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Aug 18 2015, 11:12
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SPoison
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 02:03)  That seems too easy, isn't it? But there is a major problem with that that situation: New Galleries aren't as frequent as that (I'm sorry about the 2/3 minutes. It's more like ~5 minutes in average.). To rate that many galleries, you need to constantly refresh the homepage of the Gallery site for hours. Once a new Gallery appears, a race against time begins. If you're not fast enough, you're out. Also, not every gallery have enough content to let you tag even 5 tags. So the 33 number, is most of time, higher.
Sitting in front of the homepage doing refresh every few minutes for hours seems highly suspicious. Are there any people retarded enough to do that?
I did it for a while, but I didn't have any time to play HV so I quit but once you know all the tags and which are the easiest you can do a new gallery in 30 seconds and move on. But new galleries aren't the only way to do this, you can find the new tags and tag old galleries, but its very time consuming.
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Aug 18 2015, 11:39
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danixxx
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Aug 17 2015, 16:18)  Snip
Thanks so i have a bit more than 30k now. Still room for improvments with peerless radiant uh ...
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Aug 18 2015, 12:03
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tetron
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 30-July 14

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QUOTE(SPoison @ Aug 18 2015, 14:42)  I did it for a while, but I didn't have any time to play HV so I quit but once you know all the tags and which are the easiest you can do a new gallery in 30 seconds and move on. But new galleries aren't the only way to do this, you can find the new tags and tag old galleries, but its very time consuming.
Yeah but only the higher scoring tags are given priority in point generation. Older Galleries usually consist of several solid border tags. So adding a new one seems like in vein.
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Aug 18 2015, 12:10
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SPoison
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 03:03)  Yeah but only the higher scoring tags are given priority in point generation. Older Galleries usually consist of several solid border tags. So adding a new one seems like in vein.
Pretty sure that's how binglo does it. And I am not sure what that means but I THINK it means if you do 10 tags in one gallery on the top 5 will count towards you points.
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Aug 18 2015, 12:23
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tetron
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QUOTE(SPoison @ Aug 18 2015, 15:40)  Pretty sure that's how binglo does it.
Seriously??? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) QUOTE(SPoison @ Aug 18 2015, 15:40)  And I am not sure what that means but I THINK it means if you do 10 tags in one gallery on the top 5 will count towards you points.
Doesn't that lower the accuracy? To add/vote 5+ tags? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Aug 18 2015, 12:25
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holy_demon
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I once got into the top 5 daily just for tagging nonstop in 1-2 hours. Fighting for the very top spot might be impossible, but if you understand how tagging works (basically avoiding hidden traps and exploit "safe" tags) to not lose accuracy, it shouldn't be too hard to be in the top 10.
It also helps iF you join a tagging "team", which watch how other team was doing things. There's a lot of unspoken rule and criteria not mentioned in the wiki.
This post has been edited by holy_demon: Aug 18 2015, 12:31
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Aug 18 2015, 12:36
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tetron
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Aug 18 2015, 15:55)  I once got into the top 5 daily just for tagging nonstop in 1-2 hours. Fighting for the very top spot might be impossible, but if you understand how tagging works (basically avoiding hidden traps and exploit "safe" tags) to not lose accuracy, it shouldn't be too hard to be in the top 10.
Yep, it shouldn't be, but only for daily Toplist, and only for sometimes. But to stay in the top 10 of even Monthly Toplist... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) Tagging the "safe" ones are too easy and takes little to no time, but it also easily becomes the most time consuming, since they yield only 1 points, and you'll have to tag a hell lot of them to get some decent amount of poitnt, resulting in time consumption. Doing such things daily... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
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Aug 18 2015, 12:36
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tetron
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Aug 18 2015, 15:55)  It also helps iF you join a tagging "team", which watch how other team was doing things. There's a lot of unspoken rule and criteria not mentioned in the wiki.
