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Jul 22 2015, 01:06
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 21 2015, 22:58)  Maybe I'll swap shortly to power slaughter just to test if it's worth or not. It's worth it. At your level, you could probably even drop all defensive Plate for Power and still stay alive without much trouble. Power Slaughter is very expensive, so even if you have to settle for Balance or Protection or Warding, it'll probably be fine, especially given the non-Slaughter buff in 0.82.
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Jul 22 2015, 01:46
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reinz springfield
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 21 2015, 21:59)  And anyone is playing PFUDOR with <2.9k ADB like me? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Cat is 13k+ already by the way. QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 21 2015, 22:58)  Exactly, shielding plate and a shitty weapon but hey, 58.1% block, not bad at my level.
Maybe I'll swap shortly to power slaughter just to test if it's worth or not.
Imho,shielding plate is not worth the block that it has.Considering if you really only have 2.9k ADB,the shield plate is a waste since you only have 58,1 block,might as well as using full power set.Unless a piece of shielding plate give something like 10% block each,i dont even think its worth to be used as mixed part of power/shield combination. CMIIWThis post has been edited by reinz springfield: Jul 22 2015, 01:49
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Jul 22 2015, 02:09
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(reinz springfield @ Jul 21 2015, 23:46)  Unless a piece of shielding plate give something like 10% block each,i dont even think its worth to be used as mixed part of power/shield combination. It depends on the player's level and what sort of battles they play. Players under level 280-ish probably won't have the innate tankyness to survive PFUDOR without at least some defensive gear. If I were to start again, then if I could, I would definitely use some Shielding Plate of Protection from the start of using plate (level 150ish) until level 280-ish. Assuming, of course, I could find some in shops or have it drop for me. It can give you the defensive edge needed to survive PFUDOR, and can compensate for a player's lack of level/proficiency/Juggernaut. Past that range of levels though, you're right, such defense isn't necessary in ordinary battles, at least for 1h, so a player might as well go for Power / Power Slaughter if they can find it. The exception is Grindfest, for which Shielding and/or Protection Plate can be worth the loss in ADB, depending on how often a player needs to Cure - this is true at any level, if a player is playing a high enough difficulty. 0.82 Shielding gear in particular is quite good, since block chance is much higher than in 0.81.
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Jul 22 2015, 08:11
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 22 2015, 00:58)  Exactly, shielding plate and a shitty weapon but hey, 58.1% block, not bad at my level.
Maybe I'll swap shortly to power slaughter just to test if it's worth or not.
your block is higher than mine (53%), just FYI. but my ADB is double (6.1k) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) i guess you should really drop a few shieldings and replace them with power, you'll see a good decrease on clear time
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Jul 22 2015, 11:54
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tetron
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What was actually written: CODE Received a Binding of Isaac. Received a Binding of Negation. And what I read: CODE Received a Binding of Isaac. Received a Binding of Newton. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Jul 22 2015, 18:52
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Darukunesu
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jul 22 2015, 05:27)  time to use power (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 22 2015, 08:11)  i guess you should really drop a few shieldings and replace them with power, you'll see a good decrease on clear time
Yeah, I'll look into it, I have been wearing shielding plate for ~100 levels so I'm not sure if I can survive PFUDOR without it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jul 22 2015, 19:05
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 22 2015, 18:52)  Yeah, I'll look into it, I have been wearing shielding plate for ~100 levels so I'm not sure if I can survive PFUDOR without it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) you're almost a dovahkiin and still worry about surviving at PFUDOR? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jul 22 2015, 19:38
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Darukunesu
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 22 2015, 19:05)  you're almost a dovahkiin and still worry about surviving at PFUDOR? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Well, I have only ~71%PMI and without shielding plate my block drops ~10% (PMI also drops a little) so... A bit (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jul 22 2015, 20:56
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 23 2015, 00:38)  Well, I have only ~71%PMI and without shielding plate my block drops ~10% (PMI also drops a little) so... A bit (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) just use power of prot or warding , they are much more cheaper than slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Jul 22 2015, 21:23
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hentai_fusion
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 23 2015, 01:38)  Well, I have only ~71%PMI and without shielding plate my block drops ~10% (PMI also drops a little) so... A bit (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) 71% PMI is a lot... you know. i only have 67% PMI and i am surviving PFUDOR just fine. just aim for 50% block and 40% parry and you should be fine. i only have 49% block and 43% parry and things are fine.
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Jul 22 2015, 21:30
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jul 22 2015, 21:23)  71% PMI is a lot... you know.
i only have 67% PMI and i am surviving PFUDOR just fine.
just aim for 50% block and 40% parry and you should be fine.
i only have 49% block and 43% parry and things are fine.
yup. 53 block, 44 parry, 67 pmi and i die only if i'm not careful enough (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) also, -10% block isn't a valid reason to lose 2k ADB or so - which should be around 30% of your pot This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jul 22 2015, 21:33
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Jul 22 2015, 21:50
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hentai_fusion
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the only time i died while playing 1H is when i forgot to heal after getting sparked.
