set and no jug potency in 0.82 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2016, 22:49)  Although you keep saying you are poor. I do believe 20-30m should not be a problem for you. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) PFest is very hard for my holy set. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I try it today and found it I cannot reach round 100.......... My outdated 1H set should be able to reach 500 . nah , my current credits balance not even reach 1M now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Why do you think I have alot of credits (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) You need very great force shield or buckler of barrier plus very high lvl for reach that 70% , colman (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Mar 6 2016, 18:14
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Mar 6 2016, 18:29
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2016, 16:41)  BTW, it seem the equipment price drop a lot compare to last year. A good force shield would cost 5~6m at least.
way less. Shield offer is quite high nowadays, and they come with many PAB combos due to AGI. depending on what you're willing to give up (suffix? prefix? STR/DEX/END combo?) you may be able to purchase a very-good-block force shield for 500k or less. QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2016, 16:49)  Although you keep saying you are poor. I do believe 20-30m should not be a problem for you. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) see it? even colman-senpai said it! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 6 2016, 16:49)  BTW, is it hard to reach 70% block now? Perhaps I will try later (next week).
QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Mar 6 2016, 17:07)  You need very great force shield or buckler of barrier plus very high lvl for reach that 70% , colman (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) yep. 70% is very high of a value. just to give you an example, back then my shield (0.83 patch) was quite close to LMax and with maxed prof and 25 forge level i'm barely at 60%. i guess you will need BOTH high level and max forge to reach that goal - if even! basically you're saying you are able to block (2 hits out of 3) ~ (3 hits out of 4) QUOTE(tetron @ Mar 6 2016, 16:58)  Yes, you win the "Persistant Pester" award for STILL playing HV. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) yay! at least i won something! i feel like Di Caprio at this year's Oscar Awards! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) i'd really like to thank... my fans, my buddies and all the people who supported me. without you all it wouldn't have been possible! many thanks to you all! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Mar 6 2016, 19:00
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(tetron @ Mar 6 2016, 17:31)  are you saying my face is like my ass? i mean, i'm not the most beautiful person in this world and i know it, but it seems... like... a bit big of a word t me, yep... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Mar 6 2016, 19:18
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 6 2016, 22:30)  are you saying my face is like my ass? i mean, i'm not the most beautiful person in this world and i know it, but it seems... like... a bit big of a word t me, yep... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Go play "Boob and Soul". (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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