Didn't know about this. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) This post has been edited by tetron: Aug 18 2015, 12:36
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Aug 18 2015, 12:45
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 20:36)  Didn't know about this. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Well or you could stay independent and ask questions in irc (it's the meeting ground of all the big wigs), then pm them to discuss further (though a lot won't respond). You'll eventually figure that mods and active taggers do things very differently. You need to avoid, or at least, mitigate their landmines. It's pretty much politics (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Also, killing tags (correctly) gives you tagging score, too! So you can benefit from nuking those who step on landmines! This post has been edited by holy_demon: Aug 18 2015, 12:48
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Aug 18 2015, 12:57
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kamio11
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 10:36)  Didn't know about this. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Many taggers and renamers coordinate on the EH IRC channel, and the vigilante forum when needed. If you have questions, unusual situations that need a quick ruling, or need more power to nuke something, IRC is a good place to be. And yes, a lot of tagging is actually cleaning up old galleries. It is quite time-consuming. Finally, if your primary purpose in tagging (or doing anything else that gets you on the toplists) is the exp bonus or the awards, please don't bother. Do it to help the site. Cleaning up after the idiots who repeatedly screw up because they're too eager to get points instead of taking the time to do it properly is a pain. Edit: And yes, spend a lot of time figuring out how the people who are actually good taggers tag, as opposed to the people who just tag a lot. Lurking in the vigilante is a good start. Screwing up too much does lead to tagging bans (usually temporary, because Binglo is nice). And read the wiki. Repeatedly. This post has been edited by kamio11: Aug 18 2015, 13:00
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Aug 18 2015, 13:19
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tetron
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ Aug 18 2015, 16:15)  Well or you could stay independent and ask questions in irc (it's the meeting ground of all the big wigs), then pm them to discuss further (though a lot won't respond). You'll eventually figure that mods and active taggers do things very differently. You need to avoid, or at least, mitigate their landmines. It's pretty much politics (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Also, killing tags (correctly) gives you tagging score, too! So you can benefit from nuking those who step on landmines! Hmm. I'd like to stay independent, actually. QUOTE(kamio11 @ Aug 18 2015, 16:27)  Many taggers and renamers coordinate on the EH IRC channel, and the vigilante forum when needed. If you have questions, unusual situations that need a quick ruling, or need more power to nuke something, IRC is a good place to be.
Guess I need to visit the IRC channel first to get more info before deciding on a strategy. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) QUOTE(kamio11 @ Aug 18 2015, 16:27)  And yes, a lot of tagging is actually cleaning up old galleries. It is quite time-consuming.
That can't be done by single individuals. So this is one of those situations where Groups come in? QUOTE(kamio11 @ Aug 18 2015, 16:27)  Finally, if your primary purpose in tagging (or doing anything else that gets you on the toplists) is the exp bonus or the awards, please don't bother. Do it to help the site. Cleaning up after the idiots who repeatedly screw up because they're too eager to get points instead of taking the time to do it properly is a pain.
"Do it to help the site" - (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Well, my target IS the EXP bonus, but I don't want to do half-ass work. So I'm interested in knowing how things are done effectively, efficiently, and without screwing up. I'm eager to get points too, but I won't do it if I can't understand how to do it efficiently. After all, what's the merit in shooting your own foot? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(kamio11 @ Aug 18 2015, 16:27)  Edit: And yes, spend a lot of time figuring out how the people who are actually good taggers tag, as opposed to the people who just tag a lot. Lurking in the vigilante is a good start. Screwing up too much does lead to tagging bans (usually temporary, because Binglo is nice). And read the wiki. Repeatedly.
I will roger that. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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Aug 18 2015, 14:58
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VriskaSerket
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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Joined: 27-December 08

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CODE You are currently: #331 on the Uploader All-Time toplist #132 on the Uploader Last Year toplist #46 on the Uploader Last Month toplist #354 on the Tagging 2015 toplist #131 on the Tagging August toplist #725 on the Cleanup All-Time toplist #404 on the Cleanup 2015 toplist #87 on the Cleanup August toplist no awards at all and dont care about that so much. ps: (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Aug 18 2015, 15:18
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kamio11
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 11:19)  That can't be done by single individuals. So this is one of those situations where Groups come in?
If you mean that it takes more power than any one person has, yes. Usual approach is to request help on IRC and/or the appropriate vigi thread. I usually work by artist/group, and that typically takes a few hours, but sometimes much longer if they release in obscure conventions or clarification is needed. Or someone needs to check thousands of images for presence. QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 11:19)  "Do it to help the site" - (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Well, my target IS the EXP bonus, but I don't want to do half-ass work. So I'm interested in knowing how things are done effectively, efficiently, and without screwing up. I'm eager to get points too, but I won't do it if I can't understand how to do it efficiently. After all, what's the merit in shooting your own foot? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I don't think there's any "best way to tag" guides (aside from the wiki of course (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)) since it's very situation-dependent. A good way to start is probably following the vigi threads for tag nuking and watching your tag accuracy. At a minimum, your started accuracy should be above 80% and your voted accuracy above 90%, but I think most good taggers are above 95% on both. This implies that a good way to start is voting on tags until you understand them, then starting them. (If you have no accuracy yet, you haven't tagged enough.)