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Jul 23 2015, 00:02
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 22 2015, 17:38)  Well, I have only ~71%PMI and without shielding plate my block drops ~10% (PMI also drops a little) so... A bit (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I ran with only 64% PMI and 43~% block from level 300-400, with full Power Slaughter. Additional defense wasn't necessary for PF; you'll probably find it true for you as well. 1h is just so tanky.
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Jul 23 2015, 01:15
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Darukunesu
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jul 22 2015, 21:23)  71% PMI is a lot... you know.
i only have 67% PMI and i am surviving PFUDOR just fine.
just aim for 50% block and 40% parry and you should be fine.
i only have 49% block and 43% parry and things are fine.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 22 2015, 21:30)  yup. 53 block, 44 parry, 67 pmi and i die only if i'm not careful enough (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) also, -10% block isn't a valid reason to lose 2k ADB or so - which should be around 30% of your pot QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 23 2015, 00:02)  I ran with only 64% PMI and 43~% block from level 300-400, with full Power Slaughter. Additional defense wasn't necessary for PF; you'll probably find it true for you as well. 1h is just so tanky.
I have only 32.5% parry, maybe that is my problem, or maybe my hp (14.5k) but when facing a bunch of high chaosed/PL mobs I have some problems to survive. Even with spark sometimes I'm dead before I can cure.
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Jul 23 2015, 01:23
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 22 2015, 23:15)  I have only 32.5% parry, maybe that is my problem, or maybe my hp (14.5k) but when facing a bunch of high chaosed/PL mobs I have some problems to survive. Even with spark sometimes I'm dead before I can cure. I think you should have around 15% parry from base Dex, +17% from Smax parry rapier (or less), and around 8-12% more from gear, more if you have good Dex stats, less if gear doesn't have Dex/3 PAB. It should be enough regardless. You are using a rapier, right? BTW, if you don't already, I recommend relying on Fullcure heavily - when you get to 35% or lower, whatever you feel comfortable with. It saves a lot of turns, and is safe for 1h. (You can still use Cure or health potion in emergencies if HP is low but Fullcure is still on CD) With 0-action-time items, there should be no problems staying alive for anyone (unless you forget to Cure or forget to use spirit potion quickly enough).
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Jul 23 2015, 08:39
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hentai_fusion
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 23 2015, 07:15)  I have only 32.5% parry, maybe that is my problem, or maybe my hp (14.5k) but when facing a bunch of high chaosed/PL mobs I have some problems to survive. Even with spark sometimes I'm dead before I can cure.
parry is just a nice to have in case block fails. the top priority is always block chance. i think your problem is your ADB. it may be too low. you take too much time to kill that monsters would have enough time to charge up a few MP and SP attacks. if you want better advice, post your stats and equipment links.
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Jul 23 2015, 09:45
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jul 23 2015, 13:39)  parry is just a nice to have in case block fails.
the top priority is always block chance.
i think your problem is your ADB. it may be too low.
you take too much time to kill that monsters would have enough time to charge up a few MP and SP attacks.
if you want better advice, post your stats and equipment links.
increasing ADB is very expensive (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Jul 23 2015, 23:38
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Darukunesu
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 23 2015, 01:23)  I think you should have around 15% parry from base Dex, +17% from Smax parry rapier (or less), and around 8-12% more from gear, more if you have good Dex stats, less if gear doesn't have Dex/3 PAB. It should be enough regardless. You are using a rapier, right?
BTW, if you don't already, I recommend relying on Fullcure heavily - when you get to 35% or lower, whatever you feel comfortable with. It saves a lot of turns, and is safe for 1h. (You can still use Cure or health potion in emergencies if HP is low but Fullcure is still on CD) With 0-action-time items, there should be no problems staying alive for anyone (unless you forget to Cure or forget to use spirit potion quickly enough).
Full cure is very expensive for me, I'm using it only when cure is on CD otherwise I run out of mana quickly. QUOTE(hentai_fusion @ Jul 23 2015, 08:39)  parry is just a nice to have in case block fails.
the top priority is always block chance.
i think your problem is your ADB. it may be too low.
you take too much time to kill that monsters would have enough time to charge up a few MP and SP attacks.
if you want better advice, post your stats and equipment links.
True, but I block most of the attacks fortunately. When I get decent power slaughter I'll check that. Unfortunately, new 0.82 power slaughter ADB seems to be way weaker than before. By the way, my current stats are attached if you wish to see them.  And my crappy set, my rapier has a useless suffix, so I have not bothered to soulbind/forge it (yeah, it's my best rapier drop so far (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ). RapierShieldHelmetArmorGauntletsGreavesSabatonsThis post has been edited by Darukunesu: Jul 24 2015, 00:31
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Jul 24 2015, 00:32
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dosetsu
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I'm no expert, but you could spend about 250k on 2 PAB power slaughter and significantly increase your damage, thus increasing your survival and speed. There are several shops with power of slaughter items for 50k a piece.
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