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I think that whole buying your way to victory thing was added to make HV even more of a credit sink.

Training costs will always be the biggest blackhole for credits. With the drop in cost for those items it wouldn't even cost very must to be able to do RoB at lower levels.

It seems to me that I've had fewer item drops per IW/arena, its just the last round that you get more and that doesn't make up for the rest of the run.

100C for Infusion of Gaia now
500C is what it use to be
I get +8% so its 108 and 540, I use to sell them once I got +100
10,800 vs 54,000

That 8% use to be worth something (not counting the Hath it takes to get it)

selling Items has been an easy way for anyone to make credits. all it takes is time grinding and any low level can start getting credits. while doing that they can get Artifacts that could be sold to users for 9-10k and not 2k to the shop like so many people still seem to like doing. the trophies gained from the 220+ arenas is where some high levels spend what time they have. Too bad its not worth the time/effort for the rewards.

This post has been edited by 4EverLost: Oct 29 2010, 03:58

The problem is not the credits.
The problem is that every accomplishment is tied to credits.
Except possibly Battletoads clears, but those can be bought with scrolls of life.

Infinite scrolls of the gods (and they are infinite since you can fricking buy them), means it's impossible to fail any RoB or arena challenge, as long as you're not hopelessly unprepared.

Hold on a sec what is this about infinite Scroll of Gods? I just checked the Bazaar and all the Scrolls of Avatar and Gods disappeared! What the hell happened?

They did lower the prices for some of the Special Items and Mana Elixirs but at 500C/Mana Elixir or 1K-4K for the Special Items its not like I can buy 1000 of them with pocket change. At least for me the items are still pricey to buy in large quantity anyway. And my Mithra flower trophies still sell for 200 each so I don't see the trophies worth it to sell yet. Actually since Artifact prices appear unaffected by the Great Nerf (except they drop a lot less from what you told me), they're probably more valuable than ever...

I suppose the best way Tenboro can compensate for the lowered trophy drops and give you the incentive not to sell them would be to "boost" the Shrine's holy power and get Snowflake to give you MUCH better rewards (Elementalist, phase, etc) from each trophy instead of 1 jewel per every 1000 stones. I suspect from how Tenboro is trying to discourage getting rich from Item/Equip sales or Trophy spamming he made some kind of "secret" new method he wants you to follow to make good money from now on. Of course this is just speculation but are you sure the Shrine still gives crappy rewards as before or maybe they give much better stuff to make the rarer trophies more valuable (it seems trophies drop almost as rare as artifacts now).

Even if this is wrong I still got a feeling Tenboro left open some kind of hidden method to make good creds or perhaps those chaos tokens or something else gives you 1 free training rank or something. After all artifacts give AP so maybe training can get a freebie level up too.

Hold on a sec what is this about infinite Scroll of Gods? I just checked the Bazaar and all the Scrolls of Avatar and Gods disappeared! What the hell happened?

They did lower the prices for some of the Special Items and Mana Elixirs but at 500C/Mana Elixir or 1K-4K for the Special Items its not like I can buy 1000 of them with pocket change. At least for me the items are still pricey to buy in large quantity anyway. And my Mithra flower trophies still sell for 200 each so I don't see the trophies worth it to sell yet. Actually since Artifact prices appear unaffected by the Great Nerf (except they drop a lot less from what you told me), they're probably more valuable than ever...

I suppose the best way Tenboro can compensate for the lowered trophy drops and give you the incentive not to sell them would be to "boost" the Shrine's holy power and get Snowflake to give you MUCH better rewards (Elementalist, phase, etc) from each trophy instead of 1 jewel per every 1000 stones. I suspect from how Tenboro is trying to discourage getting rich from Item/Equip sales or Trophy spamming he made some kind of "secret" new method he wants you to follow to make good money from now on. Of course this is just speculation but are you sure the Shrine still gives crappy rewards as before or maybe they give much better stuff to make the rarer trophies more valuable (it seems trophies drop almost as rare as artifacts now).

Even if this is wrong I still got a feeling Tenboro left open some kind of hidden method to make good creds or perhaps those chaos tokens or something else gives you 1 free training rank or something. After all artifacts give AP so maybe training can get a freebie level up too.

If he actually removed those scrolls from the shop, good. At least it means you'd actually have to save them up a bit before you could waltz through whatever RoB challenge.

Legendary trophy (the ones that actually matter) sale prices went up. I think. He said he increased the loot quality bonus for the lower-mid end trophies, but it couldn't have been by much. I still get crudes from boss trophies for example. Getting more phase and crap probably won't ever happen. And it didn't happen this time as far as I can tell.

Free training rank? Never happen.

Secret method to gain more credits? Hahahahahahaha.