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Aug 18 2015, 15:32
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(VriskaSerket @ Aug 18 2015, 20:58)  CODE You are currently: #331 on the Uploader All-Time toplist #132 on the Uploader Last Year toplist #46 on the Uploader Last Month toplist #354 on the Tagging 2015 toplist #131 on the Tagging August toplist #725 on the Cleanup All-Time toplist #404 on the Cleanup 2015 toplist #87 on the Cleanup August toplist no awards at all and dont care about that so much. ps: (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Just do what you like (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I run f@h a waste of elec for e-points (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Aug 18 2015, 16:12
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tetron
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QUOTE(VriskaSerket @ Aug 18 2015, 18:28)  no awards at all and dont care about that so much. ps: (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Just checked your Galleries. You have quite some Pony collections out there. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(kamio11 @ Aug 18 2015, 18:48)  If you mean that it takes more power than any one person has, yes. Usual approach is to request help on IRC and/or the appropriate vigi thread. I usually work by artist/group, and that typically takes a few hours, but sometimes much longer if they release in obscure conventions or clarification is needed. Or someone needs to check thousands of images for presence.
How often do you guys encounter such situations? I mean, bad/wrong tag? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(kamio11 @ Aug 18 2015, 18:48)  I don't think there's any "best way to tag" guides (aside from the wiki of course (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)) since it's very situation-dependent. A good way to start is probably following the vigi threads for tag nuking and watching your tag accuracy. At a minimum, your started accuracy should be above 80% and your voted accuracy above 90%, but I think most good taggers are above 95% on both. This implies that a good way to start is voting on tags until you understand them, then starting them. (If you have no accuracy yet, you haven't tagged enough.) My Tagging History says I have a Tagcount of 397, and still no Accuracy. How much more do I need to Tag before Accuracy begins? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Two more questions: 1. If a new Tag is added, which is legit, does not have any similarity with the Title, and did NOT get ANY vote, will it get 3 points? 2. Wiki says that a max of 5 Tags can get points from a single Gallery. Are those "5 Tags" per individual? or are they for everyone? I mean: Suppose a gallery has 10 Tags, and there are only two Taggers. Both taggers added 5 separate Tags each. If all the Tags are legit, will they both get points for every Tag they added? QUOTE(Void Domain @ Aug 18 2015, 19:02)  I run f@h a waste of elec for e-points (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Only if I had that much net speed... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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Aug 18 2015, 16:27
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Aug 18 2015, 04:22)  You dont need net speed, only computing power (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I run Hentaiverse with a 295x2 because I like to live on the edge.
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Aug 18 2015, 16:38
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Aug 18 2015, 22:27)  I run Hentaiverse with a 295x2 because I like to live on the edge.
You beat me, I run with a 980 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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Aug 18 2015, 16:39
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kamio11
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 14:12)  How often do you guys encounter such situations? I mean, bad/wrong tag? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I would guess a majority of galleries have at least one incorrect tag, but I don't have any data at the moment to back that up. Older galleries are especially bad. QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 14:12)  My Tagging History says I have a Tagcount of 397, and still no Accuracy. How much more do I need to Tag before Accuracy begins? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I don't recall for sure, but I think it's a thousand tags. There may also be a delay of a few days, as with the tagging toplist. QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 18 2015, 14:12)  Two more questions:
1. If a new Tag is added, which is legit, does not have any similarity with the Title, and did NOT get ANY vote, will it get 3 points?
2. Wiki says that a max of 5 Tags can get points from a single Gallery. Are those "5 Tags" per individual? or are they for everyone? I mean: Suppose a gallery has 10 Tags, and there are only two Taggers. Both taggers added 5 separate Tags each. If all the Tags are legit, will they both get points for every Tag they added?
1. Adding a tag is voting on it; you are just the first person voting on it. I assume you mean no one else votes on it, in which case, yes, you will get three points. 2. It applies per-user. For any amount of tags you add to a gallery, the five highest-scoring ones are counted for you. In your example, each tagger would get points for every tag the added.
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