I suppose the best way Tenboro can compensate for the lowered trophy drops and give you the incentive not to sell them would be to "boost" the Shrine's holy power and get Snowflake to give you MUCH better rewards (Elementalist, phase, etc) from each trophy instead of 1 jewel per every 1000 stones.

Better pieces aren't going to net us more credits because equipment as a whole sells for much less than before. And if so many "great" pieces drop, they will lose all value to players because they'll be so prevalent.

I hope chaos tokens will be some kind of arena or grindfest with only bosses,legends,etc

I hope chaos tokens will be some kind of arena or grindfest with only bosses,legends,etc

That already exists. It's called every arena after 200. And guess what happened to those? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Legendary trophy (the ones that actually matter) sale prices went up. I think.

Nope. I don't know about the God trophies, but the boss/legendary/tree trophies still have all the same sale price. In fact the legendary trophies themselves are more valuable that almost every equipment piece I've redeemed them for, so expect to see them showing up in the bazaar.

Secret method to gain more credits? Hahahahahahaha.

What does this guy think was just removed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

I hope chaos tokens will be some kind of arena or grindfest with only bosses,legends,etc

I hope chaos tokens let me kick tenboro in the balls through my internet connection.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Oct 29 2010, 04:03

I find it funny that every update where the high level people are screaming that we took it hard with no lube are the updates that low level people love.

I find it funny that every update where the high level people are screaming that we took it hard with no lube are the updates that low level people love.

Its because they can't appreciate how hard it'll be for them when they get here. They just think that since it doesn't directly affect them, it must be good. They don't quite understand that HV is built on our shoulders.

EDIT:
I just realized I caught up with Boggy. Not been playing much?

This post has been edited by cmal: Oct 29 2010, 04:06

I find it funny that every update where the high level people are screaming that we took it hard with no lube are the updates that low level people love.

In this case though, they got screwed too. It might take them a while to realize it though.

EDIT:
I just realized I caught up with Boggy. Not been playing much?

Nah. I had been doing legendary slogs and a few IWs a day for awhile.
Not much EXP in either.

In this case though, they got screwed too. It might take them a while to realize it though.

They always got screwed when we did. They just didn't know it.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Oct 29 2010, 04:09

That already exists. It's called every arena after 200. And guess what happened to those? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

oh right ; - ;
meh, i miss the short time when mutant peackoks dropped 50 credits xD

Nah. I had been doing legendary slogs and a few IWs a day for awhile.
Not much EXP in either.
They always got screwed when we did. They just didn't know it.

Yeah I agree with you on IWs now. I don't really feel like doing the 1000+ rounds everyday if items and stuff sell for pennies. But what about artifacts? Do you think players are still willing to pay 9-10K/artifact or is it going to crash down like the good equipment pieces? From what I've seen the only thing untouched are the artifacts so if they're still worth 10K like before that is the only major incentive to still do the rounds from what I figure.

Nah. I had been doing legendary slogs and a few IWs a day for awhile.
Not much EXP in either.

I only do a few IWs and I don't think my XP bonus is as high as yours.

Yeah I agree with you on IWs now. I don't really feel like doing the 1000+ rounds everyday if items and stuff sell for pennies. But what about artifacts? Do you think players are still willing to pay 9-10K/artifact or is it going to crash down like the good equipment pieces? From what I've seen the only thing untouched are the artifacts so if they're still worth 10K like before that is the only major incentive to still do the rounds from what I figure.

*about artifacts* :that will depend on how will the price of hath change with this update and if there's people with lots of credits wanting to get more AP (I mean when the people with higher levels with lots of credits get enough AP points and stats, artifacts will be useless to them except for hath... so demand would be less and the price could get lower)

This post has been edited by AglowGolem: Oct 29 2010, 04:29

If the high level players can't farm loot as easily, wouldn't that make the prices more expensive for low level players? Meaning it will be harder for lower level players to buy good gear. Not to mention that training will now become scarce, all the lower level people won't be able to train as easily now.

Oh oh. I think they're starting to get it. Earlier than I thought too.

If the high level players can't farm loot as easily, wouldn't that make the prices more expensive for low level players? Meaning it will be harder for lower level players to buy good gear. Not to mention that training will now become scarce, all the lower level people won't be able to train as easily now.

There is no need to buy new things now, monster were nerfed and they are pretty easy, and with that infinite scroll thing and invulnerable for 5 turns, you can kill everything you want...

But the training is what totally suck... in the spam haus, the thread that ask what you are training... i wont be posting there for a long time or will just posting "Saving money"

with that infinite scroll thing and invulnerable for 5 turns, you can kill everything you want...

That's IF you can find enough Scrolls to be able to use them indefinitely. It seems like the shop script has been reconfigured to slurp them up quickly so people can't buy them. And its not like they dropped like candy, either.